I Want My Booster Shot

[WHITT]

To the MTV theme (Dire Straits):

'I want my, I want my, I want my Booster Shot'

~

Look, we got vaccines out the wazoo. Biden said on Wed that we have plenty enough vaccines to give booster shots and meet our obligation to donate our SHARE of vaccines to the rest of the planet.

Fauci said we should see boosters for immunocompromised folks in a few weeks, and the FDA will supposedly take the Pfizer vaccine from EUA to approved by about Labor Day.

Come Sept, they should start providing age-relative, and original-date-relative boosters. Let's get on with it.

[Joinfortmill]

1. Me too

[Shanti Shanti Shanti]

2. Yep, Moderna came out yesterday saying its good at 93% for a full 6 months, i finished mine in March

So 6 months, is up after Sept...they say it falls to 84% after that. They are testing now for the best booster against variants.

Get the booster program going soon, I'm ready

[Silent3]

3. Even more than a booster of what we already have...

…I’d like a reformulated booster that targets new variants and better controls how infectious a person with break-through infection can be.

[Lisa0825]

4. I got vaccinated in January. I emailed my doc to ask about a booster. Nt

[NullTuples]

5. 99.9999% of us will do just fine without a booster. Meanwhile people are dying for a 1st dose.

Literally 0.0001 of us will end up in the hospital or die*. But a massive part of the world has not been able to get even a first dose because wealthy countries are hoarding their allocations just in case the deniers suddenly change their minds.

But guess what?

If there's an India-style event in one of those countries that can't get first doses now, it's nearly guaranteed that there will be a new, even worse variant emerging from it. Possibly even one that renders wealthy nations' first doses or boosters irrelevant. One that surpasses Delta and Lambda since it would've grown from them. We'll all be starting over from square one.

For the vast majority of us who are fully vaccinated, catching the latest means a couple of days of cold symptoms if that. And then guess what? We'll have antibodies against it for at least a few months.




*For the immune compromised who respond to them & similar cases, I fully support boosters.

[WHITT]

6. However

Literally 0.0001 of us will end up in the hospital or die*

That's just it. That's the CDC and administration threshold or standard, very small chance you will die or even be hospitalized, but that ain't my standard. Because I can still get seriously ill, and then develop a long-haul covid medical issue that could last years or the rest of my life, and that ain't 0.0001 odds.

I saw a 28 year-old who recovered but not only can she not run, if she walks up a flight of stairs, she's bent over trying to breathe.

[albacore]

11. What you said. Numbers don't mean shit to those few exceptions who die from this shit...vaccinated.

[WHITT]

17. I have No Idea

what you posted, what it's supposed to mean, or what the point, if any, was.

[albacore]

39. A low death rate is meaningless if you are one of the people who dies.

3 million Americans served in Vietnam. 57,000 died. That's a low death rate.
But.
If you were one of those killed, that death rate is not really important.
Your own particular death rate is 100%.

[WHITT]

44. Oh

OK

[appalachiablue]

43. +++

[LisaL]

25. That's just nonsense.

That 99.99% number (or whatever it is) was how many people did not die so far. It doesn't tell you anything about the future. Delta is leading to a lot more breakthrough infections than previous variants.

[Doremus]

38. Wait til you see what horrors future variants have in store.

Btw, these future variants, like Delta and Lambda, were born in offshore countries where the people haven't even gotten their first vax yet. It takes a month or two to jump to our shores and then we have to deal with other countries' lack of resources.

Their inability to vaccinate their populations impacts us directly. It's in our best interests to see to it that the world gets vaccinated post haste.

[NullTuples]

40. Exactly. For our own good we would do better investing the jabs in other countries

[LisaL]

41. We might have plenty of variants developing right here in the US, considering how high our infection

rates are.

[LisaL]

42. Our country is only 50% vaccinated.

No need to go offshore to produce the variants.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

7. How about being just a tiny bit less selfish and

campaign for others who currently have no access to a vaccine, to get their first shot.

Really, there is not good demonstrated need for a booster at this point.

