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lindysalsagal

(20,678 posts)
Wed Aug 18, 2021, 02:18 PM Aug 2021

WAPO OPED: Jen Rubin: A primer on false narratives about Afghanistan

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/08/18/primer-false-narratives-about-afghanistan/

A primer on false narratives about Afghanistan

By Jennifer Rubin: Today: 7:45 am

There are many alarmist headlines pronouncing with certitude what has occurred or will occur in Afghanistan. Many are premature — or alternatively, out of date. Others ignore information now available to us that debunks fanciful explanations for the Afghan military’s disintegration.

Fortunately, both the Defense Department (through spokesperson John Kirby and Hank Taylor, the deputy director for regional operations for the Joint Chiefs of Staff) and the White House (through national security adviser Jake Sullivan) answered dozens of questions on Tuesday. We also have the benefit of the detailed inspector general’s report on the Afghanistan conflict. Whether one “believes" the Biden administration or not, the questions certainly reveal some of the misconceptions that plague analysis based on fast-changing events. For example:

We abandoned the Afghans. We failed to get people out. False. The airport in Kabul is up and running flights to evacuate U.S. citizens, third-party nationals, interpreters and other Afghan partners. The military predicted that within 24 hours, we would be flying out 5,000 to 9,000 people per day. The administration has been in “communication” with Taliban commanders to allow people safe passage to the airport. The administration will be judged on whether it completes its mission.

Chaos! Failure! As Sullivan said, no 20-year war will end on a dime smoothly. White House press secretary Jen Psaki acknowledged there have been chaotic moments, but the evacuation is underway. Pronouncing failure based on the first 24 hours of a complex operation is premature. If the administration restores an orderly process, the initial conclusion of TV-watchers will prove false.
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WAPO OPED: Jen Rubin: A primer on false narratives about Afghanistan (Original Post) lindysalsagal Aug 2021 OP
liberal media, my ass JohnSJ Aug 2021 #1
Kick dalton99a Aug 2021 #2
Very good piece, worth reading. Ocelot II Aug 2021 #3
Agreed. It's good to see some sanity and common sense crickets Aug 2021 #22
K & R . To JRubin. ALSO, Remember all the math-challenged concerned parents? Budi Aug 2021 #4
That's a good one. betsuni Aug 2021 #25
Reality. Not half as much fun as hyperbole. lindysalsagal Aug 2021 #26
RW media doesn't want Biden bringing in the translators or their families IronLionZion Aug 2021 #5
Plus justie18 Aug 2021 #6
Jennifer Rubin is always worth the read Hekate Aug 2021 #7
I hope she stays on the right side wryter2000 Aug 2021 #8
So fucking sick of the drama addicted media going for the easy story & not the true one. lark Aug 2021 #9
trump did let out bluedevil4 Aug 2021 #13
The Taliban were primed and ready to move once the pullout was announced. That took planning. hadEnuf Aug 2021 #18
American media have a middle school mentality and wnylib Aug 2021 #16
The Media is Addicted to War! McKim Aug 2021 #21
If in the end the ongoing evacuation results in overall success... Ohioboy Aug 2021 #10
Just listened to the latest "press conference". Ligyron Aug 2021 #11
The problem is bluedevil4 Aug 2021 #12
The US couldn't help them before Kabul fell. maxsolomon Aug 2021 #15
we should not have evacuate the 2500 troops bluedevil4 Aug 2021 #17
I don't know if they'll get all 14,000 out Warpy Aug 2021 #14
Yet another keeper! Quite a thought-provoking read. calimary Aug 2021 #19
The evacuation isn't over yet, Taliban are already firing into crowds of people ansible Aug 2021 #20
She hit that one into orbit. gulliver Aug 2021 #23
While the media pisses in their pants, sleepy Joe has been getting the job done Johonny Aug 2021 #24

crickets

(25,963 posts)
22. Agreed. It's good to see some sanity and common sense
Wed Aug 18, 2021, 07:03 PM
Aug 2021

in reporting about the situation. The "the sky is falling!" hyperbole gets old real quick.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
4. K & R . To JRubin. ALSO, Remember all the math-challenged concerned parents?
Wed Aug 18, 2021, 02:30 PM
Aug 2021



"Can’t help but notice how many people who complained about not understanding their kid’s math homework turned into infectious disease experts and military strategists over the last year and a half."

