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Bernie Sanders takes a shot at the Democratic Party (again): (Original Post) George II Aug 2021 OP
Sanders is not a democrat SoonerPride Aug 2021 #1
And that's the point, he's not a member of the Democratic Party. OnDoutside Aug 2021 #8
And yet he votes with Democrats n/t malaise Aug 2021 #57
he just needs to STFU. He isn't even a Democrat. Trueblue1968 Aug 2021 #79
Exactly.. he said at one point he'd be Cha Aug 2021 #127
But he has to be TREATED like one in certain circles making FRANK discussion of him rather difficult Eliot Rosewater Aug 2021 #129
He pisses me off so I just am not allowed to specifically state why. The Democratic VOTER made the LizBeth Aug 2021 #2
Righteous rant, brava! Not to mention that a large % of his net worth is invested in Wall Street.... George II Aug 2021 #84
Thank you for posting this LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2021 #98
I hear ya loud and clear! Thank Cha Aug 2021 #110
She did not lose. What we need is a Cyber Ninja audit. dalton99a Aug 2021 #3
I was hoping I'd see that red dripping smilie!!!! George II Aug 2021 #6
Go away Bernie. We don't need anyone who implies our POTUS boston bean Aug 2021 #4
She didn't just imply it, and she didn't say it just once, either. George II Aug 2021 #15
Yeah, you'd think he would have Cha Aug 2021 #83
Or in column B, a walking ad machine for the GOP. It's not a hard choice. OnDoutside Aug 2021 #5
Terrible candidate, Bernie BeyondGeography Aug 2021 #7
Nina Turner is many times her own worst enemy. Piratedog Aug 2021 #9
yes, the bowl of shit comment, and then the idiot Killer Mike dragging Clyburn into it were doom for Celerity Aug 2021 #19
Then again, maybe it was her message...? NM Grins Aug 2021 #10
Who? sheshe2 Aug 2021 #11
Lol, "again" feels like an understatement. Nt BootinUp Aug 2021 #12
There is a parody account on Twitter that cracks me up. JoanofArgh Aug 2021 #13
I've seen that. Some are funny. George II Aug 2021 #14
I'm still waiting for Nina Turner and Sanders to congratulate Shontel Brown. Haven't seen that yet. George II Aug 2021 #16
I am waiting for Sanders and for Turner to just go away, form their own party question everything Aug 2021 #75
Turner and her combined forced spent far more than Brown and hers. W_HAMILTON Aug 2021 #17
☝️Blaming it on money, sounds like a compulsive gambler, excusing his losses Walleye Aug 2021 #33
No, Bernie... it was because she compared Biden to a BOWL OF SHIT and refused to support him. NurseJackie Aug 2021 #18
Don't Forget The Stupid Comment Me. Aug 2021 #40
Which one? There were so many. NurseJackie Aug 2021 #42
About REp. Clyburn Me. Aug 2021 #45
Yes. It was awful. NurseJackie Aug 2021 #46
Actually that's the stupid "stupid" comment as opposed to the stupid "bowl of sh**" comment. lapucelle Aug 2021 #77
Exactly Me. Aug 2021 #86
So tired of the money argument. It was rigged!!!! JoanofArgh Aug 2021 #47
Yes, it does. NurseJackie Aug 2021 #48
Totally! Cha Aug 2021 #50
Exactly dflprincess Aug 2021 #85
he never misses an opportunity stillcool Aug 2021 #20
Sigh wryter2000 Aug 2021 #21
:) I believe it not-so-secretly IS the kind of Democratic Party he wants -- Hortensis Aug 2021 #22
+1 leftstreet Aug 2021 #26
+1 betsuni Aug 2021 #36
One of the affiliated groups founded by sanders supporters is trying to remake the Democratic Party LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2021 #99
Good info about "Just Us" hostiles. No way COULD this pissant fringe group Hortensis Aug 2021 #101
Funny he didn't mention Nina's Erdogan lobbyist donations mcar Aug 2021 #23
Bernie 'Every candidate must be perfect' Sanders. GoneOffShore Aug 2021 #24
Omg.. he sounds like Turner.. Get Over Cha Aug 2021 #25
What good purpose does it serve to insult Democrats like that? NurseJackie Aug 2021 #38
It does NO good purpose.. only Cha Aug 2021 #43
Cornel West is on a bash Dems, the election was rigged tour... Kahuna Aug 2021 #58
Poor Cornel.. such a Bitter Loser.. I can't Cha Aug 2021 #70
what a jackass he is Chili Aug 2021 #96
President Biden has class mcar Aug 2021 #69
Right.. so much Sour Grapes.. showing Cha Aug 2021 #71
Nina Turner outspent Shontel Brown 2 to 1... SidDithers Aug 2021 #27
88% of that money came from out of state, 25% from California. George II Aug 2021 #28
+1, numbers gave a liberal bias !!!/sarc uponit7771 Aug 2021 #31
Incredibly myopic Happy Hoosier Aug 2021 #29
Jesus. ismnotwasm Aug 2021 #30
BS is NOT Helping the Democratic House Cha Aug 2021 #32
That's because he wants it remade in his image. nt Kahuna Aug 2021 #61
Too bad he's going about Cha Aug 2021 #62
Favorite comment: "You know voters in Ohio can see this, right?" betsuni Aug 2021 #34
