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Biden: Evacuation delayed b/c some didn't want to go, & Afghan govt didn't want crisis of confidence (Original Post) highplainsdem Aug 2021 OP
Post removed Post removed Aug 2021 #1
Excuse me? NewsCenter28 Aug 2021 #3
Oh for God's sake greenjar_01 Aug 2021 #8
All you're doing is right-wing crap. It's all because of right-wing lies that we have to do this. rockfordfile Aug 2021 #10
I'm not doing right wing anything greenjar_01 Aug 2021 #13
What do you think they should have done? GoodRaisin Aug 2021 #20
Just to clarify NewsCenter28 Aug 2021 #17
He can't order Afghans to do anything. littlemissmartypants Aug 2021 #4
It's easy to be an armchair quarterback. Elessar Zappa Aug 2021 #5
Yes, we evaluate the decision-making of our leaders based on what they tell us greenjar_01 Aug 2021 #7
do you evaluate those decisions stillcool Aug 2021 #9
You still on this "we're all being snowed by the teevee" nonsense? greenjar_01 Aug 2021 #11
ah...thanks. That tells me all I want to know stillcool Aug 2021 #16
why? stillcool Aug 2021 #6
Well, I guess if you are intent on bashing Biden, that is no more nonsensical Atticus Aug 2021 #12
I didn't bash Biden at all greenjar_01 Aug 2021 #14
You criticized him for not "ordering" the Afghanis and their leaders---over whom he had no Atticus Aug 2021 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author Atticus Aug 2021 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author Atticus Aug 2021 #15
That is the take away JohnSJ Aug 2021 #2

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NewsCenter28

(1,835 posts)
3. Excuse me?
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 04:22 PM
Aug 2021

Perhaps you should run for President if you know better than him. Now is the time to stand behind President Biden. Not throw him under the bus like you just did.

 

greenjar_01

(6,477 posts)
13. I'm not doing right wing anything
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 04:29 PM
Aug 2021

I think Biden and his people fucked up here and there should be some accountability. That's my reasonable assessment of the situation as a firm Democrat for 30 fucking years. Stop accusing people who disagree with you of being right wingers.

GoodRaisin

(8,922 posts)
20. What do you think they should have done?
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 04:52 PM
Aug 2021

"Fucked up"? I disagree with you. Biden and his people have managed the withdrawal as well as possible as best as I can see. I don't disagree that our own people should be accountable for what they do, but I haven't seen anything yet for Biden and his people to be held accountable for. They seem to be right on top of the situation from the time it started. They have the airport, they have our embassy personnel, and they are moving Afghans out. They had contingency troops ready to come in when the Afghan fighters laid down and refused to fight. I don't know what else they can do they aren't already doing.

NewsCenter28

(1,835 posts)
17. Just to clarify
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 04:33 PM
Aug 2021

I don't think you're a right winger at all. Just now is the time to stand behind President Biden because we have a right-wing fascist coup attempt in the works. Donny already issued a statement calling for President Biden to resign and for him to be put back in charge due to this. We honestly cannot afford this until the coup attempt is put down and Democracy is saved. In normal times, criticism would be just fine.

Just never forget the existential battle we are fighting and let's not do anything to help the evildoers win.

 

greenjar_01

(6,477 posts)
7. Yes, we evaluate the decision-making of our leaders based on what they tell us
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 04:25 PM
Aug 2021

It's called being a citizen in a democracy.

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
6. why?
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 04:25 PM
Aug 2021

could be better that we got out fast. And who is Biden going to order to go? And which decision was "poor"?

Atticus

(15,124 posts)
12. Well, I guess if you are intent on bashing Biden, that is no more nonsensical
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 04:29 PM
Aug 2021

than the talking points the GOP is using.

 

greenjar_01

(6,477 posts)
14. I didn't bash Biden at all
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 04:30 PM
Aug 2021

I think he made a mistake in following the line of reasoning given by the Afghan government. that's not "bashing." It's assessing.

Atticus

(15,124 posts)
18. You criticized him for not "ordering" the Afghanis and their leaders---over whom he had no
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 04:46 PM
Aug 2021

authority---to cooperate in evacuating our allies a couple months ago. That's not "on him". It was their decision to make and they made it.

And, now, the Afghani military no longer exists; not because they were defeated but because they REFUSED TO FIGHT. Can you name one political or military official who predicted that to happen as soon as it did?

Hindsight is always 20/20, but is seldom useful.

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