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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,920 posts)
Mon Aug 9, 2021, 01:59 PM Aug 2021

Federal judge says f___ you to DeSantis

In a blow to Gov. Ron DeSantis, a judge ruled cruise giant Norwegian can require vaccine passports in Florida

A federal judge ruled Sunday in favor of Norwegian Cruise Line Holdings (NCLH), allowing them to require passengers to show proof of vaccination in defiance of Florida's vaccine passport ban.

US District Judge Kathleen Williams granted the cruise line a preliminary injunction, temporarily blocking enforcement of the ban, concluding NCLH would likely win in its argument that the ban infringes upon the company's constitutional rights.

In the 59-page ruling, she said Florida failed "to provide a valid evidentiary, factual, or legal predicate" for the vaccine passport ban and that the law could negatively impact public health.

The ruling represents a major blow to Governor Ron DeSantis' efforts to stop vaccine mandates in the state of Florida, which currently has one of the worst COVID-19 surges in the US.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/in-a-blow-to-gov-ron-desantis-a-judge-ruled-cruise-giant-norwegian-can-require-vaccine-passports-in-florida/ar-AAN5OSg
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Federal judge says f___ you to DeSantis (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Aug 2021 OP
DeSantis will appeal the ruling - of course he will. - n/t Jim__ Aug 2021 #1
I don't think DeSantis even has jurisdiction over cruise lines..... LeftInTX Aug 2021 #3
He Does Over The Ports, Though ProfessorGAC Aug 2021 #7
I had no idea LeftInTX Aug 2021 #10
Actually It Is ProfessorGAC Aug 2021 #11
Hmm...They got the FAA after the City of San Antonio over Chik Fil A...LOL LeftInTX Aug 2021 #20
Thing Is... ProfessorGAC Aug 2021 #21
It was from the FAA...Trump's FAA... LeftInTX Aug 2021 #22
DeSatan thinks he does Dreampuff Aug 2021 #14
lol, "smaller gov't", that is rich. Thomas Hurt Aug 2021 #2
I had to look to see who nominated this judge. Niagara Aug 2021 #4
OT - It always throws me for a moment when somebody refers to him as PBO, lol. ShazzieB Aug 2021 #15
Sorry for the confusion, ShazzieB. Niagara Aug 2021 #18
Court to man of stupidity - nice try , but no cigars!!! president my ass !! monkeyman1 Aug 2021 #5
actually desantis is death so it's a blow to death samsingh Aug 2021 #6
The judge didn't really say that. NurseJackie Aug 2021 #8
Yeah, but she shot him a bird under the bench. Ligyron Aug 2021 #12
Haaa! (Good one!) NurseJackie Aug 2021 #13
I guess I could have added "figuratively" Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Aug 2021 #16
I prefer Defiance to DiSantis. calimary Aug 2021 #9
It's fun to say eff you to desatan bedazzled Aug 2021 #17
You KNOW he's fund-raising off of this! Fritz Walter Aug 2021 #19

ProfessorGAC

(64,995 posts)
7. He Does Over The Ports, Though
Mon Aug 9, 2021, 03:14 PM
Aug 2021

That's the real issue.
The "law" says if they use the ports, they can be fined for having vax passports.
Until this judge stomped on it.

ProfessorGAC

(64,995 posts)
11. Actually It Is
Mon Aug 9, 2021, 03:29 PM
Aug 2021

The city of Chicago owns & operates O'Hare airport.
They have TSA, and other federal departments working there, but it's THEIR airport, not the federal government.
Same thing here. Chicago can't kick out TSA or USDA or State. But, they can set rules. (The mask mandate at O'Hare wasn't federal. It was a city of Chicago rule.)
You're correct about customs & immigration, but it's all happening on Florida state property. So, if their rules don't directly conflict with federal law, they set their own policies.
This one won't stand, but he did have authority to control the use of ports.

LeftInTX

(25,257 posts)
20. Hmm...They got the FAA after the City of San Antonio over Chik Fil A...LOL
Mon Aug 9, 2021, 07:41 PM
Aug 2021
Attorney General Ken Paxton today announced that the United States Department of Transportation’s Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) reached an informal resolution with the City of San Antonio regarding its decision to exclude Chick-fil-A from a concession contract based on the religious beliefs associated with that company and its owners. Last year, on March 28, 2019, Attorney General Paxton requested Secretary of the U.S. Department of Transportation Elaine Chao to open an investigation into the city of San Antonio’s potential violation of federal law and Transportation Department regulations when the city banned Chick-fil-A from operating a restaurant in the San Antonio International Airport based on the company’s religious beliefs. After discussions with the City of San Antonio, the FAA announced that San Antonio International Airport will offer Chick-fil-A a lease opportunity for space in Terminal A. https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/news/releases/ag-paxton-city-san-antonio-ordered-lift-ban-chick-fil-international-airport


However, what people eat in a terminal has no impact on what goes on in the plane...whereas vaccination status affects what happens on a ship, which has nothing to do with Florida anymore...But then again cruise ships are not under the US flag....

ProfessorGAC

(64,995 posts)
21. Thing Is...
Mon Aug 9, 2021, 07:47 PM
Aug 2021

...anybody can sue over anything.
They're claiming it's a rights violation, so they can pursue it.
It makes more sense that an airport sees little value in having a food vendor that's closed on Sunday.
But, Paxson is an attention hound. So, there we are.
Here in Chicago, someone tried to get a pot dispensary into the airport.
It was denied, because of concerns over interstate transport.
But, we didn't have a grandstanding pol pretend there was rights violation involved.
I'm thinking that using Paxson as an example may be unwise, given he's a moronic tool.