Excellent.. TY! Yeah the voters in Ohio Cha Aug 2021 #37
Like a dog barking up the wrong tree. For decades. betsuni Aug 2021 #41
+1!!!! Cha Aug 2021 #44
I'm happy to see so many comments critical of the tweet. betsuni Aug 2021 #73
Mahalo for letting us Know! The 1st one I Cha Aug 2021 #74
Wish this tweet had more extensive press coverage. betsuni Aug 2021 #92
Yes.. I agree how Important it is to Cha Aug 2021 #102
Or maybe the voters of the district didn't want her representing them StarfishSaver Aug 2021 #35
Hmmm. You know, I think you're right! NurseJackie Aug 2021 #39
Inconceivable! betsuni Aug 2021 #88
Damn straight I didn't Chili Aug 2021 #97
Whoever keeps resetting the 15 minute clock 48656c6c6f20 Aug 2021 #49
What are you talking about? Cha Aug 2021 #51
Never mind.. TY! Cha Aug 2021 #54
I am glad that a real Democrat won and not someone sponsored by the Justice Democrats LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2021 #52
With all the complaints about "outside money" behind Shontel Brown, there is little mention of.... George II Aug 2021 #53
Rt TY.. kinda what I said Yesterday.. Cha Aug 2021 #55
They said Hillary had a problem accepting responsibility for her loss. BlueLucy Aug 2021 #56
Yeah, "they" said it.. Hillary knows Cha Aug 2021 #60
Hillary showed a lot of dignity and restraint MustLoveBeagles Aug 2021 #89
Yes, she did.. but that's who she is! Cha Aug 2021 #103
SMH. He's just lashing out because his endorsements haven't yielded much, in the real world. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2021 #59
Precisely, Tarhee! Cha Aug 2021 #66
For all his many years in elective politics, BS still hasn't learned how to pick his battles. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2021 #67
zzzzzzzzzzzz Skittles Aug 2021 #63
Just go away Bernie. redstatebluegirl Aug 2021 #64
What a sad petulant man. tritsofme Aug 2021 #65
At least publicly, Turner hasn't done so, either. George II Aug 2021 #68
Apparently impossible. Cha Aug 2021 #72
Did Nina get help from Justice Democrats? lapucelle Aug 2021 #76
The jury is still out because Justice Democrats haven't filed yet, but estimates are $1M George II Aug 2021 #78
Don't forget the giant magaphone Justice Dems and their cohorts have, including The Middle Aged Turk lapucelle Aug 2021 #81
Will they report that as "in-kind" contributions? George II Aug 2021 #82
We know she did! Lo and behold! Cha Aug 2021 #80
The same Charles Dunlop who gave big $$$ to Putin's pal Dana Rhorbacher?? Budi Aug 2021 #87
Justice Dems have a pac funded by a billionaire big pharma mogul who also props up Rohrbacher? lapucelle Aug 2021 #94
Justice Dems don't have to disclose it all since ..wait for it... Budi Aug 2021 #95
So some of these candidates are taking super pac (SPAC) money and/or help, but lapucelle Aug 2021 #105
Am glad for the watchdog groups too. Factchecking, providing receipts.. Budi Aug 2021 #106
Bernie this isn't helpful MustLoveBeagles Aug 2021 #90
Sour grapes much Mr. Sanders? Maru Kitteh Aug 2021 #91
I think we'll be OK. SYFROYH Aug 2021 #93
Shontle Brown is Fine in spite of BS' Cha Aug 2021 #100
During dangerous times, Dems need to jettison shit stirring mavericks. oasis Aug 2021 #104
No Bernie, it had to do with the majority in her district wanted Shantel Brown. These excuses JohnSJ Aug 2021 #107
They just call their money "grassroots" and it's magically purified. betsuni Aug 2021 #112
For Turner, 88% of that "grassroots" money came from outside Ohio! Only 52% of Brown's came from... George II Aug 2021 #114
Wow. That grass has some pretty damn long roots. betsuni Aug 2021 #120
so do weeds JohnSJ Aug 2021 #123
+++ JohnSJ Aug 2021 #122
UGH, this is their only way of building a "brand"! The inanity of it all is sad enough, but Nixie Aug 2021 #108
+1 betsuni Aug 2021 #111
Nailed it my dear. sheshe2 Aug 2021 #116
I'm keeping this Kicked.. to remind us Cha Aug 2021 #109
Now that the numbers are coming in (thanks to Ballotpedia) it's turning out that all the talk.... George II Aug 2021 #113
TY for the UPDATE! Receipts are Cha Aug 2021 #121
It's important. betsuni Aug 2021 #117
It is so Important.. Thank You! Cha Aug 2021 #124
I can't believe we're still hearing "The corrupt establishment will stop at nothing to defeat us" betsuni Aug 2021 #125
Thank you for mentioning People's Lives Cha Aug 2021 #126
Wish I could say how I REALLY about Bernie liberaltrucker Aug 2021 #115
Yeah, so do many of us... Cha Aug 2021 #128
Actually this is a pretty weak response after yet another surrogate defeat. grantcart Aug 2021 #118
Awww bless his heart..upset because his precious Nina did not win. helpisontheway Aug 2021 #119
I sent money to Shontel. I'm not wallstreet BlueLucy Aug 2021 #130

