Are we going to have another COVID shut-down?

[FirstLight]

The numbers are going up, vaccinated or not. The variants seem to also be getting better at infecting anyone & everyone...

Im thinking when kids go back to school it's going to get worse, since kids under 12 arent even getting vaccinated and kids are fucking petri dishes.

I just keep thinking it's going to happen again... wonder if the orders will come from states or the WH.
Here in my county in No Cal, if we were still tracking like last year we'd be in the red tier...but nobody is doing shit. Not even a mask mandate.

Just curious.... what do you all think?

[FBaggins]

1. I doubt that there will be many

Not when the death count is so much lower and virtually everyone at risk has the option of getting vaccinated if they choose to.

[jimfields33]

4. I agree. Deaths are down big time.

Unless they go up a lot, no shutdown for sure.

[LisaL]

8. We are averaging 500 per day now.

I wouldn't call that "down big time." Death also lag cases by several weeks, so they will go up more.

[jimfields33]

10. Of course. But last year, we had tens of thousands a day.

I feel for those 500 for sure. They are not all trumpers.

[FBaggins]

15. It was never tens of thousands in the US

The peak was between 4-5k/day.

But the point remains that it's way down.

[jimfields33]

23. Thank you. My mind....ugh. Or lack there of a mind.

[jimfields33]

29. Very true. Thank you.

[LisaL]

18. We never had tens of thousands deaths a day.

In January we were averaging 3.5k per day.

[jimfields33]

22. Sorry. I was going by memory which is dumb.

I was clearly wrong.

[Treefrog]

26. Glad to hear someone feels this way.

The glee I’m reading here at Covid deaths is abhorrent.

[FBaggins]

13. That's basically the same as all of May

The last time infections were this high, deaths were close to 3,500/day

That's "down big time" by any measure... particularly when vaccines are available to virtually everyone at risk (which wasn't the case the last time)

[LisaL]

19. Like I said, deaths are trending up.

With as many cases as we now have, wait a couple of weeks before claiming deaths are way down.

[StarryNite]

37. Let's be clear, everyone is at risk.

Even those who are too young to get the vaccine and are back or soon will be back in the classrooms filled with others who are not vaccinated. And many in states where mask mandates in schools has been ruled illegal by kid killing governors.

[FBaggins]

46. Let's be even clearer. Everyone has always been at risk.

There’s not a thing that you can do about the meteor headed to your living room.

The question wasn’t whether the risk from COVID had reached absolute zero. It was whether we were going to see another shutdown.

My answer hasn’t changed. There might be some limited local restrictions beyond just mask wearing and vaccination requirements… but there won’t be new wide-scale lockdowns now that there are generally available vaccines.

The risk to the majority who are fully vaccinated- particularly those who were fairly health/young to begin with - is too low to expect them to endure another shutdown. Particularly when they would be doing so almost entirely for the benefit of those who choose to put themselves at risk.

[liberal_mama]

17. I think there were 750 deaths yesterday

They are rising again.

[former9thward]

41. Worldometer says 320 yesterday.

Deaths are a very small fraction of what they were last winter.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/?utm_source=facebook&page=31&utm_campaign=targetingUSA&utm_medium=display

[liberal_mama]

43. In the Daily Deaths graph, it says August 6, 2021 : 751 deaths on Worldometers

Not sure how to paste a screen shot though.

[former9thward]

45. I don't know what your link is.

The link I posted has a state by state count which totals 320. It also has a daily deaths graph showing deaths as of 8/6 are 632, 667 and as of 8/7 632, 987. A difference of 320.

Which ever number is correct, 320 or 751, it is a small fraction of last winter.

[FirstLight]

7. well, it's just a matter of time until the newer variants get worse IMO

and is it really about deaths or is it hospitalizations? I dont know, but Im thinking it's gonna get ugly again...the vaccine can only do so much

[DemocratSinceBirth]

16. You can't put a price on life.

That being said the social dislocation of lockdowns when vaccination is available is incalculable.

[JohnSJ]

2. No

[Polybius]

3. I hope so

Shutdowns really help fight the numbers.

[FirstLight]

5. me too...

but really I just want all the people to go away/back inside!

[XanaDUer2]

6. No

though lots of dead unvaccinated folks. Hopefully, growing fear is making more people vaccinate.

I'd ike to see mask mandates

[FirstLight]

9. Im just thinking that we're going to see some variants break through the vaccine barrier

As much as I think the vaccines help, the mutations are just going to get more narly...

[JoanofArgh]

11. I don't think so just because Biden has said no more lockdowns numerous times.

There's a vaccine available now.

[stillcool]

12. Not here. But we have a high vaccination rate

and people wear masks. I don't leave home without it, and am so pleasantly surprised when I see most people wearing masks.

