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9 moderate House Democrats are bucking Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi. They are sending her a letter demanding that the House pass the 1 trillion dollar infrastructure bill and are demanding that that bill must be signed into law before they will vote for 3.5 trillion dollar bill. IMO if these moderates succeed in tying Speaker Pelosi's hands it is the death knell for the 3.5 trillion dollar bill.
I welcome comment.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Unlikely. Nancy knows what she's doing.
Celerity
(43,069 posts)against the £3.5 trillion reconciliation bill as is, and Ed Case of Hawaii is shaky. We only have a 2 vote margin atm (per MSNBC last night) as the TX Rethug Jake Ellzey was just sworn in to replace the COVID-killed Wright.
https://www.rollcall.com/2021/08/11/democrats-about-to-walk-budget-tightrope-in-house/
FBaggins
(26,714 posts)(CNN)Nine Democratic House moderates are threatening to withhold their support for their party's must-pass budget resolution until Speaker Nancy Pelosi changes course and instead allows their chamber to first vote on the $1.2 trillion bipartisan infrastructure plan the Senate approved this week.
Celerity
(43,069 posts)a meaningless fight to pick.
Unless they plan on (if the bi-partisan bill was passed now in the House as they are demanding) blocking the reconciliation big bill if it comes in over what they deem is acceptable. If they pull that stunt the entire Dem Caucus and Biden himself will come down on them like a tonne of bricks.
Pelosi is a vet and a master at this, she will never give them that chance to scupper such an enormously vital bill.
FBaggins
(26,714 posts)But they cant pass together because the larger bill cant pass until October (when the new year begins) and there has to be a resolution first that authorized the committees to put that larger budget together.
Celerity
(43,069 posts)is allowed. September 15th is Schumer's target date for the Senate Committees to finish writing the actual final legislation (barring amendments or changes demanded).
FBaggins
(26,714 posts)Budget bills have to start in the House and they have to pass a reconciliation bill in order for the Senate to use that to bypass a filibuster.
Celerity
(43,069 posts)sort it (maybe via a conference committee with the House after the Senate approves their version) and then BOTH chambers need to vote on the final Bill?
If so, is THAT (the final bill vote) when Pelosi will do both the 1.2 trillion bipartisan bill and the bog reconciliation bill?
Either way seems like a lot of chances for the Problem Solvers to cause.... problems.
Volaris
(10,266 posts)If we passed a massive publicly-funded elections tax as part of a voting rights bill, (to the point that it essentially undid citizens united), would it have enough of an economic impact that the voting rights bills can be jammed through on a reconciliation vote?
And dont both sides it, you know damn well if Mitch wanted it done for his own benefit, IT WOULD BE DONE, they'd FIND a way..
Celerity
(43,069 posts)of the voters rights bills can passed through reconciliation.
What I found to be pure bullshit was the Parliamentarian saying that a 15 USD minimum wage would not have a significant impact on government balance sheets to qualify. Ludicrous, as the increased tax revenues from higher salaries would be massive. Also bullshit is the non inclusion of student debt relief, which would have qualified. A lot of people in my age cohort ( I was born in 1996, so let's call it 18 to 40) were very driven to the polls by student debt relief (like the 10k USD at least that Biden campaigned on the entire time) and also the free first 2 years of public college tuition (Biden for years said 4 year at a public school, but lowered it when he declared for POTUS) .
I see many on this board (draw-bridgers I call them) say that even the 10K USD in relief should not be given, nor the free first 2 years of uni. Big mistake, especially as we have control (albeit barely) of Congress and the POTUS. I have been waiting for 7, 8 months for Biden's lawyers to say if he can do it via executive order (most all, bar a few, constitutional lawyers have said yes, as there is a clause in the statutes that is easily seen as granting him the power). If those 2 things are just blown off, that is hardly a way to energise Gen Z and the Millennial (and even older) voters in 2022. Not after they were inundated with those promises over and over (especially when the GA seats held the Senate control in their hands. The Millennial gen is just fucked financially overall, save for a group of high income earners who artificially jack up the average earnings. As a last year (1996) Millennial (I prefer Zennial, ie. a micro bridge Gen born from 1992 to 1998) I can attest to many of my peers struggling like hell, even before the pandemic.
FBaggins
(26,714 posts)brooklynite
(94,302 posts)Apparently hearing bad news is troubling.
FBaggins
(26,714 posts)Without any theory on how.
Celerity
(43,069 posts)centrists (and Blue Dogs who overlap caucuses with them) have been threatening this since June (maybe earlier).
I so do not envy Pelosi (down to a 2 vote margin atm) and Schumer (no vote margin) atm. Balancing a thousand angels on the head of a Blue pin. If anyone can pull it off it is those 2 plus Biden. Well over 100 years combined Congressional experience, and Biden's head staffers are so experienced too.
I think it will all work out in the end. I do not get a feeling of doom at all.
Now, the voting rights bills, well, cannot say the same, but I have hope Sinema, Manchin, Feinstein, and whatever other foot-draggers there are cave in and allow a filibuster exception.
Elessar Zappa
(13,896 posts)this kind of stuff is normal. Pelosi is a master at what she does. I have absolutely no doubt that in the end, well get a good reconciliation bill. It will be massive and a very big deal.
FBaggins
(26,714 posts)A 20 seat majority gives her leverage that she lacks with a three seat majority
Elessar Zappa
(13,896 posts)that a good bill will ultimately pass. It will be negotiated down a bit but will still be significant.
FBaggins
(26,714 posts)That something will pass and no matter how badly it gets changed, it will be spun as a good bill.
Elessar Zappa
(13,896 posts)Even if they get half of what the bill is currently, it will be good for the country.
FBaggins
(26,714 posts)Some progressives are saying that 3.5 isnt big enough and youre saying that half that much will still be a good bill.
I happen to agree with you (depending on what its spent on), but I doubt that most would perceive that as a win.
Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)Congress. And the house majority is due to the moderates winning in 2018
Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)doc03
(35,293 posts)Hurricanes, ED drugs and extended car warranties.
FBaggins
(26,714 posts)The nine democrats released the letter to the media intentionally.
MFGsunny
(2,356 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(144,890 posts)Politicub
(12,165 posts)LOL. It's the moderates that will get you, every time.
Progressives come home to roost. It's what we do as a practical matter.
Whereas moderates, otoh, seem to be able to gum up the works -- not just rhetorically -- and somehow always be excused for their bad behavior.
I'm not surprised. I'm nearing 50, and this is how things have been since I started paying attention as an idealistic teenager. Progressives have always needed to be more creative to make incremental change.