Trueblue1968

(17,193 posts)
79. he just needs to STFU. He isn't even a Democrat.
Sat Aug 7, 2021, 09:26 PM
Aug 2021

I am soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo tired of Bernie yapping.

Yelling bad stuff at Dems. I am sick of his mouthing off about us.
If he dislikes us so much, he just should join another party.

Cha

(296,800 posts)
127. Exactly.. he said at one point he'd be
Mon Aug 9, 2021, 09:19 PM
Aug 2021

a "..hypocrite to join the Dem party.."

Except of course when he did.

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
2. He pisses me off so I just am not allowed to specifically state why. The Democratic VOTER made the
Sat Aug 7, 2021, 02:24 PM
Aug 2021

choice. We are NOT all sheep following his supposed "drug companies, Wall Street and the fossil fuel industry" influence. We do BNOT want ghim and we do n0ot want Turner but his ego won't allow that. Sanders is DISSING us, the voter. Literally calling us sheep, dumbshits. Who the F is he anyway but someone who keeps losing nad only has his position because the Democrats allowed him to run with no valid opponents. The arrogance. Dissing me, I think not.

George II

(67,782 posts)
84. Righteous rant, brava! Not to mention that a large % of his net worth is invested in Wall Street....
Sat Aug 7, 2021, 09:45 PM
Aug 2021

....and he was the top recipient from "Pharmaceuticals / Health Products" in the Senate in the 2020 cycle:



Cha

(296,800 posts)
83. Yeah, you'd think he would have
Sat Aug 7, 2021, 09:38 PM
Aug 2021

a clue about that.. Ohioans in District 11 didn't buy what NT was selling.

They like Hillary, Pres Biden, and new Rep Shontle Brown!

Celerity

(43,083 posts)
19. yes, the bowl of shit comment, and then the idiot Killer Mike dragging Clyburn into it were doom for
Sat Aug 7, 2021, 03:08 PM
Aug 2021

her. She is far too toxic.

JoanofArgh

(14,971 posts)
13. There is a parody account on Twitter that cracks me up.
Sat Aug 7, 2021, 02:54 PM
Aug 2021

The account isn't a parody of Bernie but of his fans called Richard Whiteman


?s=20

George II

(67,782 posts)
16. I'm still waiting for Nina Turner and Sanders to congratulate Shontel Brown. Haven't seen that yet.
Sat Aug 7, 2021, 03:00 PM
Aug 2021

If anyone has, could you post it? Thanks!

question everything

(47,431 posts)
75. I am waiting for Sanders and for Turner to just go away, form their own party
Sat Aug 7, 2021, 08:53 PM
Aug 2021

Funny that Sanders does not like "Wall Street" yet publishes and op-ed in the WSJ

Bernie Sanders: Why We Need the $3.5 Trillion Reconciliation Package

https://www.wsj.com/articles/infrastructure-trillion-reconciliation-bernie-sanders-biden-american-jobs-plan-ajp-11628023540

W_HAMILTON

(7,835 posts)
17. Turner and her combined forced spent far more than Brown and hers.
Sat Aug 7, 2021, 03:00 PM
Aug 2021

This segment of the progressives need to stop blaming their many problems on """evil money."""

