So he's going to go down kicking and screaming?

[milestogo]

Governor Cuomo, please resign and save some dignity.

[hlthe2b]

1. Sadly, I think this is spill-over "Trump" effect.

Some have taken the RW 'never apologize, never explain, never resign' message to heart.

[Demsrule86]

15. And? Are we going to continue to destroy our people like Katie Hill . No I say fight on

Governor. We could lose this seat ...make no mistake. We lost Katie Hill's seat.

[hlthe2b]

19. I fought for him to get a full investigation and due process. He is getting this.

But, if he is impeached he WILL be removed immediately. NY law re: executive impeachments is quite different than Congressional Presidential impeachment in this respect. Dragging out the impeachment will ensure a Republican takes the next election, while stepping aside for the Lt. Governor at least allows for the Dems to regroup.

This wasn't a political impeachment. It shows none of the hallmarks of RW dirty trick campaign that Al Franken's case, for instance, did (and a circumstance that angers me to this day toward Dems who sold him down the river). The Cuomo case is quite different. I do not for one minute believe the Letitia James investigation was biased nor politically motivated. The evidence is overwhelming from scores of women with no RW political ties nor agenda and who have no indication of coordination. If Cuomo wants to salvage any future out of this, he needs to step aside and work on a credible defense.

I am deeply saddened by this turn of affairs for Andrew Cuomo. I naively (it would appear) thought much better of him--the son of Mario, for whom I had tremendous respect. I actually DO hope Cuomo can somehow salvage something of his reputation. But this is not the way to do so.

For those saying "thug it out," I admit this was my first instinct as well. But after reflecting on the likelihood that RW likely would take the governorship if this drags on and the strength of James' investigation as well as the total collapse of support for Cuomo in Albany, I have reconsidered that as having any success whatsoever.

[LakeArenal]

23. Agree. Day in court. Recall or impeach by NY. Not public opinion.

[brooklynite]

24. This is NOT "Katie Hills seat". The politics are completely different...

...as are the accusations.

[FoxNewsSucks]

25. I'm so sick of the double standard

Katie Hill, Al Franken, Anthony Weiner, Clinton, Cuomo and more. Some did absolutely nothing wrong, some did things that are no one else's business, some did things that are inappropriate. The problem is that the corporate media jumped on the horrible salacious scandal and led the charge for removal in every case.

MF45, Matt Gaetz, Gym Jordan, the toe-tapper from Idaho, David "Hooker" Vitter, Roy Moore. . . they and more did far worse than any Democrat, often committing actual crimes. The corporate media took a "this probably happened, nothing to see here let's move along" every time.

Whatever the standard is needs to be applied equally. But until the media problem changes, republicon scum will continue to behave like criminal swine and get away with it while Democratic comedians who pose for funny pictures will be ran out of office. It's a tactic that works great for republicons.

[hlthe2b]

27. I share that frustration. I do, however believe Cuomo's problems are quite different and not merely

sexual harassment-related. The temptation to support fighting the perceived double standard, though is there. I just think it will backfire on all of us--not only Cuomo.

[FoxNewsSucks]

31. I do agree with that,

"thugging it out" only works well when there is absolutely nothing to the accusation.

[brooklynite]

29. So your concern isn't criminal justice, it's....media coverage?

[FoxNewsSucks]

32. On the contrary,

my concern is justice. Because justice isn't being served equally. Often not at all. Apparently, justice and punishment is only a consequence to be faced by Democrats.

I identified what I see to be a big part of that problem - corporate media that is a willing tool of the republicons.

[brooklynite]

34. Isn't it a shame that prosecutors don't time their indictments to make bloggers happy?

Indictments will come when they come. In the meantime, political decisions such as Impeachment or pressure will come when the accused's Party wants them to.

I, for one, will not go with "Republicans get away with it so so should we".

[FoxNewsSucks]

42. I'm not implying that we should get away with it

but that they should face the same consequences. More severe is deserved, actually, as they are nearly always doing something worse.

And that doesn't happen in large part because of the different treatment in news coverage.

[Jose Garcia]

40. Cuomo and Hill destroyed themselves

And if you're concerned about keeping a Republican from becoming Governor, you would want Cuomo to go away as quickly as possible.

[RobinA]

41. Yes, We Are

going to continue to destroy our people. This Cuomo thing makes me wonder if there really is any point to voting if you are a Democrat. No, I will not stop voting, but I do wonder. Cuomo can win elections, and he can govern, but he is handsy so get him out of here. Hopeless.

