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Nevilledog

(51,031 posts)
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 11:55 AM Aug 2021

This Woman Secretly Runs One of the World's Biggest Anti-Vax Websites From Her House



Tweet text:
David Gilbert
@daithaigilbert
OpenVAERS is a website that is presenting unverified federal data about vaccine deaths as fact.

It's become wildly popular in anti-vaxxer communities.

Now, thanks to research from @LogicallyAI, we can exclusively reveal who's running it

This Woman Secretly Runs One of the World's Biggest Anti-Vax Websites From Her House
By presenting unverified data as fact, OpenVAERS has become one of the most powerful tools in the anti-vaxxer community.
vice.com
7:08 AM · Aug 12, 2021


https://www.vice.com/en/article/qj8mm3/this-woman-secretly-runs-one-of-the-worlds-biggest-anti-vax-websites-from-her-house

An anti-vaxxer website which scrapes and misrepresents data from a government-run database has been spreading misinformation like wildfire through anti-vax communities for the last month. Now for the first time, the identity of the woman running the site has been revealed.

OpenVAERS, a site set up in early 2021 to spread vaccine misinformation by misusing federal data, is being operated by Liz Willner, 55, who lives in the wealthy enclave of Piedmont, a community completely surrounded by Oakland, California, according to new research conducted by AI-powered misinformation tracking group Logically, and shared exclusively with VICE News.

Willner, who did not respond to VICE News’ repeated efforts to contact her by phone, email and social media, admitted this week to Logically researchers that she was operating the site, though claimed she was one of a team of people behind it.

By presenting unverified data as fact, OpenVAERS has become one of the most powerful tools in the anti-vaxxer community. For example, the site on Thursday declared that over 12,000 people had died as a result of taking a COVID-19 vaccine. While that many deaths may have been reported to VAERS, the figure is completely unverified and proves no connection between the vaccine and the subsequent fatalities.

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This Woman Secretly Runs One of the World's Biggest Anti-Vax Websites From Her House (Original Post) Nevilledog Aug 2021 OP
The face of evil UpInArms Aug 2021 #1
What are the odds that she and her family are fully vaccinated? I bet she sterilizes everything too. TheBlackAdder Aug 2021 #13
Secret, no more. Baitball Blogger Aug 2021 #2
Nevilledog..... Upthevibe Aug 2021 #3
Shit, she lives here? wryter2000 Aug 2021 #4
My daughter lives in Fruitvale, but she has friends in Piedmont msfiddlestix Aug 2021 #46
She's killing people wryter2000 Aug 2021 #49
Right?!!!!! msfiddlestix Aug 2021 #50
Hope she's squirming a bit now that she has been outed. NoMoreRepugs Aug 2021 #5
I am curious as to who is paying for it cojoel Aug 2021 #6
If She's Generating That Much Traffic modrepub Aug 2021 #7
1.23 million visitors to its site in 6 months. progressoid Aug 2021 #27
she should be arrested rockfordfile Aug 2021 #8
Arrested - sure; Charged with ?; and Dan Aug 2021 #11
Sue Her Into Oblivion If You Lost An Unvaccinated Loved One DanieRains Aug 2021 #9
That an option Zeitghost Aug 2021 #55
what is her street address? Cryptoad Aug 2021 #10
OK so, go pick her up, find out that she's vaxxed, where the money is, and lindysalsagal Aug 2021 #12
Doesn't surprise me there are some in northern CA Tree Lady Aug 2021 #17
Does she have Jerry2144 Aug 2021 #14
They are "influencers" who add conspiracy theories TexasBushwhacker Aug 2021 #15
Imagine my surprise.... SergeStorms Aug 2021 #32
Does anybody have a link SpaceForceGeneral Aug 2021 #16
welcome to DU gopiscrap Aug 2021 #53
I hope everyone is careful and sends the well deserved hatred to the correct Liz Willner groundloop Aug 2021 #18
So how much money is she making off this shit.... turbinetree Aug 2021 #19
Lizabeth Pearl Willner has a lot of blood on her hands dalton99a Aug 2021 #20
OK, so where's snowybirdie Aug 2021 #21
Why do you want to know her address? egduj Aug 2021 #58
Should have snowybirdie Aug 2021 #59
What's the motive for spreading this disinformation? IronLionZion Aug 2021 #22
She looks like such a nice young woman. The banality of evil. Martin68 Aug 2021 #23
She's 55, not so young shanti Aug 2021 #33
you see the flag on the second pic? druidity33 Aug 2021 #41
"...set up in early 2021 to spread vaccine misinformation"? Grins Aug 2021 #24
AntiFA--meh.... but antiVA--those people are very dangerous. panader0 Aug 2021 #25
May she receive everything she deserves. niyad Aug 2021 #26
Agreed Rebl2 Aug 2021 #29
Went to her website & she's got a disclaimer........ KS Toronado Aug 2021 #28
This is listed as a .gov website. SergeStorms Aug 2021 #35
It's listed as https://www.openvaers.com/ KS Toronado Aug 2021 #42
She takes her data from a .gov site but hers is a .com. Here's more info from Media Bias/Fact Check ancianita Aug 2021 #43
Wow! Thanks. SergeStorms Aug 2021 #44
YW, Serge! ancianita Aug 2021 #45
Republicans, all. SergeStorms Aug 2021 #48
Follow the money... jmbar2 Aug 2021 #30
+1. Median home price in Piedmont CA: $2.3M dalton99a Aug 2021 #31
And we find Facebook and Instagram.... SergeStorms Aug 2021 #38
OVER 2 MILLION MURRICANS HAVE DIED..... Mustellus Aug 2021 #34
Look closely at her face& eyes. bearssoapbox Aug 2021 #36
find and follow her money to see who is behind her. ZonkerHarris Aug 2021 #37
We are. SergeStorms Aug 2021 #39
Baka yaro YoshidaYui Aug 2021 #40
I think I know her address and phone number Mary in S. Carolina Aug 2021 #47
don't do that Skittles Aug 2021 #51
That, and it's strictly prohibited in the pesky TOS Brother Buzz Aug 2021 #56
good Skittles Aug 2021 #57
wow... Demovictory9 Aug 2021 #52
Piedmont, Oakland. Yeah, this is my surprised face Sympthsical Aug 2021 #54

