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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhy DeJoy still gets to destroy USPS, the traitorous FUCK!
Is it because he gets a vote on the board and there are an even number of patriots (dems) and traitorous fucking clowns (repubs) on the board and vile fuck traitor DeJoy is the deciding vote?
secondwind
(16,903 posts)luv2fly
(2,475 posts)... about the power of unions to keep people employed when they ought not be. Makes zero sense to me.
stillcool
(32,626 posts)that one of the Biden appointed members liked DeJoy. Considering my source (husband), should have known.
AZSkiffyGeek
(11,008 posts)stillcool
(32,626 posts)Grasswire2
(13,568 posts)The Chairman of the Postal Board, a Dem named Ron Bloom who is "FRIENDLY" with Trump, was appointed to the board in 2019 to fill the rest of someone's term. (I don't yet know who that someone is.)
And then in 2020, Bloom began something called a "holdover year" and that expires in December 2021
This information is from the USPS official web site.
I have many questions.
1. Who was the board member that stepped aside so Trump could appoint Bloom?
2. What is the authority for a "HOLDOVER YEAR" for a presidential appointee? Is there precedent?
3. Should we assume that Bloom will be gone after his holdover year expires?
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,851 posts)Each one of the slots (except the Postmaster and Deputy Postmaster) have a set 7 year term (staggered with the terms of other Governors) but not all of the appointees will stay the full term. So if someone leaves "early", they can be replaced with someone who will serve out the slot's term.
After Democrats lost the Senate in 2014, there were a myriad of situations where Obama's appointees were blocked - either by Turtle or by "holds" put on by various Senators including some by both Susan Collins and Bernie Sanders (and for Sanders, notably due to objections to the nominees by the Postal unions that he agreed with).
Since at some point, there were only 3 operational Governors until 2019, the slot might have been Dennis J. Toner (who had served out a term until 2012), and if left vacant, that would have been open for a re-up appointment in 2019 (even if it had been vacant all that time).
It's codified in the statue -
(a)
(1) The exercise of the power of the Postal Service shall be directed by a Board of Governors composed of 11 members appointed in accordance with this section. Nine of the members, to be known as Governors, shall be appointed by the President, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, not more than 5 of whom may be adherents of the same political party. The Governors shall elect a Chairman from among the members of the Board. The Governors shall represent the public interest generally, and shall be chosen solely on the basis of their experience in the field of public service, law or accounting or on their demonstrated ability in managing organizations or corporations (in either the public or private sector) of substantial size; except that at least 4 of the Governors shall be chosen solely on the basis of their demonstrated ability in managing organizations or corporations (in either the public or private sector) that employ at least 50,000 employees. The Governors shall not be representatives of specific interests using the Postal Service, and may be removed only for cause. Each Governor shall receive a salary of $30,000 a year plus $300 a day for not more than 42 days of meetings each year and shall be reimbursed for travel and reasonable expenses incurred in attending meetings of the Board. Nothing in the preceding sentence shall be construed to limit the number of days of meetings each year to 42 days.
(2) In selecting the individuals described in paragraph (1) for nomination for appointment to the position of Governor, the President should consult with the Speaker of the House of Representatives, the minority leader of the House of Representatives, the majority leader of the Senate, and the minority leader of the Senate.
(b)
(1) The terms of the 9 Governors shall be 7 years, except that the terms of the 9 Governors first taking office shall expire as designated by the President at the time of appointment, 1 at the end of 1 year, 1 at the end of 2 years, 1 at the end of 3 years, 1 at the end of 4 years, 1 at the end of 5 years, 1 at the end of 6 years, 1 at the end of 7 years, 1 at the end of 8 years, and 1 at the end of 9 years, following the appointment of the first of them. Any Governor appointed to fill a vacancy before the expiration of the term for which his predecessor was appointed shall serve for the remainder of such term. A Governor may continue to serve after the expiration of his term until his successor has qualified, but not to exceed one year.
(2) No person may serve more than 2 terms as a Governor.
(snip)
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/39/202
Most likely.
Grasswire2
(13,568 posts)Dennis J. Toner is the person in that term before Bloom was appointed.
He worked for Joe Biden for thirty years, and then was Finance Director for Biden campaign, and then Deputy Chief of Staff.
I'm sure that Trump would want him gone. He left a year before his term was up.
"Dennis J. Toner, Nominee for Governor, Board of Governors of the United States Postal Service Dennis J. Toner has directed policy, public and political affairs for over 30 years for then-Senator and now-Vice President Biden. He most recently served as Finance Director for Biden for President and Citizens for Biden."
I wonder what his current job is.
