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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThis is fantasy, I know, but I'll say it anyway.
It seems to me that women and girls in Afghanistan are most at risk now that the Taliban have swept into power. Indeed, I've seen it suggested here on DU that one reason the Taliban had such an easy time of it these past weeks was because Afghan men, by and large and with the exception of those who identified in some way with the West, don't feel all that threatened by blatant misogyny and toxic masculinity.
So it then also seems to me a better strategy for keeping the Taliban at bay would have been to train and arm several tens or hundreds of thousands of WOMEN, giving women and girls the means and the power to fight back.
Yes I know, a fantasy, and there are probably a dozen reasons why this apparently never occurred to our own military. Cultural reasons, for instance. Such an effort would no doubt in and of itself would have led to massive (male) protests. And yes, even so there were some women armed and trained, but this was a miniscule effort compared to what we did for the men.
Years (many years) back I recall seeing the slogan, "Vietcong women carry guns!" Women were a huge part of the Vietnamese resistance to the French and American occupations. French women were a major, in fact pivotal part of the French Resistance against the Nazis. And I recall the words of the courageous Sophie Scholl, a leader of the German Resistance, who told her friends, "Someone will have to shoot Hitler. If no man will do it, a woman will have to."
Am I totally wrong and delusional about this?
Jilly_in_VA
(9,962 posts)Several weeks ago I published an article about Afghan women who were training to do just this. It's probably lost in the murk of DU by now as I wasn't recording my posts at the time. But I was thinking about this a night or two ago. If they weren't so darn busy themselves, it would be great if a few women from the Peshmerga could infiltrate Afghanistan and start organizing the women of Afghanistan. Those women are something else. My son served his first tour in Kurd country and he had nothing but respect for them.
former9thward
(31,961 posts)Iraq is not connected to Afghanistan and they are a totally different nationality.
Jilly_in_VA
(9,962 posts)Read your history back around 1919-21 and see where Kurdistan was supposed to be. They are not just in Iraq.
former9thward
(31,961 posts)There are no Kurds in Afghanistan.
Jilly_in_VA
(9,962 posts)I said they were all over the area, and I encouraged you to look at the boundaries of Kurdistan to show you how they could sneak into Afghanistan. You show something of a lack of knowledge of Kurds, btw. Afghanistan borders on Iran. There are still Kurds in Iran. I knew a doctor in Cincinnati who was an Iranian Kurd, and we have a businessman here who is also an Iranian Kurd. So who is to say there are none in Afghanistan?
former9thward
(31,961 posts)It is ridiculous to say they could "sneak into Afghanistan" as if the people of Afghanistan would not know who they were. But go ahead with your spy mission and let us know how it goes....
Jilly_in_VA
(9,962 posts)Can you tell the difference between a Kurd/Iranian/Afghan? I didn't think so. And people can get anywhere they decide to when they want to.
I also don't think you're "every source of knowledge" or you might have figured out how to end the war yourself before now.
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,367 posts)To answer your question,
No.
Volaris
(10,269 posts)The next time we decide the wider middle east needs american military forces put there for any reason whatsoever, we should find an piece of land (doesnt matter where), set a perimeter, guard it with whatever we need for as long as we need, and declare it outright a New Nation, and any refugees from anywhere else that dont wanna live where they are, can come and help build it. Only stipulation is that you're living by our code of LEGAL Freedom, and if you happen to wanna leave your taliban ass of a husband and bring your girls, fine with us were sure we can find something for you to do to help.
And then STAY THERE for as long as it takes to turn it into a first world nation state.
As I said...fantasy.
Scrivener7
(50,934 posts)women - who are raised in the culture, where all the people they know and love adhere to the culture, and all their visions for their lives are made within the cultural confines - are unlikely to rise up en-masse against the culture. That kind of change takes a long time.
Our suffragists started fighting the culture 150 years ago, and there are STILL women today who have not come around.
thucythucy
(8,043 posts)Still, in twenty years we might have made some progress, especially with the younger generation.
But I suppose it would be slow going, even if possible.
Scrivener7
(50,934 posts)No reason to assume they feel like we do about the subject.
Mosby
(16,295 posts)thucythucy
(8,043 posts)It's interesting that ISIS fighters believe that being killed in combat by a woman will send them straight to Hell!
Now that's what I call psychological warfare!
SharonClark
(10,014 posts)"Am I totally wrong and delusional about this?"
You answered your own question.
thucythucy
(8,043 posts)Even so, I was curious as to what the responses might be.
Carlitos Brigante
(26,500 posts)a bunch of these bearded fuckwads running away from "The Afghan Women's Brigade", or some such........
thucythucy
(8,043 posts)contains an interesting bit of information.
Apparently, ISIS fighters believe that if they die in combat and are killed by a woman warrier, they will go straight to Hell.
So seeing these "fuckwards" running away from the Afghan Women's Brigade might not be so far fetched at all.