[democrattotheend]

8. Agreed

Plus, for all the handwringing about people in the US who are unvaccinated enabling the virus to continue to mutate, isn't further mutation inevitable as long as vaccination rates are so low in other parts of the world? To the best of my knowledge, none of the new variants have actually mutated in the US - they have all come from other countries.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

9. Correct.

And it's only going to get a lot worse in certain other countries, such as India, many South American countries, as well as Africa. I also suspect that there's a lot more Covid happening in China than they are admitting to. For a week, maybe more, they apparently haven't done any additional testing, or at least they haven't reported any new testing in at least that period of time.

[luv2fly]

13. Absolutely

You're being nice. How about we be a LOT less selfish and see that the world as a whole is taken care of. A friend of mine in Japan and her husband have not been able to get their shots yet and both are in their 60s.

[WHITT]

15. According To The Administration

the amount we would use for boosters is miniscule contrasted to the billions of doses we will donate to the rest of the planet.

[WHITT]

14. No Demonstrated Need?

Both Pfizer and Moderna are saying 6 months. For those dosed in Jan, that was July. For those dosed in Feb, it's now. For those dosed in Mar, it's Sept.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

37. I so far haven't seen anything that is at all convincing that

booster shots are needed. Notice that from the very beginning the pharma companies have been saying everyone is going to need a booster shot. The apparent fall-off of effectiveness at six months is extremely small.

Meanwhile, billions of people have no access even to a first dose.

[WHITT]

45. Nope

The "fall-off of effectiveness" is NOT "small". Pfizer went from about 96% to about 83% in just in 6 months, and it continues.

[Raine]

18. Exactly, in some countries people haven't gotten even one. How about letting them get one

before people here get three!

[LisaL]

35. We are throwing out vaccines because they are expiring.

Because we have so many anti-vaxxers. Instead of throwing vaccines out, we could be giving them as boosters.
What does it have to do with letting some other countries to "get one?"

[KentuckyWoman]

10. I would rather ship out the shots to 3rd world

I cannot imagine what it is like for them regularly, let alone in a pandemic.

[WHITT]

16. We Already Are

With plans for billions of additional doses.

[Celerity]

21. COVAX is a large fail so far, surprised you did not know this

COVAX is failing to halt the COVID-19 pandemic: here’s why, and how to fix it

https://theconversation.com/covax-is-failing-to-halt-the-covid-19-pandemic-heres-why-and-how-to-fix-it-162146

[WHITT]

28. Why Would You Be Surprised?

I never mentioned Covax, I only referenced what the U.S. has already or will donate.

[Celerity]

29. Because it has been non stop global headline news. That aside, WHO is calling for a moratorium on

boosters by the rich nations until the poor nations get vaxxed up far more than they are now.


Should wealthy nations forgo boosters until COVID vaccination improves worldwide? WHO says yes

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2021-08-04/world-health-organization-covid-vaccine-booster-moratorium

From its earliest days, the coronavirus pandemic has fallen most heavily on the poor, whether entire impoverished nations ravaged by COVID-19 or a lone individual gasping for breath. In the latest emblem of the disease-driven divide between the wanting and the wealthy, the head of the World Health Organization on Wednesday urged mainly well-off, highly vaccinated nations to hold off for now on offering booster shots until all countries — including predominantly poorer ones now ablaze with the virus — can provide more of their people with initial shots.

The call for a hiatus in booster shots marks yet another hinge moment in a worldwide contagion that has killed more than 4.25 million people, including nearly 615,000 in the United States. Adding impetus to the dispute, and human tinder to the coronavirus conflagration, is the rapidly spreading Delta variant, with experts warning that further viral evolution is waiting in the wings.

WHO chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, speaking at a briefing by the U.N. health agency, proposed a booster moratorium be observed at least through September, with a goal of making sure that all nations first achieve vaccination of at least 10% of their population. “We cannot, and we should not, accept countries that have already used most of the global supply of vaccines using even more of it while the world’s most vulnerable people remain unprotected,” Tedros said from Geneva.

Some public health experts said both ethical imperatives and cold scientific calculation support the moratorium call, arguing that the longer the virus remains in circulation, and the larger the pool of ready targets across the globe, the more time, money and deaths it will cost to finally end the pandemic. The phenomenon of some countries moving toward booster shots while much of the world remains unvaccinated is at once “a moral outrage and a public health miscalculation,” said Jennifer Nuzzo, an epidemiologist with the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health. “No country will be safe from this continually mutating virus until all countries have gained access to vaccines.”