Grasswire2
(13,568 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,851 posts)to the point where the remaining Board members ended up setting up a "Temporary Emergency Committee" in order to continue to operate. The Resolution they adopted back then was posted on the Federal Register here - https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2014/12/16/2014-29344/exercise-of-powers-reserved-to-the-governors-and-the-board-of-governors
Grasswire2
(13,568 posts)That would be the seventh-eighth year of the Obama administration.
BumRushDaShow
(128,851 posts)although most aren't staying the full 7 years. So you have a lot of "filling out of term" appointments going on. However in Obama's case, he was trying to fill 5 slots (with either new terms or replacements to finish a term) and was blocked literally for the next couple years (2014 - 2016) until the election, and he never got anyone in.
When TFG came in, the first thing he did that year (2017) was to pass the tax cuts for the rich, ignoring the USPS. And after that, he sat on those USPS vacancies until it was realized that someone in there could gum up the election mail-in ballots since "libs" used them the most. So that is when suddenly in 2019, he got 3 people confirmed to bring the total to 6 for a quorum (along with a re-upping of one of the original 3's term) and whoever was left in spring 2020 later voted (excuse my language) FUCKING DEJOY in as Postmaster that following June 2020 (after 2 of the 6 left, leaving 4 to actually "recruit" and approve DeJoy).
Grasswire2
(13,568 posts)This added one year "holdover" term that Bloom was given also bothers me. It will expire in December. However, he only served for one previous year to the holdover year. I wonder if that means he will be O-U-T and ineligible for a full term of his own.
BumRushDaShow
(128,851 posts)and I think he knows it too - particularly with the blowback against DeJoy.
I expect Biden to nominate a new person in the slot. And since Biden also has 2 "Independents" on the board, that means he can have other (D)s when (R) slots come up because the stipulation is "no more than 5 of one party" and the (I)s are not counted as a (D) or (R).
liberalla
(9,238 posts)re: conflict of interest/financial ties to XPO Logistics
DeJoy maintins financial ties to former company as USPS awards it new $120 million contract
It could possibly lead to his earlier departure.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)Grasswire2
(13,568 posts)He even looks and talks like one. Arrogant thug.
UTUSN
(70,683 posts)Grasswire2
(13,568 posts)lame54
(35,284 posts)This pos is untouchable
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)Corgigal
(9,291 posts)I mean Im thankful for that, but fat boss man does like playing games with slowing down the mail. When will it arrive, anymore I just dont know.
Blue Owl
(50,349 posts)oasis
(49,376 posts)Raine
(30,540 posts)BeckyDem
(8,361 posts)On one hand, we have a strong advocate with Stroman:
There is no compelling financial reason to make this change, Stroman said. The relatively minor savings associated with changing service standards, even if achieved, will have no significant impact on the Postal Services financial future.
Stroman accused DeJoy and the existing board members of abandoning the customers most loyal to and dependent on the Postal Service and said the plan would accelerate people and businesses turning away from the mailing system. He added that rarely, if ever, has a USPS policy change received such widespread pushback.
https://www.govexec.com/management/2021/08/usps-board-meeting-turns-testy-biden-appointees-voice-disagreements-dejoys-vision/184346/
Yet there is this contrasting presence too:
Both incumbent Democratic board members including Chairman Ron Bloom have expressed support for DeJoy, whose restructuring of the service has drawn widespread criticism.
Bloom in February told House lawmakers that the board of governors believes that the Postmaster General in very difficult circumstances is doing a good job. He told The Atlantic magazine for an article published April 21 that DeJoy earned my support.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-04-28/postal-board-nears-democratic-majority-that-might-keep-dejoy
Roisin Ni Fiachra
(2,574 posts)A traitor running the USPS who has already deliberately committed acts of harm against the United States electoral process, should be able to be removed without consideration of normal procedure.
Why hasn't he been prosecuted?
The US Postal Service claimed in a court filing Wednesday that it has already taken apart high-speed mail sorting machines and therefore can't put them back into service.
The USPS claimed it was "not possible" to restore machines it had "dismantled" for parts, only those that had merely been "disconnected."
A federal judge issued an injunction last week requiring the USPS to reverse those and other changes made by Postmaster General Louis DeJoy, calling them an "an intentional effort" by Trump and DeJoy "to disrupt and challenge the legitimacy of upcoming local, state, and federal elections."
Fourteen Democratic state attorneys general sued over DeJoy's initiative after Trump admitted it was meant to sabotage mail-in voting, while two additional lawsuits have been filed since then.
https://www.businessinsider.com/usps-not-possible-to-restore-dismantled-mail-sorting-machines-2020-9