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
18. No, Bernie... it was because she compared Biden to a BOWL OF SHIT and refused to support him.
Sat Aug 7, 2021, 03:04 PM
Aug 2021

It was also because she refused to support Hillary against Trump, and because she supported Jill Fucking Stein instead.

Well, maybe it had something to do with drug companies, Wall Street and the fossil fuel industry spending millions trying to defeat her.


Oh, Bernie.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
46. Yes. It was awful.
Sat Aug 7, 2021, 05:57 PM
Aug 2021

And all her nasty comments about "out of state" people endorsing Brown... when she, herself, had plenty of "out of state" endorsements. She was being ridiculous. It was a sign of desperation... she knew she had lost.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
86. Exactly
Sat Aug 7, 2021, 10:07 PM
Aug 2021

so many stupid comments. Notice how they're losing their grip over their preferred audience? Just like with tfg is with his crowd. There's been a bounty of stupids out there. But it ain't us, PJB. Rep Clyburn, Nancy P. or Shontel.


dflprincess

(28,072 posts)
85. Exactly
Sat Aug 7, 2021, 09:49 PM
Aug 2021

On most issues i'm more in line with Bernie & AOC but, if I lived in this district, I would have voted for Shontel Brown. Turner is nothing but bad news & would have wound up as pain in the neck to both moderate and progressive Democrats.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
22. :) I believe it not-so-secretly IS the kind of Democratic Party he wants --
Sat Aug 7, 2021, 03:20 PM
Aug 2021

because he needs it to be true. His self image and entire political existence, by his own statements over 6 decades, have been based on the conviction of his own superior righteousness and understanding and that Democrats are at best merely corrupt Republican lites.

Yet he's served for 30 years as an almost always dependable +1 vote for his Democratic colleagues' "corruption" (though that's not to be mistaken for approval .) His most important job these days isn't budget chair but to remain influential with those who believed his previous campaign messages about Democrats so deeply that they may vote against us again. So, offensive as this standard Sandersism may be to some, it's basically him doing his job. For all.

After all, the possibility of a fascist takeover, terrifyingly advanced by the dreadful losses of 2016, endangers the entire left, not just Democrats. Whatever he once hoped, we all know "our revolution" would not be left wing.

leftstreet

(36,097 posts)
26. +1
Sat Aug 7, 2021, 03:26 PM
Aug 2021

It's with great sadness that I say, you nailed it

I agree with so much of what he says, but I long ago stopped wondering why he didn't mount a campaign, and build a movement, as an Independent - if he truly was one

sigh

LetMyPeopleVote

(144,917 posts)
99. One of the affiliated groups founded by sanders supporters is trying to remake the Democratic Party
Sun Aug 8, 2021, 02:35 PM
Aug 2021

Last edited Tue Oct 10, 2023, 12:30 PM - Edit history (1)

I have been following the Justice Democrats and its predecessor for a while including the "brand new congress group" and other groups created by Cenk, Kyle Kulinksi and their ilk. I am on the Justice Democrat email list and I have even listened once or twice to the Justice Democrat podcast which is amusingly called "Just Us" democrats. The Justice Democrats emails are fun to laugh at and I love the hatred this group shows to the Democratic Party, establishment Democrats and best of all corporate democrats. The posts attacking the DCCC for raising money to elect real Democrats are really amusing.

I have been following number of posters on twitter who dislike the Justice Democrats including the poster in question. There are a large number posters on twitter who have issues with the concept of the Justice Democrat group wanting to take over the Democratic party and remake into their image. It seems that this poster is a regular democrat who does not want the Democratic Party to be taken over by the Justice Democrat group.

This poster is not the only person who has issues with the concept that the Justice Democrats want to take over the Democratic Party



Again the above posts are consistent with the hatred of the Democratic Party that I see on the almost daily emails that I get from the Justice Democrats.