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[BumRushDaShow]

30. I posted in my WHO LBN thread about who I believe WHO was referencing

This is part of COVAX.

From here (issued Tuesday) - https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/08/03/fact-sheet-president-biden-announces-major-milestone-in-administrations-global-vaccination-efforts-more-than-100-million-u-s-covid-19-vaccine-doses-donated-and-shipped-abroad/

FACT SHEET: President Biden Announces Major Milestone in Administration’s Global Vaccination Efforts: More Than 100 Million U.S. COVID-⁠19 Vaccine Doses Donated and Shipped Abroad

August 03, 2021

• Statements and Releases

Building off of last week’s announcement of additional actions that we are taking to stop the spread of the Delta variant and get more people vaccinated in the United States, President Biden will give an update on another critical piece of his strategy to end the COVID-19 pandemic: stopping the spread of the virus abroad. As one part of our strategy to do that, the President has promised that the United States will be an arsenal of vaccines for the world and is acting with the same urgency to combat the virus abroad as here at home. Today, the President will announce that the U.S. has now donated and shipped more than 110 million doses of its COVID-19 vaccines to more than 60 countries – a major milestone that cements the United States as the global leader in COVID-19 vaccine donations. According to the United Nations, this is more than the donations of all other countries combined and reflects the generosity of the American spirit.

In June, the President committed to donate at least 80 million vaccines from the U.S. supply to countries throughout the world, and he promised to continue to share as we are able. Today’s announcement is a fulfillment of his promise and a significant down payment on hundreds of millions of more doses that the U.S. will deliver in the coming weeks. The United States has been able to share these doses because of the aggressive action the President took when he came into office to secure enough vaccines for all Americans. The majority of these vaccines – made in the United States – were shipped through COVAX. The United States has also worked in close partnership with key regional partners, including the African Union and the Caribbean Community (CARICOM).

These more than 110 million doses – that are already saving lives around the world – are just the beginning of the Administration’s efforts to provide vaccines to the world. Starting at the end of this month, the Administration will begin shipping a half a billion Pfizer doses that the United States has pledged to purchase and donate to 100 low- income countries in need.

Biden Administration’s Approach to Sharing U.S. Vaccines: Our goals are to increase global COVID-19 vaccination coverage, prepare for surges and prioritize healthcare workers and other vulnerable populations based on public health data and acknowledged best practice, and help our neighbors and other countries in need. Importantly, the United States has not and will not use its vaccines to secure favors from other countries. Our aim is to save lives.

The Administration looks at a variety of factors, including COVID-19 case rates, death rates, and hospitalizations; current vaccination rates; responses to surges; and a country’s ability to receive vaccines and put shots into arms.

We will continue to work with COVAX, regional partners such as the African Union and CARICOM, and other partners to ensure these vaccines are delivered in a way that is equitable and follows the science and public health data. This is a unique moment in history, and it requires American leadership, science and ingenuity, perseverance, and we are demonstrating that we can deliver results for people around the world.

To date, the U.S. has donated COVID-19 vaccines as follows:

Afghanistan 3,300,000 | Malaysia 1,000,000
Argentina 3,500,000 | Mali 151,000
Bangladesh 5,500,000 | Mauritania 302,000
Benin 302,000 | Mexico 4,049,000
Bhutan 500,000 | Moldova 301,000
Bolivia 1,008,000 | Morocco 302,000
Brazil 3,000,000 | Mozambique 302,000
Burkina Faso 302,000 | Nepal 1,534,000
Cambodia 1,058,000 | Niger 316,000
Cameroon 303,000 | Nigeria 4,000,000
Canada 2,500,000 | Pakistan 5,500,000
CAR 302,000 | Panama 503,000
Colombia 6,000,000 | Paraguay 2,000,000
Costa Rica 500,000 | Peru 2,000,000
Djibouti 151,000 | Philippines 6,239,000
Ecuador 2,000,000 | PNG 302,000
El Salvador 3,000,000 | ROK 1,012,000
Eswatini 302,000 | Senegal 302,000
Ethiopia 1,664,000 | Somalia 302,000
Fiji 150,000 | South Africa 5,660,000
Gambia 302,000 | Sri Lanka 1,500,000
Georgia 503,000 | Sudan 604,000
Guatemala 4,500,000 | Taiwan 2,500,000
Guinea Bissau 302,000 | Tajikistan 1,500,000
Haiti 500,000 | Tanzania 1,058,000
Honduras 3,000,000 | Thailand 1,500,000
Indonesia 8,000,000 | Tunisia 1,000,000
Jordan 503,000 | Ukraine 2,000,000
Laos 1,000,000 | Uruguay 500,000
Lesotho 302,000 | Uzbekistan 3,000,000
Liberia 302,000 | Vietnam 5,000,000
Madagascar 302,000 | Zambia 302,000
Malawi 302,000 | Total 111,701,000

