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**MATT ZELLER on Rachel show now. (Original Post) elleng Aug 2021 OP
Pile up on Joe day Thrill Aug 2021 #1
Fact-finding time. elleng Aug 2021 #3
I don't watch any MSNBC...including Rachel... and I am glad tonight...I can't believe she has this Demsrule86 Aug 2021 #27
You might LEARN something(s,) if you watched. elleng Aug 2021 #29
Learn what? What am I going to learn from a person who attacks Biden and wants to send Demsrule86 Aug 2021 #31
I agree that we need to leave Afghanistan. And I have heard of no one who mentions Trump's Demsrule86 Aug 2021 #32
Thanks for warning. Turning off. nt DURHAM D Aug 2021 #2
He wants combat interventions in other parts of the country to rescue people. BannonsLiver Aug 2021 #4
Biden won't go for this. JoanofArgh Aug 2021 #6
Thank God. BannonsLiver Aug 2021 #8
Sounds more like RESCUE interventions. elleng Aug 2021 #7
He said troops entering other parts of the country. BannonsLiver Aug 2021 #10
Well, I'd bet they're spread pretty friggin thin right now frankly ... Hugh_Lebowski Aug 2021 #18
You may be right. But In those scenarios we likely wouldn't be sending in brigades BannonsLiver Aug 2021 #24
No and no...no more young men and women should die in Afghanistan. Demsrule86 Aug 2021 #28
If we re-occupy these areas, there will be a slaughter of Afghan civilians. The OP is promoting MerryBlooms Aug 2021 #19
+1 BannonsLiver Aug 2021 #21
Not saying we SHOULD do this but I'm not sure how you know there'd be massive slaughter of citizens Hugh_Lebowski Aug 2021 #23
I think the outer areas where the media isn't, is an absolute possibility of MerryBlooms Aug 2021 #25
Womens faces being erased? Hugh_Lebowski Aug 2021 #26
Matt is not our President is he. Budi Aug 2021 #13
He's calmed down from this afternoon when he called Joe a liar. He said he wants to work with Joe. JoanofArgh Aug 2021 #5
I'm glad he's calmed down. senseandsensibility Aug 2021 #11
CNN was ridiculous today. JoanofArgh Aug 2021 #16
I agree completely..Zeller was hysterical this afternoon..he was much more asiliveandbreathe Aug 2021 #14
He can publicly apologize then. To his President & his country. Budi Aug 2021 #15
I actually tweeted him and chewed him out bigtime . Don't know if he actually read it. JoanofArgh Aug 2021 #17
Thanks. He needs to hear from people besides the MAGA drumbeat. Budi Aug 2021 #22
What arrogance. He should fuck off. Demsrule86 Aug 2021 #30
That was heart-wrenching nt tishaLA Aug 2021 #9
he can pack his bags and go to afghanistan right now. lead by example nt msongs Aug 2021 #12
K & R Exactly. Tell your story of how your non-profit stepped up to assist this evac, later. Budi Aug 2021 #20

Demsrule86

(68,440 posts)
27. I don't watch any MSNBC...including Rachel... and I am glad tonight...I can't believe she has this
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 11:14 PM
Aug 2021

particular guest.

Demsrule86

(68,440 posts)
31. Learn what? What am I going to learn from a person who attacks Biden and wants to send
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 11:21 PM
Aug 2021

in more troops for 'rescue missions'. The guy is an idiot in my opinion. And I stopped watching both MSNBC and CNN because I think they attack Democrats and I don't want to watch that.

Demsrule86

(68,440 posts)
32. I agree that we need to leave Afghanistan. And I have heard of no one who mentions Trump's
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 11:23 PM
Aug 2021

Taliban deal...these folks are not worth watching...journalism at its worst.

BannonsLiver

(16,275 posts)
4. He wants combat interventions in other parts of the country to rescue people.
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 09:56 PM
Aug 2021

I don’t think that’s going to happen, nor should it.

BannonsLiver

(16,275 posts)
10. He said troops entering other parts of the country.
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 09:58 PM
Aug 2021

How do you think the Taliban forces in those areas would react to the presence of US combat troops?

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
18. Well, I'd bet they're spread pretty friggin thin right now frankly ...
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 10:15 PM
Aug 2021

We show up with enough peeps, they probably aren't going to DO ... shit.

Not saying we SHOULD necessarily, but ... they've suddenly spread out over a wide swath of the country in the past 2 weeks.

BannonsLiver

(16,275 posts)
24. You may be right. But In those scenarios we likely wouldn't be sending in brigades
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 10:28 PM
Aug 2021

It would be small forces with little to no back up operating in remote areas. It’s a bad idea. He was correct about the Kabul airport. We should try to keep it open as long as long as possible.

