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mjvpi

(1,388 posts)
Thu Aug 19, 2021, 12:40 AM Aug 2021

Florida must have really good doctors.

I live in Montana. Florida has been showing 40 times the number of infections for weeks, yet their number of daily deaths have been virtually the same as Montana. When you compare their numbers of deaths to California and Texas, who have both been posting lower numbers of daily cases, the survival rate in Florida seems so much better. Simply Amazing. Or could they have a different way of counting in Florida? Maybe it is the quality of health care. I am only an old audio engineer. What do I know? In my world physics and science are constant and professionals get consistent results no mater where they work, all things being equal. Snark aside, something looks off in the Florida data. Nothing against their doctors.

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Florida must have really good doctors. (Original Post) mjvpi Aug 2021 OP
Well, down in FL they fire the professionals who tell the truth, then send thugs to raid their house Hugh_Lebowski Aug 2021 #1
Look Here SoCalDavidS Aug 2021 #2
Thanks! Montana does post to Worldometer accurately. mjvpi Aug 2021 #5
Yeah, that chart is all kinds of weird Johnny2X2X Aug 2021 #12
Gov. DeathSantis keeps the actual Covid fatality totals on the down low. oasis Aug 2021 #3
They're cooking the books Rstrstx Aug 2021 #4
In addition to that, I bet they aren't reporting all of them. Mariana Aug 2021 #7
Forget reported COVID deaths in *any* state, just look at excess deaths... RockRaven Aug 2021 #6
Excess deaths is the more accurate number in the long run Mariana Aug 2021 #20
Excess deaths from CDC scipan Aug 2021 #22
Florida is not reporting their COVID deaths and stats. ananda Aug 2021 #8
They are but they report weekly not daily. nt Phoenix61 Aug 2021 #9
But how fudged are their numbers? ananda Aug 2021 #15
I don't think they are. Phoenix61 Aug 2021 #19
I doubt they're doing anything like falsifying the death certificates Mariana Aug 2021 #21
The Florida numbers are the Republican version of the truth. Chainfire Aug 2021 #10
Compare and contrast with Texas - I know that Abbott is doing everything bullwinkle428 Aug 2021 #11
On further review, Woldmeters is not pulling their data correctly Johnny2X2X Aug 2021 #13
Can't say for sure, but here's an idea too ScratchCat Aug 2021 #14
People are still dying. LisaL Aug 2021 #18
I am 80 with a fussy kidney. KentuckyWoman Aug 2021 #23
Stroke, respiratory failure, cardiac failure. lpbk2713 Aug 2021 #16
Alternative maths.... bluecollar2 Aug 2021 #17
 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
1. Well, down in FL they fire the professionals who tell the truth, then send thugs to raid their house
Thu Aug 19, 2021, 12:46 AM
Aug 2021

to find out who they might've shared the real data with.

Does that ... answer the underlying question at hand?

SoCalDavidS

(9,998 posts)
2. Look Here
Thu Aug 19, 2021, 12:47 AM
Aug 2021

Florida doesn't always report deaths, and the #'s on Worldometers each day are ALWAYS incorrect.

They are averaging around 175 deaths/day on a 7-day average basis.

https://www.google.com/search?q=covid+deaths+florida

Johnny2X2X

(19,038 posts)
12. Yeah, that chart is all kinds of weird
Thu Aug 19, 2021, 09:23 AM
Aug 2021

Florida is doing some funny things in reporting so it's not the daily headline.

I don't think they can get away with all out lying, so they're not reporting it regularly and are hiding the worst days they report.

oasis

(49,376 posts)
3. Gov. DeathSantis keeps the actual Covid fatality totals on the down low.
Thu Aug 19, 2021, 12:55 AM
Aug 2021

He's planning to make a bid for the presidency in 2024.