🙄

IronLionZion

(45,433 posts)
5. RW media doesn't want Biden bringing in the translators or their families
Wed Aug 18, 2021, 02:58 PM
Aug 2021

and are complaining about refugees and replacement theory and how these people will be voting Dem or other BS.

justie18

(169 posts)
6. Plus
Wed Aug 18, 2021, 03:19 PM
Aug 2021

Now that the evacuations are going smoothly at the Kabul airport, the coverage has been dropped drastically. CNN in particular has lost interest. CNN and MSNBC keep playing the same footage from Sunday and Monday when the situation was chaotic.

wryter2000

(46,038 posts)
8. I hope she stays on the right side
Wed Aug 18, 2021, 03:47 PM
Aug 2021

If we ever get a more or less sane Republican in office, will she switch back?

lark

(23,097 posts)
9. So fucking sick of the drama addicted media going for the easy story & not the true one.
Wed Aug 18, 2021, 03:48 PM
Aug 2021

drumpf set this all up when he let their leader and 5000 Taliban fighters out of jail - he did this!!!! So Fucking sick of Joe Biden failed in Afghanistan total BS that's just about all I hear on MSN, no one is discussing that drumpf already had set this tale in motion.

Now, I do fault the military, and bigly. They should have known this, it was obvious, but they have never been honest about that place from the beginning or we'd have left 19 years ago.

hadEnuf

(2,188 posts)
18. The Taliban were primed and ready to move once the pullout was announced. That took planning.
Wed Aug 18, 2021, 04:45 PM
Aug 2021

Of course the worst of the Taliban that were in prison have had 3 years to plan, thanks to Trump letting them out.

It seems awful strange that a ragtag army of nutcases could take over an entire country so fast, and do it pretty much by surprise.

Even our own military who have been there for 20 years were surprised at the speed of this. How can one expect an orderly evacuation under these "surprise" circumstances?

Funny how everything Trump negotiates results in all kinds of "surprises".

Something about this whole ordeal stinks.

McKim

(2,412 posts)
21. The Media is Addicted to War!
Wed Aug 18, 2021, 05:08 PM
Aug 2021

The media is addicted to war!!!! So are many Americans who view it as some kind of distant exotic football game, "who is winning?" type of infotainment. War is a great distraction from looking soberly at our own mass poverty and lack of social goods. Chaos is exciting!

Ohioboy

(3,240 posts)
10. If in the end the ongoing evacuation results in overall success...
Wed Aug 18, 2021, 04:01 PM
Aug 2021

watch Trump take credit. He'll claim he was the one that negotiated with the Taliban.

Ligyron

(7,629 posts)
11. Just listened to the latest "press conference".
Wed Aug 18, 2021, 04:13 PM
Aug 2021

You think Sean Hannity had supplied the questions to the MSM to ask.

“Don’t you regret abandoning the Afghans and remaining Americans to a fate worse than death”?

“Are you not a bunch of idiots for not having forseen these events”?

“Joe Biden instructed you to completely screw this up on purpose right? In other words It’s all his fault right”?

Sickening.

 

bluedevil4

(305 posts)
12. The problem is
Wed Aug 18, 2021, 04:17 PM
Aug 2021

they can't get to the airport. A message was sent out in their morning stating to get to the airport but added the US can't help you

It's all chaos and I can't find a station that says any different

maxsolomon

(33,316 posts)
15. The US couldn't help them before Kabul fell.
Wed Aug 18, 2021, 04:32 PM
Aug 2021

2500 troops; not enough to give military escorts. Somehow the top government officials made it, however.

 

bluedevil4

(305 posts)
17. we should not have evacuate the 2500 troops
Wed Aug 18, 2021, 04:36 PM
Aug 2021

until all the diplomats, american citizens and those afghans we promised to bring here were removed.
That's why everyone is in such an uproar

Warpy

(111,251 posts)
14. I don't know if they'll get all 14,000 out
Wed Aug 18, 2021, 04:31 PM
Aug 2021

because there are other foreigners who might have priority, I know even Iceland had a contingent of NGO workers there, most of NATO did.

Commercial flights have all been canceled, but military flights out continue.

 

ansible

(1,718 posts)
20. The evacuation isn't over yet, Taliban are already firing into crowds of people
Wed Aug 18, 2021, 05:06 PM
Aug 2021

How this ends is what matters

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