Moderate House Democrats rebelling

[gab13by13]

9 moderate House Democrats are bucking Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi. They are sending her a letter demanding that the House pass the 1 trillion dollar infrastructure bill and are demanding that that bill must be signed into law before they will vote for 3.5 trillion dollar bill. IMO if these moderates succeed in tying Speaker Pelosi's hands it is the death knell for the 3.5 trillion dollar bill.

I welcome comment.

[NurseJackie]

1. Unlikely. Nancy knows what she's doing.

MO if these moderates succeed in tying Speaker Pelosi's hands it is the death knell for the 3.5 trillion dollar bill.

"these moderates" ...

Unlikely. Nancy knows what she's doing.

[Celerity]

2. link? I have seen this for days, but figure you saw something new. Kurt Schrader (OR) said he is

against the £3.5 trillion reconciliation bill as is, and Ed Case of Hawaii is shaky. We only have a 2 vote margin atm (per MSNBC last night) as the TX Rethug Jake Ellzey was just sworn in to replace the COVID-killed Wright.

https://www.rollcall.com/2021/08/11/democrats-about-to-walk-budget-tightrope-in-house/

[FBaggins]

4. From CNN

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/13/politics/house-moderate-democrats-infrastructure-strategy/index.html

(CNN)Nine Democratic House moderates are threatening to withhold their support for their party's must-pass budget resolution until Speaker Nancy Pelosi changes course and instead allows their chamber to first vote on the $1.2 trillion bipartisan infrastructure plan the Senate approved this week.

[Celerity]

6. I have no idea why they cannot just wait and pass them together. Seems

a meaningless fight to pick.

Unless they plan on (if the bi-partisan bill was passed now in the House as they are demanding) blocking the reconciliation big bill if it comes in over what they deem is acceptable. If they pull that stunt the entire Dem Caucus and Biden himself will come down on them like a tonne of bricks.

Pelosi is a vet and a master at this, she will never give them that chance to scupper such an enormously vital bill.

[FBaggins]

8. I think that is indeed what they plan

But they can’t pass together because the larger bill can’t pass until October (when the new year begins) and there has to be a resolution first that authorized the committees to put that larger budget together.

[Celerity]

13. Yes, as the fiscal year ends on September 30th, and then a new reconciliation bill

is allowed. September 15th is Schumer's target date for the Senate Committees to finish writing the actual final legislation (barring amendments or changes demanded).

[FBaggins]

15. Important to remember that reconciliation is not just a Senate thing

Budget bills have to start in the House and they have to pass a reconciliation bill in order for the Senate to use that to bypass a filibuster.

[Celerity]

18. So there is a vote in the House, then it goes to the Senate, they

sort it (maybe via a conference committee with the House after the Senate approves their version) and then BOTH chambers need to vote on the final Bill?

If so, is THAT (the final bill vote) when Pelosi will do both the 1.2 trillion bipartisan bill and the bog reconciliation bill?

Either way seems like a lot of chances for the Problem Solvers to cause.... problems.

[Volaris]

21. They get 2 reconciliation bills per cycle (or per year--i dont remember which), right?

If we passed a massive publicly-funded elections tax as part of a voting rights bill, (to the point that it essentially undid citizens united), would it have enough of an economic impact that the voting rights bills can be jammed through on a reconciliation vote?

And dont both sides it, you know damn well if Mitch wanted it done for his own benefit, IT WOULD BE DONE, they'd FIND a way..

[Celerity]

24. I have heard over 20 constitutional lawyers and experts say for ages that none

of the voters rights bills can passed through reconciliation.

What I found to be pure bullshit was the Parliamentarian saying that a 15 USD minimum wage would not have a significant impact on government balance sheets to qualify. Ludicrous, as the increased tax revenues from higher salaries would be massive. Also bullshit is the non inclusion of student debt relief, which would have qualified. A lot of people in my age cohort ( I was born in 1996, so let's call it 18 to 40) were very driven to the polls by student debt relief (like the 10k USD at least that Biden campaigned on the entire time) and also the free first 2 years of public college tuition (Biden for years said 4 year at a public school, but lowered it when he declared for POTUS) .