Rstrstx

(1,399 posts)
4. They're cooking the books
Thu Aug 19, 2021, 12:55 AM
Aug 2021

I’m seeing death counts of like 6 or 7 a day on worldometer but if you go to google and look at a 7 day rolling average the daily deaths have been in the 130-150 range. I’ve heard they’re using something akin to accounting tricks by reporting very low daily rates then going back and “correcting” for them when they tally up the damage done for the previous week.

Mariana

(14,854 posts)
7. In addition to that, I bet they aren't reporting all of them.
Thu Aug 19, 2021, 02:45 AM
Aug 2021

I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if lots of Covid-19 deaths are being counted as something else. It's true the doctors are very unlikely to falsify the death certificates, but it's also true that many of those death certificates may be open to "interpretation" by those who compile these numbers. Something like, "This death certificate says the person died of a stroke because he had blood clots from Covid-19. Count it as a stroke." may be going on in some jurisdictions, and possibly at the state level.

RockRaven

(14,959 posts)
6. Forget reported COVID deaths in *any* state, just look at excess deaths...
Thu Aug 19, 2021, 01:18 AM
Aug 2021

Even blue states have red counties -- and corrupt, partisan, or incompetent persons therein. The one thing that cannot be hidden -- in the US, for the most part -- is the fact that the person died at all.

"Excess deaths" might be less precise, but it will probably be more accurate when making state-to-state comparisons.

Mariana

(14,854 posts)
20. Excess deaths is the more accurate number in the long run
Thu Aug 19, 2021, 02:22 PM
Aug 2021

but there can be long lags in reporting from some jurisdictions.

Phoenix61

(17,002 posts)
19. I don't think they are.
Thu Aug 19, 2021, 02:10 PM
Aug 2021

Too easy to get caught. The county knows the numbers it sent to Tallahassee. Of course that didn’t stop DeSatan from trying to spin it that the children in the hospital could be there for RSV not covid.

Mariana

(14,854 posts)
21. I doubt they're doing anything like falsifying the death certificates
Thu Aug 19, 2021, 02:34 PM
Aug 2021

but I wouldn't be surprised to find out there's some "interpreting" of the causes of death going on, when it comes to reporting Covid-19 deaths. Something like, "It says he had a stroke because he had blood clots from Covid-19? List it as a stroke."

Chainfire

(17,530 posts)
10. The Florida numbers are the Republican version of the truth.
Thu Aug 19, 2021, 09:08 AM
Aug 2021

Variable and flexible to fit the political message and having nothing to do with facts.

bullwinkle428

(20,629 posts)
11. Compare and contrast with Texas - I know that Abbott is doing everything
Thu Aug 19, 2021, 09:16 AM
Aug 2021

possible to make things worse, just like DeSantis, but the Worldometers numbers do seem to show that standard 2-week lag time between case increase and death increase...

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/texas/

Johnny2X2X

(19,038 posts)
13. On further review, Woldmeters is not pulling their data correctly
Thu Aug 19, 2021, 09:31 AM
Aug 2021

I think Worldmeters is pulling in the data funny.

Johns Hopkins seems to handle Florida's data fine.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/region/us/florida

ScratchCat

(1,981 posts)
14. Can't say for sure, but here's an idea too
Thu Aug 19, 2021, 09:32 AM
Aug 2021

Florida has a very high median age. We have very high vaccination rates of the elderly. The current hospitalization numbers are populated by people 30-50 who were not vaccinated. Previously, the median age for a person hospitalized by Covid-19 was higher. This could partially explain the lower death rate for Florida. Though, as others have pointed out, numbers aren't being reported daily which then makes it more cumbersome to parse.

KentuckyWoman

(6,679 posts)
23. I am 80 with a fussy kidney.
Thu Aug 19, 2021, 03:00 PM
Aug 2021

If I die in FL of the Covid, it will get reported as kidney disease.

Cooking the books indeed.

lpbk2713

(42,753 posts)
16. Stroke, respiratory failure, cardiac failure.
Thu Aug 19, 2021, 10:03 AM
Aug 2021


They have probably been overruled many times on their cause of death.

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