TheBlackAdder

(28,168 posts)
13. What are the odds that she and her family are fully vaccinated? I bet she sterilizes everything too.
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 01:11 PM
Aug 2021

wryter2000

(46,023 posts)
4. Shit, she lives here?
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 12:17 PM
Aug 2021

No, I don't live in Piedmont, but I live in Oakland. I hope her neighbors have a nice talk with her.

msfiddlestix

(7,271 posts)
46. My daughter lives in Fruitvale, but she has friends in Piedmont
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 03:52 PM
Aug 2021

gonna send this ditty to her, just in case her friends happen to know her....... etc,


These people bare a huge responsibility in the resurgence of this pandemic, imo,



wryter2000

(46,023 posts)
49. She's killing people
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 05:30 PM
Aug 2021

I have friends in Piedmont, too. One's a doctor. I'm sure she'd have a few choice words for this person.

msfiddlestix

(7,271 posts)
50. Right?!!!!!
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 08:30 PM
Aug 2021

I just now shared the Vice News article with her... with links.


these privileged freaks are killers.

modrepub

(3,491 posts)
7. If She's Generating That Much Traffic
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 12:58 PM
Aug 2021

it's probably self supporting. What's truly evil is if this person is making money off of churning this disinformation.

rockfordfile

(8,699 posts)
8. she should be arrested
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 01:01 PM
Aug 2021

"By presenting unverified data as fact" with regards to vaccinations during a world pandemic. By doing that gets people killed.

lindysalsagal

(20,592 posts)
12. OK so, go pick her up, find out that she's vaxxed, where the money is, and
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 01:10 PM
Aug 2021

make her plea deal require her to make video commercials admitting the scam and recommending vaxes. Just effing DO IT!!!!!

Tree Lady

(11,432 posts)
17. Doesn't surprise me there are some in northern CA
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 01:22 PM
Aug 2021

Who don't believe in vaccines, in natural supplements that type of thing. I believe in mind body but not to the point I don't trust doctors and real medicine.

Jerry2144

(2,081 posts)
14. Does she have
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 01:12 PM
Aug 2021

Any exposure to possible successful liability lawsuits? If her disinformation leads to a severe infection, can she be successfully sued? I know being a piece of excrement is not grounds to sue.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,148 posts)
15. They are "influencers" who add conspiracy theories
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 01:14 PM
Aug 2021

to their websites and social media accounts have at to generate hits.