But he also said the Taliban is afraid of us, which is just bonkers. The airport remains in our hands at the largesse of the Taliban. If they wanted the airport they could eventually take it.

MerryBlooms

(11,753 posts)
19. If we re-occupy these areas, there will be a slaughter of Afghan civilians. The OP is promoting
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 10:16 PM
Aug 2021

reoccupation, with thousands of troops. trump made a deal with the devil. Quick evacuation is the best option with least death. We have been evacuating Afghanis for months. We will continue to do so at the rate of 5000+ a day, according to gov. sources, now that the airport is now operating under US control. The media continues to run the worst video they can find, over and over. Media hasn't shown one clip about Afghanis now being evac'd since we've taken back control.

Could have been done better, yes. But, these attacks on our President and our military are really starting to tick me off. The media is doing a feeding frenzy against Biden. and the folks taking the opportunity to buy into it and attack, is alarming.

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
23. Not saying we SHOULD do this but I'm not sure how you know there'd be massive slaughter of citizens
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 10:20 PM
Aug 2021

I think the Taliban are VERY KEEN to be seen as good guys here, so they can gain international recognition, personally.

Disrupting a rescue operation during withdrawal, and murdering innocent civilians en masse would NOT go towards that end.

No way could I watch the M$M right now (or yesterday) so I hear you on that account.

MerryBlooms

(11,753 posts)
25. I think the outer areas where the media isn't, is an absolute possibility of
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 10:40 PM
Aug 2021

murder and taking of minor female hostages/slaves/'brides'. I'd be surprised if it hasn't already happened. Those outside media rich provinces have been controlled by taliban for weeks and months now. There are reports of taliban going home to home, seeking strong women who are interpreters, doctors, etc... I saw pictures in Kabul of women's faces being erased, the men and boys in the streets smiling. This issue is more than the American fantasy... Americans need to start dealing with the reality, and the reality is a lot of Afghani folks have zero desire for western culture.

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
26. Womens faces being erased?
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 10:50 PM
Aug 2021

It was a fancy hair/makeup salon with giant pictures of pretty women with western-style uncovered hair and made up faces without burkas, facing out at the street.

Pretty damn sure the situation was that the people who owned the business didn't want to scream at the Taliban "HEY WE'RE A WESTERN VALUES PLACE!!!" the second they walk into town. So they were taking the pictures down or painting them over.

Anyways, if there's people we CAN safely get out that aren't necessarily in Kabul, who helped us out and are facing likely death if we don't get them out, I'm open to the idea.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
13. Matt is not our President is he.
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 10:04 PM
Aug 2021

Maybe step up & do what your non-profit is there for.
Maybe offer an assist at this critical time in history, rather than use your TV presence as a club against a situation that had to be dealt with, by the ONE damned President that finally did what no other would attempt.

Maybe be part of the solution Matt. It's literally what your non-profit was set up to do.




JoanofArgh

(14,971 posts)
5. He's calmed down from this afternoon when he called Joe a liar. He said he wants to work with Joe.
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 09:57 PM
Aug 2021

He's very emotional about this issue.



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asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
14. I agree completely..Zeller was hysterical this afternoon..he was much more
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 10:04 PM
Aug 2021

tempered in his discussion with Rachel...may we make the most of a successful evacuation..what we can do!!

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
15. He can publicly apologize then. To his President & his country.
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 10:10 PM
Aug 2021

Don't be one of THOSE guys, please.

Apologize & make right the degrading words you used earlier.
Stand for something better & more righteous than the pile-on shitshow your President was handed.
Maybe stop repeating the MAGA News feed.
Start there.

Maybe Nicole Wallace read him the riot act after his appearance on her show earlier.

95% of the Press will disagree with Biden.

Don't be one of them.

JoanofArgh

(14,971 posts)
17. I actually tweeted him and chewed him out bigtime . Don't know if he actually read it.
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 10:13 PM
Aug 2021

He's been a lifetime Dem, I think this issue just makes him very emotional. His life was saved in Afghanistan by an interpreter.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
22. Thanks. He needs to hear from people besides the MAGA drumbeat.
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 10:20 PM
Aug 2021

Build this back better, Matt.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
20. K & R Exactly. Tell your story of how your non-profit stepped up to assist this evac, later.
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 10:17 PM
Aug 2021

And don't ever ever say you're ashamed of your country to Biden's tough mission, while staying silent about how Donald Trump abused his power by making a dirty deal with the Taliban.

Pack your bag & go help the logistics of this enormous & treacherous mission.

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