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Your tax dollars at work!
Ghani, whose current whereabouts are unknown, said he left Afghanistan on Sunday as the Taliban entered Kabul virtually unopposed. He said he wanted to avoid bloodshed.
XanaDUer2
(10,626 posts)BannonsLiver
(16,342 posts)An Army that wont fight and a president who couldnt lead. Remind me again why I should care more about their country than they do.
padah513
(2,498 posts)greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)Can you imagine the insane quadruple dealing Karzai must have been up to to actually stay in Afghanistan now? Total fucking clown show.
JT45242
(2,258 posts)We propped a corrupt leader. He stole the money that was supposed to go to locals.
So the locals, traded american made weapons for food and money. Which the Taliban then used to threaten the next town with even more weapons courtesy of our tax dollars. Rinse and repeat.
When you back a corrupt leader -- no one is loyal and willing to fight. Particularly in a society that was going to allow the men to go about their lives if they gave up the American weapons.
Maybe a less corrupt leader could have won the hearts and minds of the people in the provinces -- we'll never know as they never had one in basically any country that we propped a leader.
FakeNoose
(32,612 posts)Can't say that for the rest of the Afghanis though.
Scrivener7
(50,934 posts)If Russia is saying it, I would not put money on it.
Xoan
(25,315 posts)Scary it took so long for someone to state the obvious.
Silent3
(15,178 posts)...so a Reuters report filed from Moscow, not necessary from the Putin-controlled press. Still, an odd place to be reporting this story from.
Scrivener7
(50,934 posts)Silent3
(15,178 posts)...I don't at all doubt the corruption of the former Afghan government.
Jilly_in_VA
(9,962 posts)Reminds me of a story from my high school days though. I had a high school classmate who was a refugee from Venezuela---not the usual kind, you understand. His dad had been a high-up in the government of Marcos Perez Jiménez (anyone remember him? He was a few dictators ago). Anyway, This boy's dad got caught with quite a number of gold bars in his luggage when he entered the country. His excuse? "I didn't know it was illegal to bring them in."
ret5hd
(20,486 posts)Venezuela with gold bars, but it is not illegal to enter the u.s. with them.
They do need to be declared.
You can enter or leave the USA with all the valuables you wish. You only have to declare them. There is no law prohibiting anyone from bringing negotiables (gold bars count) in or out.
Jilly_in_VA
(9,962 posts)he hadn't declared them. "I didn't know I had to." My memory isn't what it was. Chips are getting full. Anyway we kidded Cecilio about the gold bars, which wasn't exactly fair...or nice.
DFW
(54,326 posts)One should know by pure common sense that when you have the slightest doubt, ask and declare. If its of no interest to them, Customs will be glad to let you knowless paperwork for them!
LeftInTX
(25,201 posts)Jilly_in_VA
(9,962 posts)Just like Ghani. /s
CanonRay
(14,093 posts)A mere pittance
WarGamer
(12,423 posts)pwb
(11,258 posts)They are the ones running scared.
DFW
(54,326 posts)I know a guy with a business address in Scandinavia (he is originally from Southern Europe) who has bought untold thousands of gold, silver, and copper ancient coins from the Taliban reps in Copenhagen over the last 20 years. Whenever they loot museums or find caches uncovered by bombs detonating around Afghanistan, they don't destroy them any more (Bamian BUddhas, e.g.). They have since wised up plenty. Even though Islam supposedly forbids depiction of humans, even on coins, they no longer destroy them, but sell them to "the infidels." It brings them way more money with which to buy arms. In Stalin Putin trusts. All other pay cash.,
leftstreet
(36,102 posts)Not important, just wondering if those countries have laws about trading in antiquities etc
DFW
(54,326 posts)They mainly wanted a law that addressed famous old German Masters (Dürer, e.g.). They included coins because the Culture Minister at the time, a Social Democrat, i.e. the coalition's "junior" partner wanted to flex some muscle. So they hired exactly zero experts in numismatics and made the law so vague as to be virtually unenforceable. Germany was a huge crossroads for ancient coins dug up in Greece, Turkey and Bulgaria, and they didn't want to lose out on the taxes of the profits, so they made only symbolic interventions in the market. They had no idea what they were doing, so it wasn't difficult to lay low. An old master painting is a unique item. It's way more difficult to police a coin of which hundreds or thousands were already on the market decades before the finds in Afghanistan. They all look alike, after all. One from a collection from the year 1846 looks exactly like the one sold by the Taliban two years ago, and now being offered on eBay or some home shopping channel.
The antiquities trading laws were designed to curtail smuggled artifacts of rarity, not coins of which hundreds or thousands were already traded in collector circles over the last two centuries. There were hardly any coins founds worth in the thousands, but there WERE many thousands of cheaper ones. They are easier to transport than fragile pottery, impossible to distinguish from legally owned identical coins, and therefore easily traded, and imported/exported without restriction. This actually is the best policy, as sending a culture Gestapo out to police something they can't possibly identify, understand or enforce is stupid, and a wast of resources.
It isn't the black market once these coins are legally imported into Scandinavia. They certainly have no cultural significance to the Scandinavians, or, really, to any other Europeans. Considering the quantities, they don't really have any cultural significance to the Afghans, Indians or Greeks, due to the sheer quantity. These are not rarities that can be considered theft of the country's cultural heritage. Museums there still have thousands of these things hidden from the public laying in their cellars.
Same goes for Greece, Italy and Turkey, for that matter. If the museums there can confiscate coins subject to export restrictions, they will, but they will just disappear into some museum cellar until some corrupt museum official decides he needs some extra cash. The really cool stuff remains on display, but the "duplicates" languish in storage facilities gathering dust. If two thousand of some popular ancient gold coin (say, an Alexander the Great gold stater) are in some musty sack in Thessaloniki or Athens somewhere, and some museum official decides he needs a new house, well if that sack suddenly is 200 coins light, it could be 150 years before anyone notices. Alexander gold staters are popular, but not rare (current market about $2500 wholesale for a decent piece). A hundred or two new pieces showing up, divided between the markets in Germany, England and the USA, wouldn't even raise an eyebrow, and groups of them are still being found.
if only I had a sack of coins for a new house...
Thanks for taking the time to explain all of that
I know many of the players on the European and American ends, so I could explain in a little detail
jmowreader
(50,546 posts)Ashraf Ghani is about to be the next subject of 419 scams... "I need your help to repatriate the $127 million remaining in Afghanistan after I was forced out of office by the evil Taliban regime."