SergeStorms

(19,187 posts)
32. Imagine my surprise....
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 02:23 PM
Aug 2021

when I researched what an "influencer" actually was, that they could make tons of money for doing it, and that people actually believe these "influencers'" bullshit without question.

Another wonderful offshoot of "social media", which may very well lead to the total downfall of society as we once knew it. 😡

16. Does anybody have a link
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 01:20 PM
Aug 2021

that describes the technology used to to locate this person? Seems like it could be interesting reading.

EDIT: Found it, in case anybody else is interested.
https://www.logically.ai/articles/california-woman-anti-vax-site-openvaers

groundloop

(11,514 posts)
18. I hope everyone is careful and sends the well deserved hatred to the correct Liz Willner
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 01:27 PM
Aug 2021

A quick search shows that there are several people with that name, I'd sure not want the wrong person to get any of the wrath the anti-vaxxer Liz Willner deserves.

druidity33

(6,445 posts)
41. you see the flag on the second pic?
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 03:02 PM
Aug 2021

Unfortunately it's a dead giveaway for Authoritarian/Fundie/whatever you want to call that 23% of our populace.



Grins

(7,199 posts)
24. "...set up in early 2021 to spread vaccine misinformation"?
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 01:51 PM
Aug 2021

"...set up in early 2021 to spread vaccine misinformation"?

After Trump took credit for it? After he got vaccinated with it? After he demanded credit for it? After he demanded Biden publicly THANK HIM for it?

Understanding Republicans is a real hard kick to the nuts.

KS Toronado

(17,157 posts)
28. Went to her website & she's got a disclaimer........
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 01:54 PM
Aug 2021

VAERS data available to the public include only the initial report data to VAERS. Updated data which contains data
from medical records and corrections reported during follow up are used by the government for analysis. However,
for numerous reasons including data consistency, these amended data are not available to the public.

So in other words, here's all the times someone complained to Barney Fife that a crime was being committed,
but no information on how many times he found an actual crook.

SergeStorms

(19,187 posts)
35. This is listed as a .gov website.
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 02:37 PM
Aug 2021

Is that legal? If she's not connected with the federal government and portrays that she is, can she be prosecuted?

She (they) certainly make the site look very official and legitimate.

If she's spreading total disinformation, why can't the site be attacked and blown to cyber smithereens?

KS Toronado

(17,157 posts)
42. It's listed as https://www.openvaers.com/
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 03:09 PM
Aug 2021

Believe the official website is www.cdc.gov which has a VAERS link.
If I had some cyber smithereens bullets, I'd use them on her site.

ancianita

(35,950 posts)
43. She takes her data from a .gov site but hers is a .com. Here's more info from Media Bias/Fact Check
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 03:18 PM
Aug 2021

It's a good fact check site, according to Wikipedia, so I use it.

MB/FC don't know who funds her, either, but imo, if law enforcement can't show probable cause for harm done beyond 1A spewing of misinformation, it's hard to say that she's legally liable.
One reason I'd love for her site to get brought down by DDoS.

from MB/FC:

Funded by / Ownership

Ownership is not disclosed on the website; however, on the FAQ page, they state, “OpenVAERS is a project developed by a small team of people with vaccine injuries or have children with vaccine injuries. We do not accept donations or solicit fees. There is zero monetization of this site.” ...

Bias

While the website does not alter information obtained from VAERS, they publish numbers on Covid-19 that may be misleading as these stats are not vetted and most likely are not accurate. For example, they list Covid Vaccine Deaths as over 11K as of today. They also list over 1000 miscarriages and close to 5000 heart attacks. This data may have been entered into VAERS, but there is zero evidence to support the validity of these claims.

The OpenVAERS website also features a blog that holds a right-leaning bias that promotes vaccine hesitation. For example, in this article OpenVAERS Call to Action written by the anonymous “The Arkivist,” they state, “The mainstream narrative completely fell apart this week. In spite of an aggressive propaganda campaign by the Biden White House, it is now clear that coronavirus “vaccines” do not stop infection, transmission, nor hospitalizations and deaths in the vaccinated.” Further, in this blog post, they take the literal VAERS numbers to promote misinformation such as this “these shots have produced four times more fatalities than the terrorist attacks on 9/11.” At this point, there is little evidence anyone has died as a direct result of the vaccine...

