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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsFlorida woman on a business Zoom call shot and killed by her toddler.
Toddler shoots, kills mom during video call after finding gun, Florida police sayThe 21-year-old woman was shot in the head during a Zoom call, and Altamonte Springs police believe a toddler found an unsecured gun.
A toddler in Florida fatally shot a woman during a video call after finding an unsecured handgun, police said Thursday.
Someone on the work-related Zoom conference called 911 and reported that they had seen a toddler and heard a noise before the woman, Shamaya Lynn, fell backward, police said in a statement.
Lynn, 21, was killed Wednesday in Altamonte Springs, near Orlando.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/toddler-shoots-kills-mom-during-video-call-after-finding-gun-n1276722
Holy crap.
🥵🔫
HAB911
(8,890 posts)hatrack
(59,584 posts)Jesus wept.
RussBLib
(9,006 posts)so many ways to die
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)From the NBC link:
Because really, what else can be done in such a tragic situation? Officer Ruiz went so far as to say "please," and that's really above and beyond, isn't it? So sad, but damn if we're going to do fuck-all about reducing the chances of it happening again.
SoCalDavidS
(9,998 posts)I want my fucking Guns, and I don't want to wear a mask.
But I'm a good person.
Bullshit!
malaise
(268,952 posts)That names sounds very Jamaican
malaise
(268,952 posts)That names sounds very Jamaican
Fullduplexxx
(7,860 posts)pwb
(11,261 posts)a toddler to fire it. This was preventable. That kid has to live with this now. FM.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)The gun manufacturer can now truthfully advertise that its product is so easy to operate, a child could do it! Or a toddler. Just don't ask any nosy questions about how the manufacturer knows this to be true.
Klaralven
(7,510 posts)Investigators said the handgun belonged to the father of the victim's two young children, the station reported. Neither child was injured.
SoCalDavidS
(9,998 posts)That child is going to grow up and eventually learn, that they were the one who killed their mother. The psychological damage done will last forever.
SoCalDavidS
(9,998 posts)'Cause since it's FL, I know they're not gonna charge the father, and the mother's dead.
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,417 posts){snip}
Mens rea ( /ˈmɛnz ˈreɪə/; Law Latin for "guilty mind" ) is the mental element of a person's intention to commit a crime; or knowledge that one's action or lack of action would cause a crime to be committed. It is a necessary element of many crimes.
The standard common law test of criminal liability is expressed in the Latin phrase actus reus non facit reum nisi mens sit rea, i.e. "the act is not culpable unless the mind is guilty". As a general rule, someone who acted without mental fault is not liable in criminal law. Exceptions are known as strict liability crimes. Moreover, when a person intends a harm, but because of bad aim or other cause, the intent is transferred from an intended victim to an unintended victim, the case is considered to be a matter of transferred intent.
In civil law, it is usually not necessary to prove a subjective mental element to establish liability for breach of contract or tort, for example. But if a tort is intentionally committed or a contract is intentionally breached, such intent may increase the scope of liability and the damages payable to the plaintiff.
In some jurisdictions, the terms mens rea and actus reus have been replaced by alternative terminology.
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Bayard
(22,062 posts)But they don't actually have video of the kid making the kill shot.
LonePirate
(13,417 posts)stillcool
(32,626 posts)In North Carolina in February, a 25-year-old mother of five was inadvertently shot and killed after her children found a gun in her purse, police in the town of Cornelius said.
In April, a 3-year-old boy in Houston found an unsecured firearm and fatally shot his 8-month-old brother, police said.
Xavier Breath
(3,625 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)This could have been avoided if she'd had more toddlers and more guns.
Sancho
(9,067 posts)This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that werent secured are out of control in our society. As such, heres what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. Im not debating the legal language, I just think its the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because its clear that they should never have had a gun.
1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learners license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.
Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a drivers license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.