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Remembering Benghazi, my feeling is that they will use it whether it is or not.
The real question is, will anyone besides the looney GOP base see it as one.
I read that Joe was questioning his cabinet, asking how this situation could have deteriorated so quickly.
I hope he finds answers, and if there were Trump holdouts/sympathizers involved in State, the military, or anywhere else, he cuts the crap and throws them out hard on their ass.
I remember like it was yesterday April, 1975. The remnants of the South Vietnamese army, regardless of what is said, fought hard and bravely, buying time for an ill planned evacuation of Saigon.
The Afghan Army folded like wet tissue paper.
There is much more going on here than meets the eye.
Bill Clinton had the heads of commanders who bungled during the battle of Mogadishu.
Perhaps ending a few military careers will send a message that this sort of ratfuckery will not be tolerated.
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Bettie
(16,091 posts)but in the end, it will be more about the economy and how we're all doing then, rather than Afghanistan.
joetheman
(1,450 posts)bad from the inside? A I heard a lot of some vets and some active duty sliming him over the past several months. Of course the greatest inside job was the surrender of the Afghan military without a whimper. We really should have expected this after years of many of them turning on us and joining the other side.
Just wondering why the weapons turnover went so smoothly? Did we even try to stop it? I know the MIC is chomping at their bits to want to replace all those weapons and give them to our next enemy.
GPV
(72,377 posts)Demsrule86
(68,553 posts)ansible
(1,718 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Americans overwhelmingly wanted out of there, and that's not going to change.
orangecrush
(19,540 posts)onetexan
(13,036 posts)For troops pullout of afghanistan. And americans overwhelmingly approve of biden's infrastructure plan.
OAITW r.2.0
(24,455 posts)Then they'll run the Afghanzi playbook. Hell, they will probably even start an impeachment drive in the lead up to 2024.
exboyfil
(17,862 posts)We have a winner. The damage will be much greater if the Republicans control either house of Congress. This will allow them to do their dog and pony show.
Yep.
Now that TFG is out of the way it's back to crime as usual.
Mad_Machine76
(24,406 posts)People want out of Afghanistan and dont want us to stay
Republicans have no alternative other than making Afghanistan a perpetual client state
Biden and Democrats want to get as many people out as possible
Republicans mostly dont want a flood of refugees here.
No American troops or officials have died.
rso
(2,271 posts)It rethugs make it an issue, there is plenty that democrats can counter with regarding Trumps negotiations with the Taliban, the freeing of a top Taliban leader in 2018 etc..Its very telling that the RNC website last week unceremoniously deleted its previously glowing references to Trumps negotiations with the Taliban.
a kennedy
(29,655 posts)haele
(12,647 posts)By 2024, it will be behind most voters, even GOP - so long as no American gets killed in the withdrawal.
No US body count from this; no outrage. We didn't go there to get rid of the Taliban, after all. With Bin Laden dead, there's no more "vengeance" to to feed the masses, just a general discomfort with the way it was handled.
A lot will depend on how Taliban 2.0 present themselves to the world. Since they seem to want to appear legit, their worst fundamentalist excesses will be confined to the tribal areas - out of sight.
For now, they appear to want to be seen as no more crazy strict than, say, Saudi Arabia or Pakistan.
Haele
bluewater
(5,376 posts)haele
(12,647 posts)Some people may have personally been swayed by it, but it was just a drop in the cesspool that was TFG. The public wanted out of Syria at the time, also.
Haele
Demsrule86
(68,553 posts)with constant house hearings. They still lost. Foreign policy rarely is a big issue. The only time I ever remember that it happened was after 2001.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)And he deserved it.
greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)SMH.
BlueCheeseAgain
(1,654 posts)For better or worse, Americans don't really care that much about Afghanistan. If American lives are lost, maybe.
LenaBaby61
(6,974 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)If ever.
LenaBaby61
(6,974 posts)I have friends in two camps.
One camp of friends say that Dems need to wait until this Afghanistan stuff dies down, but other friends say that the GQP won't let this Afghanistan 'thing' die down and are hopeful that they can get as far away from Jan. 6th as they can--change direction as far away from the insurrection/sedition on Capital Hill that racist, election-stealing tReasonous tRump and his fellow racist, election-stealing crazy cult lovers caused.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)LenaBaby61
(6,974 posts)Agree totally with you. Dems have to come HARD with what they find out or possibly even know NOW.
A friend called me this morning and reminded me that the Congress is in recess, which is why we've heard nothing from them on all of these matters happening now. There's SO much going on in the world that I forgot about the August recess for Congress
I do hope that when they do come back from recess, they talk about tRump's roll in all of this, because when he made that deal with the Taliban, he also closed down 10 or so airbases, made it possible for the Afghan army to not be paid or fed. In other words, tRump set Biden up for failure. Dems have to show that he did just that if they have the evidence to back that up.
Elessar Zappa
(13,964 posts)Most Americans are past the point of caring about Afghanistan. No doubt the GOP will try to make it an issue but I doubt itll be successful.
RANDYWILDMAN
(2,668 posts)Thoughtful warfare that considers soldiers and not expending resources we don't have, what
Vinca
(50,267 posts)(often and loudly) that the deal was cut with the Taliban by Trump and Biden only managed to delay it for a few months. The GOP will also beat the drum about Covid even though it's their followers causing the pandemic to continue. It's inevitable. Democrats need to break out of their instinctive kumbayah, let's strive-for-bipartisanship mode and tell it like it is.
Thrill
(19,178 posts)Especially if things calm down over there
They cant pretend to give a shit about Afghanistan
marie999
(3,334 posts)Happy Hoosier
(7,293 posts)How the economy is doing is what matters. Almost always.
BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)So far they are shooting blanks. This will all be resolved soon, but they will still try to beat a dead horse.
inwiththenew
(972 posts)We'll have to see what the broader geo-political fallout of the US exit is before we can say. If it's limited to just the what we've witnessed in the past week, then probably not. If it spills over and expand beyond Afghanistan then it very well could be.
Remember that in Iraq that spilled over into Syria, Egypt, and Libya after we left. Then you had ISIS taking over large swaths of land in Iraq before they were beaten back. So my answer would be there is no way to know if this is going to be an issue until we have a better idea of how this will unfold.
Demovictory9
(32,449 posts)forthemiddle
(1,379 posts)If there is a major terrorist attack, in this country, that can be traced back to the Taliban, or worse yet, to the weapons we left there, then yes, it will be!
On the other hand, if things calm down, and miracles of all miracles, the Taliban actually let women live relatively peacefully, then I see it as a political issue that Biden can use.
Polybius
(15,385 posts)But, if it's Rubio, then yeah he'll bring it up and get trounced in the election.
GoodRaisin
(8,922 posts)There's still a lot of information yet to come out about the withdrawal. And, the withdrawal is still underway, meaning a lot can still happen. I just don't know if Republicans can keep fanning the flames long enough for this issue to remain in the national nightly news. If not, it won't be a significant issue.