Overall, we rate OpenVAERS Right Biased based on editorial positions that advocate for conservative vaccine hesitancy. We also rate them Mixed for factual reporting based on taking unvetted data from VAERS literally and promoting misleading information based on the data. (D. Van Zandt 8/3/2021)

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/openvaers-bias/



SergeStorms

(19,187 posts)
44. Wow! Thanks.
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 03:36 PM
Aug 2021

And thanks for the mediabiasfactcheck.org address. Another tool for the old tool belt that I wasn't aware of. Thank you!

DU is such a great wealth of information. TRUTHFUL information.

ancianita

(35,950 posts)
45. YW, Serge!
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 03:44 PM
Aug 2021
I had to check them out because my unvaxxed daughter quoted VAERS months ago. VAERS has been around since 1990, but this opportunist ferreted out its input weirdness and decided to run with that in Jan of this year.

She's adjacent to the crazy billionaires of Miami, David and Leila Centner, who push the same anti-vaccine BS.
They were Trump's guests at the Ellipse, are friends of the famous anti-vaxxser, RFK, Jr..
They are heavy donors to Gov. DeSenseless.
They run a Miami school that called covid a hoax and penalized teachers for wearing masks.
Leila started the online conspiracy that merely being around other vaccinated people can cause reproductive problems in women.

I'm not claiming they fund her, but they're definitely in a mis/disinfo network of funders of crazy.

SergeStorms

(19,187 posts)
48. Republicans, all.
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 05:28 PM
Aug 2021

And republicans who don't care how many people die in order to further their nefarious goals. It's wealth, power, or both. That's all they care about.

Pro- life my ass!

Thanks again, ancianita.

SergeStorms

(19,187 posts)
38. And we find Facebook and Instagram....
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 02:46 PM
Aug 2021

the two largest "social media" giants (oh, I forgot the twits at Twitter) making tons of money for these "social media" darlings.

I wish someone would blow "social media" entirely off the map. They will lead to the downfall of society, because no one knows what the fuck the truth is anymore.

Mustellus

(328 posts)
34. OVER 2 MILLION MURRICANS HAVE DIED.....
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 02:36 PM
Aug 2021

if 150 million Americans have taken the vaccine in a year, and we all live our Biblical Threescore and Ten (70 years), then

2 MILLION AMERICANS WHO GOT VACCINATED HAVE DIED.

Now... out of those 2 million... how many were due to the vaccine?

bearssoapbox

(1,408 posts)
36. Look closely at her face& eyes.
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 02:41 PM
Aug 2021

Maybe, like other mass murderers and some serial killers she gets off on killing people.

SergeStorms

(19,187 posts)
39. We are.
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 02:53 PM
Aug 2021

Or should I say, those who follow her on mother-fucking "social media" are responsible.
Of course this wouldn't be possible without the owners of Facebook, Instagram, Twitter etc. who, I may add, are making shitloads of money from this piece of shit to begin with.

 

Mary in S. Carolina

(1,364 posts)
47. I think I know her address and phone number
Thu Aug 12, 2021, 03:59 PM
Aug 2021

Can I put on this link, I am afraid that I may be wrong, put I am pretty confident I am correct. Can I give it to someone and they check it out?

Brother Buzz

(36,389 posts)
56. That, and it's strictly prohibited in the pesky TOS
Sat Aug 14, 2021, 02:15 PM
Aug 2021
Don't post anyone's private or personal information

Don't post private or personal information about any person (including public figures) even if that information is available elsewhere on the Internet.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=termsofservice

Sympthsical

(9,041 posts)
54. Piedmont, Oakland. Yeah, this is my surprised face
Fri Aug 13, 2021, 02:06 AM
Aug 2021

We've had a problem with anti-vaxxers in the Bay Area for a long, long time.

So this doesn't surprise me even remotely.

I would not assume her politics, however. A lot of anti-vaxxers in the Bay Area are wealthy, white, liberal Democrats - a lot of this shit came out of Marin. The people who bring you awesome things like crystals and homeopathy. She could be a Trumper, but it's really not a given with that location.

If you want to know how much fun they are, especially within local school districts, read a copy of the play Eureka Day. It was written before Covid. Affluent parents making school boards' jobs a total nightmare. (Thanks, Jenny McCarthy!) It got so bad, the state passed Senate Bill 277 which eliminated personal belief exemptions for school vaccination requirements. I remember, about ten or so years ago, San Jose was having a hell of a time with these people.

Tired of these people. I had to deal with them constantly in my old job. Now they're everywhere.

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