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Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 09:46 AM Aug 2021

The bigger picture Biden Insiders: Our Afghanistan Exit Is a Part of a Much Bigger Reset

Biden and his team have clearer memories of the long litany of egregious and crippling missteps America’s leaders made during the first years of this century than do their critics

In world affairs, first impressions can be misleading. Soviet and American generals were photographed toasting the triumph of a great alliance in 1945 but in the blinking of an eye the Cold War was underway and we were great enemies. Crowds pressed against the U.S. embassy gates as Saigon fell and America lost a long, bloody war mere decades before Vietnam embraced a market economy and became a top tourist destination for Americans.

Statues are toppled, regimes collapse, city squares are thronged with tens of thousands of people demanding change, “Mission Accomplished” moments occur, and yet what follows is not what the pundits caught up in the drama and imagery of individual events predict. With time, members of the Biden administration anticipate, we will come to see the events of the past week very differently.

In fact, with perspective, we may well come to see their exit from Afghanistan as part of a major, generational, foreign policy reset. In fact, if events unfold consistent with the president’s vision, this moment will be seen as a watershed in a return to American global leadership after two decades of misguided, erratic, damaging foreign policy in the wake of 9/11.





[link:https://www.thedailybeast.com/biden-insiders-our-afghanistan-exit-is-a-part-of-a-much-bigger-reset/body|]

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The bigger picture Biden Insiders: Our Afghanistan Exit Is a Part of a Much Bigger Reset (Original Post) Historic NY Aug 2021 OP
This whole foreign policy reset thing doesn't make me feel any better. Yorkie Mom Aug 2021 #1
Or, you could word that another way wnylib Aug 2021 #5
interesting take stopdiggin Aug 2021 #2
I hope the entire 'song and dance' will be re-done, ethically. elleng Aug 2021 #3
Cable news is dominated by the same Afghanistan hawks who created this situation TomCADem Aug 2021 #7
The bigest mistake was not taking the Talibans surrender back in 2001... Historic NY Aug 2021 #4
I sincerely hope so. We've pissed away trillions on stupid war while the country Warpy Aug 2021 #6

Yorkie Mom

(16,420 posts)
1. This whole foreign policy reset thing doesn't make me feel any better.
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 11:05 AM
Aug 2021

Biden seems to have done a reset with Putin as well giving him what he wants.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/07/26/biden-merkel-putin-nord-stream-2-gas-pipeline-germany-russia-ukraine-geopolitics-central-eastern-europe/

Obama tried the reset thing with Putin. How did that work out?

wnylib

(21,347 posts)
5. Or, you could word that another way
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 12:16 PM
Aug 2021

and say that Biden gave Angela Merkel what she wanted for Germany.

stopdiggin

(11,254 posts)
2. interesting take
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 12:06 PM
Aug 2021

Yes, history and perspective may provide different answers than the ones seen today. Honesty and integrity is in fact a worthwhile national pursuit - and the U.S. has too often fallen cynically short on those fronts. That said - the world we live in today, is the 24 hour news cycle - mid-terms - and allies that are offended, while opponents are emboldened.

(and this is not at all to say that this is a crippling blow for 2022, or anything of the sort. just that this is the narrative that the WH has to be managing today.)

elleng

(130,773 posts)
3. I hope the entire 'song and dance' will be re-done, ethically.
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 12:11 PM
Aug 2021

Seems we've missed doing that in recent decades. Serious disappointment here.

The U.S. ignored corruption within the Afghan government.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017675779

The latest on Afghanistan as Taliban take charge.
*Here's how General Clark explained it:

"The truth is that these people in Afghanistan have been through this before. This is a country that's been at war for 40 years. People signed up with the Afghan military to make money. They fired their weapons. Did they want to die in service of the Afghan military? Remember, Afghanistan is not a conventional nation. It's really tribal. And so they were earning a paycheck -- some of them didn't even get that paycheck -- but they did not sign up to fight to the death, for the most part."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017675309

TomCADem

(17,382 posts)
7. Cable news is dominated by the same Afghanistan hawks who created this situation
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 12:45 PM
Aug 2021

What I find interesting is that even on DU, you find a lot of folks repeating right leaning, hawkish talking points because the news is saturated with pro-war views.

https://www.vox.com/2021/8/19/22629559/afghanistan-hawks-fox-news-biden-blame

Four presidential administrations share, in varying degrees, the blame for the Taliban’s sudden takeover of Afghanistan — a development that brought the United States’ 20-year war in the country to an ignominious conclusion.

But watch cable news and you’d think some of the retired officials who helped orchestrate and continue the war had learned nothing.

Fox News watchers particularly have been inundated with the message this week that it’s all President Joe Biden’s fault — a message coming from veterans of the George W. Bush administration. Take Fox News contributor and former Bush speechwriter Marc Thiessen, who told host Dana Perino during a segment on Monday that the idea of pulling US troops out was “shameful.”

“Khalid Sheikh Mohammed predicted this,” Thiessen continued, referring to the alleged architect of the 9/11 attacks. “He told his interrogator, after he was captured, he said, ‘You Americans, what you don’t understand is we don’t have to defeat you militarily. We only have to wait long enough for you to defeat yourselves by quitting.’ He predicted this day would come. And on the 20th anniversary of the attack that he carried out, it’s come true because of Joe Biden.”

Warpy

(111,175 posts)
6. I sincerely hope so. We've pissed away trillions on stupid war while the country
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 12:30 PM
Aug 2021

has pretty much rotted out from under us, and I'm not just talking roads and bridges.

We the people have been systematically ripped off since the end of WWII, networks of public services from mass transit to well equipped parks for kids largely disappearing.

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