[brooklynite]

14. Nope.

The shut down occurred in large part because isolation was the best strategy when we didn't have a vaccination. Not the situation now.

[BannonsLiver]

20. We never had a shut down in the first place.

We had 50 states all doing different things. There was never a true shut down, but there should have been.

[LisaL]

21. Very true.

Our so-called shutdowns were nothing compared to lets say China or Australia.

[leftstreet]

36. +1

[Beachnutt]

24. You kinda have a choice now, you can mask up and get vaccinated or

you can take a chance on covid...
So no lockdown as it's your choice.

[FirstLight]

30. I get it but I still think we are oing to see variants that break thru the vaccination barrier...

nt

[quaint]

25. Masks Now Required Indoors In 7 Bay Area Counties

Starting today [Tuesday August 3, 2021], residents of Alameda, Contra Costa, Marin, San Mateo, San Francisco, Santa Clara and Sonoma counties must wear masks indoors in public spaces, regardless of vaccination status. The news prompted relief, confusion and anger. Read more from the Bay Area News Group, San Francisco Chronicle and Los Angeles Times. LAT paywalled source

It will not be called a shut-down

[IrishAfricanAmerican]

27. Not in red states.

[former9thward]

42. Or in blue states. Biden has said no more shutdowns.

[caraher]

28. We have two COVID Americas

I'd like to see the case/death reports broken down separately for the vaccinated and unvaccinated.

As to the original question, it seems like we should by the numbers, but there's also a huge political disincentive to "going back" that will dominate in the near term.

[FirstLight]

31. i agree...

just wondering at what point would it be prudent....and I still think that we are going to see bigger badder variants that will make the vaccine seem like nothing...

[Meowmee]

32. If we had a had a real shutdown

And had stopped all travel in and out it would have been a much better scenario as opposed to what happened. I predict most of the powers that be will try to avoid any shutdowns this time. It is clear many don’t care enough about the deaths at this point, not enough to start taking the needed measures to mitigate it. If a variant starts decreasing the effectiveness of the vaccines to a larger degree we may see this shift. And I hope the same if significant numbers of unvaxed children are affected. It is clear it has been deemed more acceptable for the elderly and high risk, as well as unvaxed to die. Long term covid has not even been addressed in this equation.

The glee at deaths you see expressed on the part of some at this very site is evidence that the stupidity regarding the handling of all of this, and the lack of compassion is present on both sides if in different forms.

Protect yourself, sd and continue to mask.

[FirstLight]

33. well said...

maybe I am just fantasizing about a shutdown because it's just so "peopley" out there!

I live and work in a resort town and it's just crazy...
I wore my mask pretty much all day at work yesterday, just dont feel safe anymore

[Meowmee]

47. Peopley 😹 I like that term

Just continue to wear kn95 and sd, stay as safe as possible.

[bucolic_frolic]

34. No

Democrats won't go there and face the backlash, and there would be little extra compliance with a lockdown.

The best we're going to do is the status quo. Mask up voluntarily, be safe. Let the foolish have at it. We can win this.

[relayerbob]

35. Partials perhaps, but no all around one

After all, the virus only has 85% of the population left to infect

[beaglelover]

38. No way. We never really had one anyway.

Now with the vaccine a shut down is totally unwarranted.

[Karma13612]

39. There was never a national country-wide 'shut down'

We had state-wide ‘shut-downs” and limitations regionally.

No, I don’t think there will be a nation-wide shut down.
I met a fella on an elevator here in NY state and he was going on about bad Cuomo and how he is going to put NYS into another lock-down. I doubt it.

We might see mask mandates in some areas which I would find totally understandable.
I am visiting a large city in NY State for a few weeks and am masking everywhere, even when it isn’t required. Back home in NY-21 in our rural area, we haven’t been masking unless required. But here in Buffalo, absolutely. And a LOT of others are as well.

It will be very case specific.
If you are concerned, wear a mask. I hate that my glasses keep fogging up but it eases my mind in such a concentrated-population dense area.

[Johonny]

40. Only if hospital capacity demands it

The general hope is still that delta + vaccination will keep the hospitals busy but not near collapse.

Of course, the recall almost certainly means no shutdowns here.

[roamer65]

44. We are going to see a breakdown of hospitals and medical care.

We are very close to Alan Grayson’s prediction of Repuke health care in the Gulf states.

Don’t get sick and if you do, die quickly.

[Thtwudbeme]

48. Yes

I know everyone here is thinking "no way." I am a public school librarian in NC.

Over 50% of the people here are not vaccinated. I am sitting here on FB looking at folks on their last vacations of the summer. NO MASKS. Not a damned one.

Schools are going to be super-spreaders. I predict we shut down after Labor Day, and I am hoping I have that amount of time to sling out the chrome books and class novels.