If you want to learn more about the Justice Democrats just enter "Just Us Democrats" in the search function of twitter.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
101. Good info about "Just Us" hostiles. No way COULD this pissant fringe group
Sun Aug 8, 2021, 03:01 PM
Aug 2021

take over the giant Democratic Party, though. Democrats are real people. If 100 million real people wanted to abandon what they believe should be done to join an extremist group and stab each other in the back they would.

But vaulting ambition sounds so much better than just promising to sabotage Democratic caucuses and elections. And that they've proven they can do, whether they align as naderites to help defeat Democrats (and elect Bush II), sandersistas to defeat Democrats (and elect Trump/Repubs), or whoever they'll align with and lie for to try to splinter away support from Democrats in 2024.

Speaking of 2024, and 2022, these groups becoming better known, mostly courtesy of puffing up by RW and MSM, is a double-edged sword for bad actors who depend on deceit. As we saw when Senator Sanders ran a second time and lost a lot of his former Democratic primary support. Only Democratic voters can nominate our candidate. Sanders would have done better to dissociate himself from the anti-Democratic attack dogs who helped throw the nation under the Republican bus in 2016.

mcar

(42,278 posts)
23. Funny he didn't mention Nina's Erdogan lobbyist donations
Sat Aug 7, 2021, 03:20 PM
Aug 2021

Maybe Sen. Sanders ought to be paying more attention to his leadership role.

GoneOffShore

(17,336 posts)
24. Bernie 'Every candidate must be perfect' Sanders.
Sat Aug 7, 2021, 03:25 PM
Aug 2021

I really like what he did by moving part of the Democratic party further to the left and giving progressives more of a voice.

But, but, it's time for him to help all Democrats. Not just his picks.

Cha

(296,800 posts)
25. Omg.. he sounds like Turner.. Get Over
Sat Aug 7, 2021, 03:26 PM
Aug 2021

it, Sanders.. Shontel Brown and The Democratic Party WON Ohio District 11.

The Local Clergy, theCBC and Rep James Clyburn's Endorsement helped immeasurably..

And, President Biden gave her a Congratulatory Call!




The Cleveland Plain Dealer and those who went to Ohio to endorse Turner like you, AOC, Killer Mike.. lost.. can you Not be graceful about it?!

Turner had more money than Shontel Brown and still LOST.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
38. What good purpose does it serve to insult Democrats like that?
Sat Aug 7, 2021, 05:23 PM
Aug 2021

Okay, so he's disappointed that Nina "Biden-is-like-a-Bowl-of-Shit" Turner didn't win... why is he lashing out at Democrats?

Cha

(296,800 posts)
43. It does NO good purpose.. only
Sat Aug 7, 2021, 05:42 PM
Aug 2021

hurts to lash out at the Winners.. The Local Dem Party in Ohio.

Who I imagine don't appreciate Sanders insulting them as an excuse why his endorsement of NT lost.

Chili

(1,725 posts)
96. what a jackass he is
Sun Aug 8, 2021, 11:54 AM
Aug 2021

Ohio has no-reason absentee balloting, has for at least 15 years. Candidates routinely send absentee ballot application requests to constituents for them to mail or deliver to the BOE so that they can get a ballot app in the mail. An absentee application request CAME FROM THE TURNER CAMPAIGN in the freakin' mail. What lying sh*ts they are. And I didn't even use it. Requesting an absentee ballot is easy on the Cuyahoga County website - 1-2-3 and you get the app in the mail in less than a week. WTF. They are such disengenuous liars.

mcar

(42,278 posts)
69. President Biden has class
Sat Aug 7, 2021, 07:03 PM
Aug 2021

Has Turner or Sanders congratulated her or is it just so much sour grapes?

Cha

(296,800 posts)
71. Right.. so much Sour Grapes.. showing
Sat Aug 7, 2021, 07:15 PM
Aug 2021

off Why Turner LOST!

TY and I'm sure we would have heard about it if any of those Turner endorsers had Congratulated, the Winner in Ohio, Shontel Brown!

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
27. Nina Turner outspent Shontel Brown 2 to 1...
Sat Aug 7, 2021, 03:28 PM
Aug 2021

So spare us the fiction that Brown bought the election, Bernie.

Sid

Happy Hoosier

(7,215 posts)
29. Incredibly myopic
Sat Aug 7, 2021, 03:34 PM
Aug 2021

Apparently he is unable to imagine that being a jerk turns people off. Not surprising, I guess, as the same problem plagued his Presidential runs.

Cha

(296,800 posts)
32. BS is NOT Helping the Democratic House
Sat Aug 7, 2021, 03:50 PM
Aug 2021

hold on to its Majority this year with Smears like this.

