Fair nor not, what happens in the next ten days is going to make or break Biden's presidency

[Ex Lurker]

I hope he has a handle on the Afghanistan situation.

[poli-junkie]

1. Oh pullleez

[gab13by13]

2. I don't think so.

The Afghan army won't fight.

[applegrove]

3. Nope. This is on Trump. He is the one to make human rights no longer germaine

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in his dealings.

[AngryOldDem]

56. I'd take it back to George Bush.

Everybody knew this was a mistake 20 years ago.

[Victor_c3]

59. I hate to disagree with you, but I think history will ignore facts

And place the blame on Biden as it occurred during his presidency.

But, with the American people, I’m willing to bet everyone will seem to forget about the fall of Afghanistan and move on to some other outrage in another week or two. Perhaps I’m too cynical, but I’m sure mostAmericans probably already forgot where Afghanistan is and probably didn’t realize that we were still even in that country 20 years after the war started there.

Look at the Bush recession of 2007. It happened at the end of his presidency yet many people place blame for it on Obama.

[Hekate]

4. You mean the pandemic won't be what does it?

Trump left us a cesspool, and we want Biden to fix it or else. Nice.

[Phoenix61]

5. Ummm, no. nt

[NewHendoLib]

6. uh... nope.

[roamer65]

7. Most Americans simply want us out of there.

I don’t think they really care how it happens, sadly.

[Mr.Bill]

9. The only thing that would look real bad for Biden

is if a whole lot of non-military Americans like embassy workers get killed.

[Ex Lurker]

10. There are an estimated 10000 western civilians in Kabul, mostly Americans. NT

[former9thward]

22. Why?

They have been told to leave.

[Ex Lurker]

23. Maybe they felt a moral obligation to the people they were helping

maybe it was hard to get a flight out. Maybe they thought they had more time. Whatever the reason, they're there.

[former9thward]

25. No excuse.

They were told to leave. They should be at the Kabul airport waiting for a flight out. At this point its on them. Just like the unvaxx. If their "moral obligations" tells them to be in harms way no matter what common sense says then it is on them.

[Jspur]

29. Agreed I have always found US civilians who put themselves

in these type of situations as being profoundly stupid. You gotta accept reality and leave when you are told to leave regardless of how you morally feel about the situation. It reminds me of those journalist that risked their lives and got killed in middle east countries to get a story. I felt bad for the journalists but didn't feel the US government should have been blamed for their deaths since they put themselves in that situation.

It also pissed me off when Obama got blamed for that death of that young 19-20 year old kid who went on a vacation trip in North Korea. That kid was stupid for going there in the first place. When you play with fire you always put yourself at risk of getting burned.

[CentralMass]

40. There seems to be an awful lot salesmanship on this going on.

The civilians of Afghanistan and any US citizens in the country are not at blame for this.

[helpisontheway]

63. And it is not Biden's fault if the Americans get killed or captured

They were told to leave. Period. If they choose to stay for whatever reason that is on them.

[muriel_volestrangler]

52. They were told the military withdrawal would be by the end of the month

It's not like there are regular commercial flights with spaces on that they can all just book when it turns out the Taliban has overwhelmed the Afghan military before then.

People in Afghanistan working for NGOs and embassies, and the media, are not "just like the unvaxx". That's a ridiculous thing to say.

[helpisontheway]

62. Exactly..nt

[budkin]

8. Nope

Even MAGA agrees with abandoning that place.

[Mme. Defarge]

11. Are you sure?

Methinks thou dost protest too much.

[Ex Lurker]

14. Hopefully I've been here long enough

to allay any suspicion of being a concern troll.

[littlemissmartypants]

18. Things can change. nt

[Polly Hennessey]

12. I doubt it.

He cannot force the Afghan army to fight.

[Music Man]

13. Although it's depressing to see 20 years of sacrifice topple so quickly,

I do think the vast majority of Americans understand that this situation further shows how we need to be gone. Oddly, skepticism about nation-building has been something that Republicans and Democrats are coming to some agreement on in recent years.

The ones who will be outraged by Afghanistan's fall are Fox News anchors. They can't wait to pin this on Biden. I wouldn't worry beyond that.

[Mr.Bill]

17. Yeah, so much for W's "crusade".

I believe he actually though the Middle East would be Methodists by now.

[Grasswire2]

42. LOL

While his dad and his VP and cabinet were like hogs at the trough lapping up profits for their various business interests and investments. Halliburton, Carlyle Group, etc.

[ornotna]

15. Swing and a miss!

Seriously doubt this one thing will define his presidency.