I see many on this board (draw-bridgers I call them) say that even the 10K USD in relief should not be given, nor the free first 2 years of uni. Big mistake, especially as we have control (albeit barely) of Congress and the POTUS. I have been waiting for 7, 8 months for Biden's lawyers to say if he can do it via executive order (most all, bar a few, constitutional lawyers have said yes, as there is a clause in the statutes that is easily seen as granting him the power). If those 2 things are just blown off, that is hardly a way to energise Gen Z and the Millennial (and even older) voters in 2022. Not after they were inundated with those promises over and over (especially when the GA seats held the Senate control in their hands. The Millennial gen is just fucked financially overall, save for a group of high income earners who artificially jack up the average earnings. As a last year (1996) Millennial (I prefer Zennial, ie. a micro bridge Gen born from 1992 to 1998) I can attest to many of my peers struggling like hell, even before the pandemic.

[FBaggins]

3. Shouldn't that be "revolting"? nt

[brooklynite]

5. Just an observation that I posted this as an issue earlier this week and people complained...

Apparently hearing bad news is troubling.

[FBaggins]

9. Same here. The answer is always "Nancy has got this"

Without any theory on how.

[Celerity]

11. You had a completely legitimate right to post it then. The Problem Solvers

centrists (and Blue Dogs who overlap caucuses with them) have been threatening this since June (maybe earlier).

I so do not envy Pelosi (down to a 2 vote margin atm) and Schumer (no vote margin) atm. Balancing a thousand angels on the head of a Blue pin. If anyone can pull it off it is those 2 plus Biden. Well over 100 years combined Congressional experience, and Biden's head staffers are so experienced too.

I think it will all work out in the end. I do not get a feeling of doom at all.

Now, the voting rights bills, well, cannot say the same, but I have hope Sinema, Manchin, Feinstein, and whatever other foot-draggers there are cave in and allow a filibuster exception.

[Elessar Zappa]

7. As I said on the other thread,

this kind of stuff is normal. Pelosi is a master at what she does. I have absolutely no doubt that in the end, we’ll get a good reconciliation bill. It will be massive and a very big deal.

[FBaggins]

10. Masters have to have material to work with

A 20 seat majority gives her leverage that she lacks with a three seat majority

[Elessar Zappa]

12. I would bet money

that a good bill will ultimately pass. It will be negotiated down a bit but will still be significant.

[FBaggins]

14. Oh... I would bet money too

That something will pass… and no matter how badly it gets changed, it will be spun as a good bill.

[Elessar Zappa]

16. I don't think they'll have to spin anything.

Even if they get half of what the bill is currently, it will be good for the country.

[FBaggins]

17. I think you just did

Some progressives are saying that 3.5 isn’t big enough and you’re saying that half that much will still be a good bill.

I happen to agree with you (depending on what it’s spent on), but I doubt that most would perceive that as a win.

[Demsrule86]

23. Then they are not being realistic, we don't have large majorities in either branch of

Congress. And the house majority is due to the moderates winning in 2018

[Demsrule86]

25. At this point anything is better than nothing...might help us at the midterms.

[doc03]

19. The MSM has to create some kind of drama to sell their

Hurricanes, ED drugs and extended car warranties.

[FBaggins]

20. It isn't the MSM creating drama

The nine democrats released the letter to the media intentionally.

[MFGsunny]

22. Letter from 9 Democrats to Pelosi at link below.

LINK

https://punchbowl.news/wp-content/uploads/Letter-to-Pelosi-re-Infra-Vote-2021-08-12-2.pdf

[LetMyPeopleVote]

26. Pass the bipartisan bill now

[Politicub]

27. And, I was just lectured yesterday that progressives are the problem.

LOL. It's the moderates that will get you, every time.

Progressives come home to roost. It's what we do as a practical matter.

Whereas moderates, otoh, seem to be able to gum up the works -- not just rhetorically -- and somehow always be excused for their bad behavior.

I'm not surprised. I'm nearing 50, and this is how things have been since I started paying attention as an idealistic teenager. Progressives have always needed to be more creative to make incremental change.