Thank Goodness for our Democratic Party with Joe Biden as President!!

betsuni

(25,376 posts)
34. Favorite comment: "You know voters in Ohio can see this, right?"
Sat Aug 7, 2021, 04:30 PM
Aug 2021

And Shontel Brown can see this.

Again with the same old conspiracy theories. What the hell is the point?

Cha

(296,800 posts)
37. Excellent.. TY! Yeah the voters in Ohio
Sat Aug 7, 2021, 05:06 PM
Aug 2021

and Shontel can see this & so can We!

Shine the Light!

betsuni

(25,376 posts)
73. I'm happy to see so many comments critical of the tweet.
Sat Aug 7, 2021, 07:22 PM
Aug 2021

People aren't putting up with anti-Democratic nonsense in that thread, the empty repetition of insults, buzzwords, baseless accusations. It doesn't work anymore.

I learned something new. Bernie claimed "irregularities" in his very first election. Nothing new.

betsuni

(25,376 posts)
92. Wish this tweet had more extensive press coverage.
Sun Aug 8, 2021, 06:37 AM
Aug 2021

It's important. Calling the Democratic Party corrupt doesn't help elect more Democrats.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
39. Hmmm. You know, I think you're right!
Sat Aug 7, 2021, 05:25 PM
Aug 2021

There's simply NO reason for him to be lashing out at Democrats like that. Sure he's disappointed... but for Pete's sake... that's really no way to behave.

betsuni

(25,376 posts)
88. Inconceivable!
Sun Aug 8, 2021, 01:01 AM
Aug 2021

There's no legitimate reason for a Bernie Sanders-endorsed candidate loss to a Democrat, it's corruption. The immoral establishment convincing The People to vote against their own self-interest, or rigging, or the evil supernatural powers of certain types of money. "They" (long enemies list) will stop at nothing to defeat "Us."

Ridiculous.

LetMyPeopleVote

(144,917 posts)
52. I am glad that a real Democrat won and not someone sponsored by the Justice Democrats
Sat Aug 7, 2021, 06:22 PM
Aug 2021

I am on the Justice Democrats email list and this group really hates the mainstream Democratic Party. I am glad that Tina lost.

Maybe Tina should have done a town hall with Cenk and that mike guy


George II

(67,782 posts)
53. With all the complaints about "outside money" behind Shontel Brown, there is little mention of....
Sat Aug 7, 2021, 06:28 PM
Aug 2021

....how much Justice Democrats spent on behalf of Turner or against Brown. If the campaign against Eliot Engel is any indication, it's a LOT. They spent $920,000 in that primary last year - $620,000 for Bowman and $300,000 bashing Engel.

Inasmuch as this is a single primary and it had national interest, no doubt they spent as much if not more in this campaign.

And Justice Democrats is just one group pouring money into the campaign - Sunrise Movement is now a Super PAC and supported Turner, too, as was National Nurses United, People's Party, Our Revolution, and a few others.

I don't know how Sanders knows how much has been spent, the final numbers aren't in yet and the Super PAC numbers will be lagging the candidates' FEC filings. We won't know for several weeks or maybe months.

What we DO know is that as of July 14 (3 weeks before the primary) Nina Turner spent $3,867,458.80 and Brown $1,749,496.38. That's $2,117,962.42 MORE than Brown spent.

It should also be noted that of Turner's itemized contributions, 88% came from outside Ohio, and only 4% from within OH-11. On the other hand, for Brown only 52% came from outside Ohio and 39% from within OH-11.

That's quite an indication, by the numbers, of the overwhelming support Brown got from within her district compared to Turner.

BlueLucy

(1,609 posts)
56. They said Hillary had a problem accepting responsibility for her loss.
Sat Aug 7, 2021, 06:42 PM
Aug 2021

Who else does a lot of projecting?

Cha

(296,800 posts)
60. Yeah, "they" said it.. Hillary knows
Sat Aug 7, 2021, 06:49 PM
Aug 2021

exactly why she lost the swing states to the Psycho in the GE.. & so do I.


Tarheel_Dem

(31,221 posts)
59. SMH. He's just lashing out because his endorsements haven't yielded much, in the real world.
Sat Aug 7, 2021, 06:45 PM
Aug 2021

The drug companies didn't vote for Shontel Brown, the "people" of OH-11 did.

lapucelle

(18,187 posts)
76. Did Nina get help from Justice Democrats?
Sat Aug 7, 2021, 09:14 PM
Aug 2021
Justice Democrats' biggest donor is a billionaire big pharma/healthcare industry mogul.