[stopdiggin]

16. the American people are in general pretty

insular, and pretty ill informed. Disasters in far away places don't have a lot of pull. Covid (and any measures taken to address) is, IMO, a much bigger player. There is also the fact that despite the loss of life (to, once again, brown skinned people that live far away) the pull out of American troops is largely popular with the American people, across the political spectrum.

[UnderThisLaw]

19. .

[Tetrachloride]

20. I am more in agreement with ExLurker than most of you

Moreover, I am physically closer to Afghanistan than 99 percent of active DU members.

My job of the past full year has been helping a few people of my region not get beat up. Its not big but it’s what I do.

I can only imagine what I will be called upon to do from now on.

[Hekate]

24. Stay safe

[Elessar Zappa]

21. Most Americans

are sick of our foreign adventures. This won’t hurt Biden at all.

[ansible]

26. If this turns into another Black Hawk Down/Mogadishu incident we're fucked BIG TIME

Americans don't really about afghans but seeing americans getting killed and dragged on the streets is going to be very bad.

[dweller]

27. Don't worry, once this has passed

There will be another ‘issue’ that will ‘make or break his presidency’

Here we are coming up on his 8th month … somethings GOTTA give

✌🏻

[NYC Liberal]

35. It was over when he wore a Rolex!

[dweller]

37. At least it wasn't a French condiment!1!

Or god forbid a tan su …. Wait, nevermind 😑


✌🏻

[Stuart G]

28. Nope.

[brooklynite]

30. The average voter doesn't care about Afghanistan.

[Jspur]

31. It's usually economic factors that prevents a second term from

happening. We saw it with Carter and Bush 1. I know some will argue it was the Iran hostage situation that took out Carter but it also didn't help hat America had terrible inflation back then.

[USALiberal]

32. Parody?? Nt

[PortTack]

33. No..Biden is doing the right thing

[Eko]

34. Out of the three presidents that couldn't get this right

The last and Democratic one is at fault. Jezus.
Sorry, 4.

[underthematrix]

36. The Afghan situation is actually a critical thinking exercise

Link to tweet

[kelly1mm]

38. Americans really don't care about brown people

Dying and their daughters being taken into sexual slavery so no, the President’s legacy will not be based on Afghanistan.

[VarryOn]

39. Every President since Bush II had a chance to end the Afghanistan s***show...

They didn't. That's on them. President Biden decided to rip the bandaid off. It needed to be done, and most Americans agree with doing so. If there ever was a shithole country list (and we all have our own list!), Afghanistan is on it.

My only complaint is not evacuating the interpreters and embassy beforehand.

[jcgoldie]

41. A wise man once said...

That's a bunch of Malarkey!

[rockfordfile]

43. No. If anything, practically everybody is thinking about time to leave.

There's loads of video with Reagan and gop with the Taliban.

[jmowreader]

50. Those videos were with Osama bin Laden, not the Taliban

The Taliban didn’t exist until 1994.

[keithbvadu2]

44. Trump blamed Dubya for not having it an exit strategy. What is your exit strategy, Dotard?

Trump blamed Dubya for not having it an exit strategy. What is your exit strategy, Dotard?

[StevieM]

46. I expect President Biden to run for re-election and to win re-election. (eom)

[JoanofArgh]

47. Nobody gives a shit . Most Americans wanted out

of that money- wasting lost cause quagmire, including American soldiers. Only people complaining are associated with the defense industry.

[tenderfoot]

51. and are right wingers to begin with...

no matter how much feigned concern for women they have.

[Deminpenn]

48. No it's not

The end won't be pretty, but the vast majority of Americans want to be done with this needless 20 year adventure.

[GoneOffShore]

49. Thanks for your concern.

[Skittles]

53. that would be a big fat negative

hideously bad so far....YES we needed to get out, but WTF, did they forget about the embassy?

[AngryOldDem]

54. It was a hard decision. But a right one..

That’s why he’s in the office he’s in.

I’m glad to see a president take decisive action, explain it, and then stand by it.

[vercetti2021]

55. No it won't

Trump made the policy to pull out, it transferred to Biden's admin. It's over, it needed to end. 20 years is enough.

[Earth-shine]

57. Whether it's Biden's fault, Trump's fault, or that of the Afghan army, the international optics ...

are terrible for us.

I'm listening to talking heads on CNN saying things like, "I could have predicted these Taliban incursions, why didn't US intelligence?"

[janterry]

58. Honestly, this isn't about his legacy it's about the women

and children (especially)

but also about the men who will be killed and tortured. I'm very sad. I don't opine about this much, because it's such a difficult situation. But as a woman, I am looking particularly at others of my sex - in Afghanistan........I'm very worried.

[denbot]

60. LoL, he did..

This veteran thanks you for your concern.

[tavernier]

61. No. He conquered the Tan Suit crisis.

He’ll be fine.