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No this doesn't look good on Biden! (Original Post) imanamerican63 Aug 2021 OP
The intelligence agencies really f**ked this up. That needs to be looked into riight away Thomas Hurt Aug 2021 #1
This was always going to be a fuck up...no easy way to do this. Demsrule86 Aug 2021 #7
Someone had to know the Army would buckle. However, I think it all worked out in the end, because Baitball Blogger Aug 2021 #15
Really? I think this is just another of Joe Biden's finest hours. This is going a hell of a lot ... marble falls Aug 2021 #2
I agree, my point was was he rose above it and kept his word! imanamerican63 Aug 2021 #3
Sorry, man, I've let myself get caught up in the handwringing! marble falls Aug 2021 #5
That is easy to do when you see all those desperate people and know that some will meet Demsrule86 Aug 2021 #12
In some ways it's made easier knowing there isn't a thing we can do, but pray on it. But ... marble falls Aug 2021 #17
Ditto Cracklin Charlie Aug 2021 #8
Totally agree! PortTack Aug 2021 #9
Logistic nightmare, but damn if he didn't do what all the others wouldn't. Budi Aug 2021 #4
It wouldn't have mattered had it been a very smooth transition, the gqp would have spun it to PortTack Aug 2021 #6
And the truth is, Presidents who end a war -won or lost- don't do well in the next election ... marble falls Aug 2021 #13
I think he is the only one who could get it done. BoomaofBandM Aug 2021 #10
This was a no-win situation, and a no-win war. milestogo Aug 2021 #11
I believe it was inevitable that the logistics are a fuckup...the Taliban is very hard to Demsrule86 Aug 2021 #14
I respectfully disagree. H2O Man Aug 2021 #16
I am not blaming Biden at all. imanamerican63 Aug 2021 #18
I just don't understand Etherealoc1 Aug 2021 #19
I have a feeling it will be tucked away in a few days Polly Hennessey Aug 2021 #20
Just like Dotard wanted and bragged about. keithbvadu2 Aug 2021 #21

Demsrule86

(68,543 posts)
7. This was always going to be a fuck up...no easy way to do this.
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 08:56 PM
Aug 2021

Personally, I think Biden has done the best he can in a tough situation.

Baitball Blogger

(46,699 posts)
15. Someone had to know the Army would buckle. However, I think it all worked out in the end, because
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 09:05 PM
Aug 2021

we all saw what happened and Biden made the right conclusion. If they are not going to stand and fight for their country, why would we want to sacrifice one more American soldier for the cause?

marble falls

(57,073 posts)
2. Really? I think this is just another of Joe Biden's finest hours. This is going a hell of a lot ...
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 08:52 PM
Aug 2021

... better than our leaving Viet Nam. And better than the bear's exit in '88, '89.

It took guts to get this taken care of and out of the next election.

Demsrule86

(68,543 posts)
12. That is easy to do when you see all those desperate people and know that some will meet
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 08:58 PM
Aug 2021

awful fates. You have a heart marble falls... me too. But I honestly don't see how we can fix Afghanistan.

marble falls

(57,073 posts)
17. In some ways it's made easier knowing there isn't a thing we can do, but pray on it. But ...
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 09:08 PM
Aug 2021

... watching people grab onto planes and helicopters and knowing they are going to die is tough.

And hearing Americans make false statements over this and make political hay over desperate people in a terrible situation they personally hadn't a hand in making and still dying over it; and add the non-masking, non-vaxxing idiots here in the US - well, I'm thinking maybe a two-day break from DU is in order.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
4. Logistic nightmare, but damn if he didn't do what all the others wouldn't.
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 08:54 PM
Aug 2021

Biden Stepped up & Finally did the ugly job for them.


PortTack

(32,754 posts)
6. It wouldn't have mattered had it been a very smooth transition, the gqp would have spun it to
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 08:56 PM
Aug 2021

Make it look awful.

Ppl were told time and again to leave and chose to stay, the afghani army almost immediately dropped their guns and ran the other way... the ppl in power, the men never wanted a central democracy or the kinds of freedoms we have here.

what else could have been done?

marble falls

(57,073 posts)
13. And the truth is, Presidents who end a war -won or lost- don't do well in the next election ...
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 08:59 PM
Aug 2021

... Lincoln did get re-elected, but then ...

milestogo

(16,829 posts)
11. This was a no-win situation, and a no-win war.
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 08:57 PM
Aug 2021

I'm glad he had the balls to do it. The logistics were a fuckup, and I'm not sure who is responsible for that.

Demsrule86

(68,543 posts)
14. I believe it was inevitable that the logistics are a fuckup...the Taliban is very hard to
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 09:00 PM
Aug 2021

penetrate so I don't know how much good data we can get. And Trump boxed Biden in with his agreement with the Taliban too.

H2O Man

(73,528 posts)
16. I respectfully disagree.
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 09:08 PM
Aug 2021

I don't place much value on the complaining that saturates the media right now. And I am confident that, in the near future, most people will support President Biden's decision to follow through on the previous administration's withdrawal deal. The initial efforts to kill Usama bin Laden were one thing. But the Bush-Cheney administration wasn't focused on that. Between Afghanistan and Iraq, the military contractors are the only ones who made out well. The young men and women serving there didn't. So I think Joe Biden looks very good. Not handing the war down to yet another president demonstrates real leadership -- doing what everyone knows needs to be done, but that no one else wants to take responsibility for.

imanamerican63

(13,775 posts)
18. I am not blaming Biden at all.
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 09:42 PM
Aug 2021

It was a damned if you do or damned if you don’t. He kept is word and did it the only way he could. It was gonna be be ugly no matter how it was done an I appreciate his honest response and look for greater things to happen.

Etherealoc1

(256 posts)
19. I just don't understand
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 09:44 PM
Aug 2021

If the Taliban knew the troops were leaving, why overtake the cities before
they left?
I wouldn't put it pass the orange one
having something to do with this to
sabotage the current administration.

Polly Hennessey

(6,793 posts)
20. I have a feeling it will be tucked away in a few days
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 09:48 PM
Aug 2021

and all the hand wringing will have moved on to something else. Perhaps the next little American tantrum will focus on the Afghani refugees being relocated to the United States. Stuff is getting too predictable.

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