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https://www.opensecrets.org/political-action-committees-pacs/justice-democrats/C00630665/donors/2020

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Charles Dunlop
President/Founder, Ambry Genetics Corp

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:CqjAJMf0i8oJ:https://www.bloomberg.com/profile/person/19712686+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-b-1-d

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Ambry Genetics founder Charles Dunlop dumps $20 million cash on a Malibu cottage

https://www.dirt.com/moguls/power-players/charles-dunlop-house-malibu-point-dume-12491/

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- "When is it OK to take money from big pharma billionaires?

-"When it's us. But just us".

lapucelle

(18,187 posts)
81. Don't forget the giant magaphone Justice Dems and their cohorts have, including The Middle Aged Turk
Sat Aug 7, 2021, 09:35 PM
Aug 2021

hosting her events on his youtube channel.

Did they use that megaphone to help Nina? Did they use it to hurt Shontel?

Cha

(296,800 posts)
80. We know she did! Lo and behold!
Sat Aug 7, 2021, 09:33 PM
Aug 2021

Charles Dunlop lives in Hanalei, Kauai.. Ewww.

He must be a little disappointed his almost 1/2 MILLION $$$$ donation to jd didn't help NT in OHIO!

Does BS know this?! Never mind!

Dems Won! Thank you so much for the Receipts, lapucelle!

lapucelle

(18,187 posts)
94. Justice Dems have a pac funded by a billionaire big pharma mogul who also props up Rohrbacher?
Sun Aug 8, 2021, 11:34 AM
Aug 2021
- "When is it OK to take 6 figure donations from big pharma billionaire moguls who also fund Putin's guy in Congress?"

- "When it's us. But just us."
 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
95. Justice Dems don't have to disclose it all since ..wait for it...
Sun Aug 8, 2021, 11:54 AM
Aug 2021

...they TOO became a Super Pac in May of 2020!

I hear Rep Katie Porter is interested in writing a bill investigating "hidden dark campaign money in SPACS .."

She can start with this one.
That's gonna take one massive white board!

Can't happen soon enough

Between Mercury Global Lobbying & Charles Dunlop, this is one screaming red flag that deserves a deeper dive.

lapucelle

(18,187 posts)
105. So some of these candidates are taking super pac (SPAC) money and/or help, but
Sun Aug 8, 2021, 04:11 PM
Aug 2021

appear to be teflon-coated. No wonder JusticeDemWatch gets pushback. Personally, I'm glad that operatives like Justice Democrats are on the radar of watchdog groups.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
106. Am glad for the watchdog groups too. Factchecking, providing receipts..
Sun Aug 8, 2021, 07:56 PM
Aug 2021

501C4's & SPACS are ripe for corporate, foreign influene, & Dark money to flow between them & really has to be busted apart.
Campaign finance Laws have to change.

oasis

(49,324 posts)
104. During dangerous times, Dems need to jettison shit stirring mavericks.
Sun Aug 8, 2021, 03:14 PM
Aug 2021

Send them packing until they learn the value of teamwork.

JohnSJ

(92,061 posts)
107. No Bernie, it had to do with the majority in her district wanted Shantel Brown. These excuses
Sun Aug 8, 2021, 09:52 PM
Aug 2021

That some of her supporters make blaming everyone but her are sad

Sanders doesn’t blame Turner when she compared President Biden to a bowl of s**t, but blames big money for her loss, when in fact Turner had five million dollars in contributions while Brown had two million dollars.

betsuni

(25,376 posts)
112. They just call their money "grassroots" and it's magically purified.
Mon Aug 9, 2021, 05:02 PM
Aug 2021

Everybody else's money is "establishment" and automatically corrupt. It's a simple, childish world with magic words clearly dividing Us and Them.

George II

(67,782 posts)
114. For Turner, 88% of that "grassroots" money came from outside Ohio! Only 52% of Brown's came from...
Mon Aug 9, 2021, 05:07 PM
Aug 2021

...outside Ohio. Plus, only 4% of Turner's money came from within the OH-11 District, whereas 39% of Brown's came from inside the District.

We hear the common smear, "who is trying to buy xxxxx" in reference to Democrats' sources of contribution. We can ask that here, too!