###

COVID-19 Pandemic
US Has Shipped 110 Million COVID-19 Vaccine Doses to 65 Countries

By Steve Herman
August 03, 2021 09:57 PM


WHITE HOUSE - Calling it a major milestone, U.S. President Joe Biden announced on Tuesday that the country has shipped more than 110 million doses of coronavirus vaccine to 65 nations that are among the hardest hit in the world.

"This is more than the donations of all 24 countries that donate any vaccine to other countries, including China and Russia," Biden said during remarks in the White House East Room. The president emphasized that Washington is making no demands for its donations of doses. "And there's no favoritism and no strings attached. We're doing this to save lives to end this pandemic," Biden said.

In response to a question from VOA on whether other high-income countries should follow the lead of the United States, the president replied: "I think those countries that have been able to cover their population and have the ability to provide either dollars and/or vaccines for the 100 or so net-poor nations that need help should do so."

Biden added that some Group of 7 countries, which made such pledges at their recent summit in England, have followed through. "We've kept the commitment that we would do what we said, which is more than all the rest of the countries combined this far," the president noted.

https://www.voanews.com/covid-19-pandemic/us-has-shipped-110-million-covid-19-vaccine-doses-65-countries

I think that one of the issues not really being brought up (but should be) regarding some of the more "impoverished" countries and the mRNA vaccines, is the inconvenient storage requirements, which limits product shipments to only the largest cities in those countries that might have the required ultra-low freezers, and then have some framework within the country to work out the logistics to get the vaccine to the smaller cities, towns, villages, and rural areas and schedule mass-vaccinations within the viability range for the vaccine at thawed refrigerator temps (that time frame having been expanded recently based on more stability data being obtained).

Far too much of the talking points about "well just ship vaccines to those countries" just misses all sorts of hurdles that also must be worked out so you don't have vaccine sitting on a plane in special cold storage units that have no place to offload that can handle them until they are further distributed.

Just as I have been ranting and raving about health officials calling COVID-19 "novel" yet completely ignoring that it really is by treating it like some every day virus, so too are the same officials calling the vaccines "novel" yet completely ignoring the special requirements for them to be held and remain viable until distribution and use.

The abject stupidity is breathtaking.

[WHITT]

31. Still Don't Get How It's Relative

I never mentioned Covax, only direct donations, so why would it matter that it was all over the news???

I'm afraid you're barking up the wrong tree.

[Celerity]

32. COVAX is the programme that the US and the other rich nations are using to try and get the 3rd world

vaxxed up

You mentioned about the US donating vaccines, and that billions more would come. I was replying about that.

[WHITT]

34. No

I'm well aware what Covax is, but I'm not sure you are.

I was simply referencing DIRECT donations. You are referencing what the U.S. is ALSO donating to Covax, which then provides vaccines to other countries according to their own criteria.

Hope that helps to clarify how they are completely separate.

[Celerity]

36. US-donated vaccine deliveries through COVAX set to begin, with first shipment to Honduras

https://www.gavi.org/news/media-room/us-donated-vaccine-deliveries-through-covax-set-begin-first-shipment-honduras

US-donated vaccine deliveries through COVAX set to begin, with first shipment to Honduras

Deliveries of US-donated doses through COVAX to begin today

Anticipated delivery of the Moderna vaccine to Honduras comes after announcements by President Biden of significant dose-sharing pledges; further deliveries to follow in coming days and weeks

José Manuel Barroso, Chair, Gavi Board – “We thank President Biden and his Administration, as well as other nations that have shared doses with COVAX, and call on other governments to work with us to get vaccines to countries as soon as possible.”