[pnwmom]

54. The longer Cuomo's scandal drags out, the greater the R's chance in the next election.

We are much better off if a new Governor Kathy Hochul, who won her last election for Lt. Gov with close to 60% of the vote, takes the helm now.

[Botany]

2. "Governor Cuomo, please resign and save some dignity."

+1

[milestogo]

3. I would like to remember him at his best, taking New York through the pandemic.

I don't live in NY, but I watched most of his news conferences. He is a true leader, despite his flaws, and a striking contrast to Trump.

But its time for him to go.

[mopinko]

4. ya know what? fine. thug it out.

i'm tired of unilateral disarmament.
i want us to be better. but this is war.

[Demsrule86]

10. Thst is it. The GOP laugh at us and use this sort of crap.

[NurseJackie]

14. Thank you.

[mopinko]

16. omg. nj agree w me.

i knew today was gonna be weird.

[NurseJackie]

21. Ha!

[treestar]

35. +1

good way to put it.

[pnwmom]

55. The women staffers need to win this battle so Gov. Kathy Hochul can stand for re-election in 2022. n

[JohnSJ]

5. That going to happen, he will have to be impeached, and the NY legislature needs to proceed

as quickly as possible

It is possible that once the impeachment process begins, and it is evident that the votes are there to remove him from office that he will resign, but I don't think he will do it until then, which is why they need to proceed with impeachment quickly

[Demsrule86]

8. They should do no such thing. Hold a primary. You play into GOP hands with

Impeachment. For those who say New York won't elect a GOP governor, I say one word - Pataki.

[PoliticAverse]

12. If you want to get a Republican governor elected in NY, drag out the Cuomo issue as long as possible

[treestar]

36. Does it work that way for Republicans?

[PoliticAverse]

37. Trump didn't resign despite (2) impeachments, Biden won. n/t

[treestar]

52. True though there is a lot more wrong with Trump

than just the harassment allegations. I don't think Biden won merely because Trump refused to resign over those. Trump was clearly incompetent and making things worse on a lot of fronts.

Cuomo OTOH did a great job. In fact, there were DU posts wanting him to run for POTUS at the time he was in the news every night about Covid in NY!

[JohnSJ]

18. This isn't about politics, it is about doing the right thing, and it is going to happen

However, if you want to argue the political aspect of it, I would say waiting until the primary would hurt the Democrats much more than having him removed from office, and having the Lt. Governor assume the Governorship

These accusers are not republicans, and they are credible. The AG that Cuomo appointed to investigate this, found the allegations credible. This isn't one or two accusers, this is quite a few

This is the difference between republicans and Democrats

[Demsrule86]

46. Impeachment will hurt much worse.

[JohnSJ]

47. We just disagree on this Demsrule

[Demsrule86]

61. Fair enough

[JohnSJ]

62. Looks like it is a moot point, Governor Cuomo resigned which I think takes this off the table

[tritsofme]

30. Pataki's last election win was 20 years ago.

If you want to play into GOP hands, then have Cuomo linger around for 18 months, while more revelations come out and potentially more women are victimized.

[George II]

51. Elliot Spitzer left office in mid-term, it didn't hurt Democrats winning the next election.

[Sympthsical]

33. You constantly say this about progressives

"They're playing into GOP hands." And that's just for the things they say.

This guy actively abuses women, and it's all good?

Just wow. This is breathtaking.

[Demsrule86]

45. Because it is true. This will be dragged out, and anyone who believes a GOP can't win

New York doesnt know this state. I have lived in New York and am tired of self inflicted injuries to our party in the name of purity. Call for his resignation but if he won't do it than the primary should sort it out. I am actually progressive in. my politics as are most Democrats. But, I do what it takes to win. That is the most important thing. I promise you, no Republican AG would have gone after a governor in their party this way. We lose our Dem seats as a result of this sort of thing. It is foolish politically.

[treestar]

53. stop the either/or choices

It's not all good. But it can be argued whether he should resign.

And it's up to him anyway.

[Polybius]

63. Pataki wasn't bad

For a Republican, he was very moderate.

[tavernier]

6. Is his brother Chris still on?

I haven’t had TV on for a while. What is he saying about it?

[PoliticAverse]

9. He hasn't been covering the issue, an understandable position.

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He's taking his yearly birthday vacation from his show at the moment.

https://news.yahoo.com/chris-cuomo-takes-vacation-birthday-144503739.html
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/watch/chris-cuomo-isnt-covering-his-brothers-sexual-assault-scandal-on-cnn/vp-AAMZq1B

[tavernier]

17. Thanks

Shakespeare would have an entire play based on this modern dynasty.