LeftInTX

(25,257 posts)
22. It was from the FAA...Trump's FAA...
Mon Aug 9, 2021, 09:20 PM
Aug 2021

This letter is in response to the above complaint against the City of San Antonio (City),
the airport sponsor for San Antonio International Airport (SAT).
Your complaint alleged that the City discriminated against Chick-fil-A (CFA) by excluding
the company from an airport concession opportunity at SAT because of the expression of
religious beliefs by the owner of the company. The Federal Aviation Administration
(FAA) opened an investigation for the complaint on May 24, 2019, concerning the City’s
compliance with the Airport and Airway Improvement Act of 1982 (49 U.S.C. § 47123)
and FAA Airport Improvement Program Grant Assurance 30 (79 Fed. Reg. 18755 (April
3, 2014)). Those authorities prohibit FAA grant recipients from excluding individuals on
the basis of creed, including religious creed, from participation in activities carried out
with Federal grant funding, including airport programs. The City is a recipient of Federal
financial assistance from the FAA for airport programs, including $8,245,147 in Federal
Fiscal Year 2019 for SAT.

The FAA is pleased to report that we have reached an informal resolution for the
complaint investigation. This investigation was conducted in accordance with
Department of Transportation (DOT) Order 1000.18, External Civil Rights Complaint
Processing Manual. The DOT Order encourages early informal resolution of complaints
as an alternative to full formal investigations. Informal resolution can be initiated at any
stage of the complaint investigation process. Accordingly, we invited the City to enter
discussions for informal resolution, and the City accepted.
As of July 24, 2020, the City has agreed to take the following steps to address the
allegations in your complaint:
1. Within 45 days of this letter, CFA will be offered a lease opportunity for space in
SAT Terminal A.2. The terms of the new offer will be reasonable and consistent with customary
business practices.

In addition, the FAA will continue to monitor the City’s implementation of the above
steps to ensure that they are completed in a timely, reasonable, and fair manner. In the
event that they are not, FAA will reopen its complaint investigation, which may result in
the finding of a violation of relevant nondiscrimination authorities. Please be advised that no one may intimidate, threaten, coerce, or engage in other
discriminatory conduct against anyone because he or she has taken action or participated
in an action to secure rights protected by the Federal Regulation 49 CFR § 21.11(e). Any
individual alleging such harassment or intimidation may file a complaint with the FAA.
We will investigate such a complaint if the situation warrants. We would also like to inform you that under the Freedom of Information Act (5 U.S.C. § 552) and the Privacy Act (5 U.S.C. § 552a), it may be necessary to release
this information, related correspondence, and records upon request. In the event that we
receive such a request, we will seek to protect to the extent provided by law, personal
information which, if released, could constitute an unwarranted invasion of privacy. If you have any questions, please contact me. I can be reached by electronic mail at
Jonathan.Klein@FAA.gov. Please direct any written correspondence regarding this
matter that cannot be sent by electronic mail to 777 S. Aviation Blvd, Suite #150, El
Segundo, CA, 90245. Please reference the DOT tracking number cited above in all
future correspondence or contact with this office.
Sincerely, Jonathan Klein Acting Director, National External Operations Program FAA Office of Civil Rights

https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/sites/default/files/images/admin/2020/Press/Paxton%20Inf%20Res%20SAT%202019%200182%20200909.pdf

Dreampuff

(778 posts)
14. DeSatan thinks he does
Mon Aug 9, 2021, 03:53 PM
Aug 2021

I have seen articles that claim he does have control over the laws until they are something like two miles off the coast of Florida.

ShazzieB

(16,370 posts)
15. OT - It always throws me for a moment when somebody refers to him as PBO, lol.
Mon Aug 9, 2021, 04:10 PM
Aug 2021

First time I saw it, I went nuts trying to figure out whose initials those were.

I assume the P is for President, but it took me a while to figure that out.

Personally, with a name as short as Obama, I feel like it's just as easy to type it out. But maybe that's just me.

Niagara

(7,595 posts)
18. Sorry for the confusion, ShazzieB.
Mon Aug 9, 2021, 04:29 PM
Aug 2021

I don't like referring to him as only Obama because for the entire 8 years that he was President, all the RWNJ's (right wing nut jobs) that I know called him only Obama. I knew another person who referred to him (on purpose) as Osama, and I quickly scrubbed them from my circle.



I guess I could call him President Obama, although I do like to call him PBO because it has a certain ring to it and it's etched into my memory.

Fritz Walter

(4,291 posts)
19. You KNOW he's fund-raising off of this!
Mon Aug 9, 2021, 05:11 PM
Aug 2021

As I'm typing this now, I believe that his '22 GOOBERnatorial re-election campaign PAC and/or a '24 p'dential exploratory PAC are clogging the Internet with all sorts of urgent appeals. "How dare this judge rule against moRON DeathSentence?!? Here's how to turn your outrage into action..."

Which makes me wonder: are the cruise lines that home-port in Florida throwing money into those same PACs?
- If so, why?
- If not, could that explain why the moRON was so eager to sign this into law? Well, at least temporarily...

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