Nixie

(16,950 posts)
108. UGH, this is their only way of building a "brand"! The inanity of it all is sad enough, but
Mon Aug 9, 2021, 11:22 AM
Aug 2021

to be so steeped in outright lies like this really makes you wonder about mental competence or at the very least the glaring and deceptive appeal to a "cult"-like mentality. Seriously, we've seen who else attracts a cult!

Cha

(296,800 posts)
109. I'm keeping this Kicked.. to remind us
Mon Aug 9, 2021, 04:33 PM
Aug 2021

that nothing has changed.

President Biden is the Change we Needed and Got!

George II

(67,782 posts)
113. Now that the numbers are coming in (thanks to Ballotpedia) it's turning out that all the talk....
Mon Aug 9, 2021, 05:03 PM
Aug 2021

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....about overall spending in the race is heavily in favor of Nina Turner, not Shontel Brown if false.

ballotpedia.org/Nina_Turner_(Ohio)#Elections

Here are the numbers so far, with the glaring omissions of Justice Democrats, Sunshine Movement, and Brand New Congress.

Turner:

$3,704,491 Campaign
$104,000 Congressional Progressive Caucus PAC
$661,000 Democratic Action PAC
$153,000 Working Families Party

$4,622,491 Total

Outside expenditure so far: $918,000

Brown:

$1,748,992 Campaign
$2,000,000 Democratic Majority for Israel
$225,000 Third Way

$3,973,992 Total

Outside expenditure: $2,225,000

As of now $648,499 more has been spent for Turner than for Brown, destroying the claim that the drug companies, Wall Street, and fossil fuel industry "spending millions trying to defeat" Turner.

As I noted, this does NOT include anything from Justice Democrats or the other two groups.

For an order of magnitude, last year Justice Democrats spent $920,000 on Jamaal Bowman's campaign ($620,000 for Bowman, $300,000 against Engel) and $715,000 on Alex Morse's campaign ($440,000 for Morse, $275,000)

No doubt they approached if not completely blew through the $1,000,000 mark on this highly visible campaign and both Sunshine Movement and Brand New Congress contributed significant funds too.

When all the numbers are in the so-called "outside money*" for Turner will dwarf that for Brown.

*This has been described as "evil money" by Turner and "republican Jewish money" by Cornel West.

betsuni

(25,376 posts)
117. It's important.
Mon Aug 9, 2021, 05:21 PM
Aug 2021

The next election is vital to the country's future and as you say, nothing has changed. It's destructive.

Cha

(296,800 posts)
124. It is so Important.. Thank You!
Mon Aug 9, 2021, 06:20 PM
Aug 2021

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It would be a wonderful Victory for Democracy if Everyone would get on Deck!

But too many are too wrapped up in their own brand to think about the Big Picture for our Country and the Planet!

betsuni

(25,376 posts)
125. I can't believe we're still hearing "The corrupt establishment will stop at nothing to defeat us"
Mon Aug 9, 2021, 06:55 PM
Aug 2021

with the corrupt establishment being Democrats when our democracy is at stake, when inequality and everything else will get much worse, people's lives terribly affected if Republicans take over. If one lives in a fantasy world where both sides are the same, I guess they can't see that. The rest of us living in reality, though...

Cha

(296,800 posts)
126. Thank you for mentioning People's Lives
Mon Aug 9, 2021, 07:49 PM
Aug 2021

ae at stake.

As if Enough People didn't LOSE their Lives when trump took Power.. because Too many people didn't care about SCOTUS, The People, and The Planet.

They'll Never Learn.. Thankfully there were more of us Voting for now Pres Biden and VP Harris!

Shine the Light!

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
118. Actually this is a pretty weak response after yet another surrogate defeat.
Mon Aug 9, 2021, 05:24 PM
Aug 2021

He had to say something.

Pretty interesting how the Sanderistas have gone quiet

Wonder what they think about all the DU $$! that went into defeating Turner.

helpisontheway

(5,004 posts)
119. Awww bless his heart..upset because his precious Nina did not win.
Mon Aug 9, 2021, 05:27 PM
Aug 2021

At least he is returning her loyalty to him.

BlueLucy

(1,609 posts)
130. I sent money to Shontel. I'm not wallstreet
Tue Aug 24, 2021, 01:38 AM
Aug 2021

I'm not from Ohio but I wanted Nina Turner defeated. I use to live in Portland OR, now I live in Kelso WA. We're a household of 2 old folks and occasionally our grandson. It's insulting Bernie keeps talking about people like me in that way!

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