[JohnSJ]

20. Yes, but he will not rightfully not discuss it.

[Earth-shine]

22. It's CNN's official position that the Andrew Cuomo situation will not be discusses by Chris

on the air in any way.

So, Chris does his handoff to Don Lemon, who immediately gets into it.

It would be for the best he resign. Since he won't, let there be fast impeachment.

[Demsrule86]

7. I wouldnt. Already , there seem be in inconsistencies.

This seems political to me And we have to stop bringing down our own leaders.

[lapucelle]

11. Cuomo was given until Friday & I think Kathy Hochul is using that time to her and NYS's advantage.

The Lieutenant Governor having time to put the pieces together is to everyone's advantage, except the Republicans.

It was reported on CNN this morning that he has no residence other than the governor's mansion, so part of it might just be that he's in the process of making arrangements.

Moreover, the actual process of the transition of power is complex, and I'm sure that Democrats in the state legislature want it to be as seamless as possible, so that Republican gubernatorial candidate / Trump acolyte Lee Zeldin doesn't won't get more grist for his particular mill.

The "I want it NOW, NOW, NOW!!!" Republicans in my state are going to have to wait another few days while all the pieces are put into place.

Kathy Hochul Quietly Prepares to Step Into the Limelight

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:1kYXDPplOmIJ:https://politicalwire.com/2021/08/09/kathy-hochul-quietly-prepares-to-step-into-the-limelight/+&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-b-1-d

[Beastly Boy]

13. Actually, I prefer impeachment

If Cuomo is to surrender his governorship, I would want it to be as a consequence of due process, not political pressure. All the "I"s dotted and all the "T"s crossed. No second guesses and no excuses.

[mopinko]

39. yup. it's time to fight back on this nonsense.

it's part of a larger, insidious pattern. make them stand up and be counted.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

26. Powerful people tend to think they're untouchable, even when everything around them is crumbling.

[Chainfire]

38. They are so used to "winning" that they simply can't imagine that anything can defeat them.

[RobinA]

43. And They Tend

to be right a lot of the time. Trump's biggest asset (to his own way of doing things) is that he never stops. He's a bulldozer. He's stupid, he's a crap leader, he's never had a good idea in his life, he's a know-nothing, but he just keeps rolling. He's one of the guys most likely to remain standing because of it.

[GoodRaisin]

44. I want to hear more of the evidence.

[USALiberal]

48. Did you read the report??? Nt

[GoodRaisin]

49. No.

Just what I have heard and read, so far.

[PoliticAverse]

56. I would recommend watching the NY Attorney General's press conference...

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(44 minutes long)

[GoodRaisin]

60. Thanks. Watched it already.

I've been following the news.

[0rganism]

50. sorry, the USS Dignity has already left harbor

whatever his resignation saves now won't be dignity -- at least not his, maybe some of his victims could save some but that hardly seems like Gov. Cuomo's priority anyway

[karynnj]

57. I think he missed the window to do that

Had he resigned when the additional accusations started to come out earlier this year, he could probably could have done so. The former administrative assistant, who has been speaking out this week, said her reason for making her accusations was hearing him speak of "never having touched someone inappropriately".

Imagine that he had a more accurate view of his own actions at that point in time and if he would have resigned, apologizing to any women he offended. Then the story would have been someone who missed that mores on things like this had changed. What would possibly not have come out were the multitude of additional accusations and the disgusting detail of how he retaliated against the first accuser. ck a

The difficulty for him now is that this goes to very personal questions that obviously go against his self perception. It would seem that he actually thought he was a powerful, attractive alpha male that all these women welcomed his attention. (even though he was in his 60s and they in their 20s and 30s.) In addition, the retaliation brings back a lot of stories of his being a bully through the decades.

[milestogo]

58. He fails to understand the nature of his power over the people who work for him.

He thinks they are submissive because they are attracted to him, but in reality they are afraid of what he could do to their careers if they spoke up.

I really think he just doesn't get it.

[Nixie]

59. "retaliated". Some people think that defending yourself

is “retaliation.” You can see that in the defamation lawsuits brought when an accused declares innocence and then is sued for daring to initiate a defense. I haven’t read the lawsuit in Cuomo’s case, just noting a recent pattern since MeToo.