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FACT SHEET: President Biden Announces Major Milestone in Administration’s Global Vaccination Efforts: More Than 100 Million U.S. COVID-⁠19 Vaccine Doses Donated and Shipped Abroad
AUGUST 03, 2021
STATEMENTS AND RELEASES

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/08/03/fact-sheet-president-biden-announces-major-milestone-in-administrations-global-vaccination-efforts-more-than-100-million-u-s-covid-19-vaccine-doses-donated-and-shipped-abroad/

Building off of last week’s announcement of additional actions that we are taking to stop the spread of the Delta variant and get more people vaccinated in the United States, President Biden will give an update on another critical piece of his strategy to end the COVID-19 pandemic: stopping the spread of the virus abroad. As one part of our strategy to do that, the President has promised that the United States will be an arsenal of vaccines for the world and is acting with the same urgency to combat the virus abroad as here at home. Today, the President will announce that the U.S. has now donated and shipped more than 110 million doses of its COVID-19 vaccines to more than 60 countries – a major milestone that cements the United States as the global leader in COVID-19 vaccine donations. According to the United Nations, this is more than the donations of all other countries combined and reflects the generosity of the American spirit.

In June, the President committed to donate at least 80 million vaccines from the U.S. supply to countries throughout the world, and he promised to continue to share as we are able. Today’s announcement is a fulfillment of his promise and a significant down payment on hundreds of millions of more doses that the U.S. will deliver in the coming weeks. The United States has been able to share these doses because of the aggressive action the President took when he came into office to secure enough vaccines for all Americans. The majority of these vaccines – made in the United States – were shipped through COVAX. The United States has also worked in close partnership with key regional partners, including the African Union and the Caribbean Community (CARICOM).

[WHITT]

46. OK

I feel sorry for that dead horse you continue to beat.

[Celerity]

48. you are the one who took it into weeds, I was simply making a germane point to your positings

as I already explained

cheers

[WHITT]

51. Nope

Never mentioned Covax, never posted the word 'Covax', never referenced Covax, directly or indirectly. I can't help it you don't seem to grasp the difference.

[LisaL]

24. Considering how bad our infection numbers are right now,

I don't think it's wise to ship out doses.

[Silent3]

27. If I trusted that a booster I turned down would actually make it to someone else...

...who needs their first shot, I'd gladly turn down a booster.

But I'm pretty sure that if we don't take booster shots here in the US, more doses of vaccine will simply expire, being wasted and helping no one.

[LisaL]

33. Exactly.

States are throwing out vaccines because they are expiring, since we have so many anti-vaxxers refusing to get vaccinated.
Meanwhile we could be giving out boosters to those who want it.

[GulfCoast66]

12. While a new very deadly variant my start here with 35% unvaccinated it's not likely

At least not as Likely as it evolve in countries with high population density and no vaccines yet. Delta started in India. Lambda which we don’t know anything about yet did not start here either.

If science shows we need a booster then by all means get it out.

Until then we need to work to get the world vaccinated. And the rest of America who will do it. At least vaccinations are going up fast now.

[ZonkerHarris]

19. i want a "bunny suit."

[JoanofArgh]

20. WaPo article said FDA would approve

boosters for seniors by October if the data indicated they needed to. Whatever that means.

[634-5789]

22. Wait....

So, does this mean that we get a booster in September...then, because the GQP MAGAT morons that still refuse vaccinations keep the variants coming, we will have to keep getting shots for...for...forever? An why the fuck won't the Gov't demand full vaccinations to stop this tomfoolery? This is the stupidest thing that the 'MuriKKKans have ever done in my 70 years. Seriously, WTF?

[LisaL]

26. You get flu vaccine every year.

We were told from the start we likely will need boosters for covid.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

23. I'm hoping to get a booster in October

Six months after my second shot, and I can get a two-fer: Covid and flu vaccine. That should cause a hella reaction.

[BannonsLiver]

47. I'm torn

I thought about getting a third shot now to avoid what will likely be a painfully long wait for the official booster, whenever that may come, but at the same time if they’re developing a booster specific to delta and the others, then it’s possible it might be best to wait.

[LisaL]

49. It's going to be a pretty long wait to delta specific boosters.

The third dose of the same vaccine should do the trick as far as I am concerned, since it's increases antibody levels.

[BannonsLiver]

50. Yeah, that makes sense, Lisa.

Was thinking the same about the delta booster.