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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat's the deal with the Afghan army? A heard a report that they are "melting away"...
Were we being played by them all along? They are offering up little resistance against the Taliban. Were we paying the Afghan troops?
paleotn
(17,911 posts)And never chose to learn. Their world doesnt work like ours. Beyond that, its complicated. And inevitable.
zuul
(14,624 posts)Thomas Hurt
(13,903 posts)Not to mention whatever was left behind. If it wasn't looted by civilians that is.
I suspect we provided a standing regular army to the Taliban leadership.
Corgigal
(9,291 posts)Should have never went in. Family and I marched in Washington against it. Contacted everyone I could, nothing mattered.
Of course, it was going to end like this. The locals just wanted a paycheck, joined up with us, They knew we would leave one day, and they are right. I feel sorry for the children, but maybe this wouldnt have happened, if we didnt stay there for 20 years. Media is caring now, they didnt for ten years.
MineralMan
(146,286 posts)Only as long as we had troops there and could offer air support could the Afghan military remain in control. Independently, they cannot.
It didn't matter when we left. As soon as we did, the Taliban was bound to take control. Anyone who has watched that region for very long could predict that.
It is a shame, but no amount of time would be enough for the US, or any other nation, to stabilize the situation in Afghanistan. Nobody has ever been able to do that from outside of the region. Many have tried. None have succeeded.
We, and others in Western nations, do not understand the dynamics in the Middle East. We simply do not, so we fail every time we try to put our ideas of government in place there.
It always was a waste of our time, military, and money. The locals will decide who is in power, not us.
brooklynite
(94,502 posts)Brother Buzz
(36,416 posts)Even during the Soviet era, desertion was rampant
ansible
(1,718 posts)Who do you think will win?
Javaman
(62,517 posts)we gave cover to the lie.
a rebel army's mission isn't to win, but not to lose.
they did not lose and just waited us out.
cilla4progress
(24,726 posts)greatly.
BlueTsunami2018
(3,490 posts)This is what they want and so this is what theyll have. What an incredible waste it was for us to be there.
haele
(12,647 posts)A weak and corrupt Afghan government with too many "leaders" propped up by corporations and the resource interests of other nations (China, India, Russia, US) that did not actually attempt to govern or attempt build a country and a middle class worth fighting for.
When the government doesn't really believe in overarching rights and legal status for everyone, then how many people are willing to fight for it?
Certainly not the majority of people coming from villages where there are few opportunities for advancement other than becoming a local "head man", who when they join the Army or become a government employee, are looked down upon because they are provincial and not from one of the "good families" or educated in one of the cities.
In our own Civil War, the South had similar problems with poor whites and the unspoken caste systems in their Army and Confederate government. Once a soldier was no longer in a "local" unit with fellows they knew or grew up in the same area, his chance of just going AWOL and heading back home significantly increased.
Respect and comraderie are significant reasons to continue to fight. The sad thing is that the average male Afghan soldier believes he will get the same rights and respect under a Taliban government as he would under a "democratic" government like the current one. His "warlord" will treat him like kin; lesser, true, but still in line for praise and rewards if he does his job. Plus, he gets to loot to offset his pay.
That's what our Army training couldn't overcome. The cultural barriers were enormous, and our State department was hobbled by Conservative and corporate interests when trying to do the hard work of turning a culture of privileged autocracy into a Democracy that would treat the various tribes in such a way that everyone saw opportunities and advancements.
Just my two cents.
Haele
SharonClark
(10,014 posts)Before - Tribalism and corruption.
Now - Tribalism, corruption, and for some, a desire to survive.
Amishman
(5,555 posts)Give our own gunners and nuts a chance to sign up, ship em over there with their assault rifles, and let them and the Taliban shoot each other
Shanti Shanti Shanti
(12,047 posts)Thats our "nation building" shit again