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Heres the buried story of Afghanistan.
How Bush Was Offered Bin Laden and Blew It
BY JEFFREY ST. CLAIR - ALEXANDER COCKBURN
CounterPunch.org, NOVEMBER 1, 2004
George Bush, the man whose prime campaign plank has been his ability to wage war on terror, could have had Osama bin Ladens head handed to him on a platter on his very first day in office, and the offer held good until February 2 of 2002. This is the charge leveled by an Afghan American who had been retained by the US government as an intermediary between the Taliban and both the Clinton and Bush administrations.
Kabir Mohabbat is a 48-year businessman in Houston, Texas. Born in Paktia province in southern Afghanistan, hes from the Jaji clan (from which also came Afghanistans last king). Educated at St Louis University, he spent much of the 1980s supervising foreign relations for the Afghan mujahiddeen, where he developed extensive contacts with the US foreign policy establishment, also with senior members of the Taliban.
After the eviction of the Soviets, Mohabbat returned to the United States to develop an export business with Afghanistan and became a US citizen. Figuring in his extensive dealings with the Taliban in the late 1990s was much investment of time and effort for a contract to develop the proposed oil pipeline through northern Afghanistan.
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By the end of 1999 US sanctions and near-world-wide political ostracism were costing the Taliban dearly and they had come to see Osama bin Laden and his training camps as, in Mohabbats words, just a damn liability. Mohabbat says the Taliban leadership had also been informed in the clearest possible terms by a US diplomat that if any US citizen was harmed as a consequence of an Al Qaeda action, the US would hold the Taliban responsible and target Mullah Omar and the Taliban leaders.
In the summer of 2000, on one of his regular trips to Afghanistan, Mohabbat had a summit session with the Taliban high command in Kandahar. They asked him to arrange a meeting with appropriate officials in the European Union, to broker a way in which they could hand over Osama bin Laden . Mohabbat recommended they send bin Laden to the World Criminal Court in the Hague.
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Bottom line: Afghans offered to turn over bin Laden and Bush-n-Cheney declined.
hedda_foil
(16,371 posts)Remember Bandar Bush? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandar_bin_Sultan_Al_Saud
Kid Berwyn
(14,797 posts)By Dan Christensen
August, 2021 FloridaBulldog.org
During his 22 years as Saudi Arabias top diplomat in Washington, His Royal Highness Prince Bandar bin Sultan was a powerful influencer in the U.S., dealing with five presidents, 10 secretaries of state, 11 national security advisors and 16 sessions of Congress. He was close enough to both Presidents Bush that he earned the nickname Bandar Bush.
Bandar was ambassador on Sept. 11, 2001 when 15 of his countrymen and four other al Qaeda terrorists hijacked four California-bound commercial airliners from airports in Boston, Newark and suburban Washington, D.C. and crashed them into New Yorks World Trade Center, the Pentagon and, after passengers intervened, a field near Shanksville, PA. Two days later, Bandar was photographed relaxing on the Truman Balcony at the White House with President George W. Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney and National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice.
Today, Bandars American-bred daughter, Her Royal Highness Princess Reema bint Bandar bin Sultan, is the kingdoms ambassador to the U.S.
Bandar is media savvy. Both before and after the attacks, he appeared frequently on U.S. television to deflect criticism of Saudi Arabia. Heres what Bandar told CNNs Larry King Live just three weeks after the attacks:
Well, it broke my heart when I found that there are some Saudis with them. I must say that we now are sure that at least half of what we thought, who we thought were Saudis are actually not. Stolen passports, it is stolen identities, Bandar said.
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Kid Berwyn
(14,797 posts)Excerpt
Prince Bandar bin Sultan wont talk
The period of discovery when depositions of Saudi fact witnesses could occur has ended. So Bandar wont be testifying about what he knows. And what the witnesses who did answer questions had to say is secret because of a gag order imposed at the request of the FBI.
U.S. Magistrate Sarah Netburn specifically authorized the plaintiffs to depose Bandar. But when we tried, he said no and KSA [Kingdom of Saudi Arabia] said he is no longer employed by the KSA government and that they cannot compel him, said attorney Andrew Maloney, a partner in the New York law firm thats helping to spearhead the litigation, Kreindler & Kreindler.
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Also deposed were a trio of Saudis who worked for Dallah Avco, a Saudi aviation company where suspected Saudi intelligence agent and befriender of two 9/11 hijackers Omar al-Bayoumi claimed to have worked, but did not, yet was paid for several years with Saudi government funds.
Why do the lawyers want to question Bandar under oath? Lots of reasons.
Perhaps the most intriguing one stems from the 2017 public release of 28 classified pages from Congresss Joint Inquiry into 9/11 and co-written by the inquirys co-chairman, Sen. Bob Graham, D-FL. Graham had long called for their release, saying the FBIs claim that national security might be compromised was bogus. Their release proved Graham correct.
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DickKessler
(364 posts)They werent employees of the KSA government, after all.
he is no longer employed by the KSA government and that they cannot compel him
Well isnt that convenient for Bandar Bush!
Kid Berwyn
(14,797 posts)And thus, like all those trillions in petrodollars, property.
PS: A hearty welcome to DU, DickKessler!
GregariousGroundhog
(7,514 posts)CIA Station Chief in Pakison, Robert Grenier, gave Mullah Osmani, the Taliban's second in command, three options 1) hand over Osama bin Laden to the United States, 2) allow the U.S. to come in and find bin Laden, or 3) assassinate or execute bin Laden themselves. The Taliban countered with an offer to turn bin Laden over to a neutral third party. Neither side budged, and the rest is history.
Kid Berwyn
(14,797 posts)Former CIA agent Grenier on 15 years of war in Afghanistan: 'A never-ending struggle where there is no way of defeating our antagonists'
Deutsche Welle, 07.10.2016
Fifteen years after war broke out in Afghanistan, Robert L. Grenier, former CIA station chief in Pakistan, offered profound insights into strategic decisions the US government made in the early days of the conflict.
Grenier told DW that he feared from the start "we would ultimately end up in a kind of situation in which we currently find ourselves. A never-ending struggle where there is no way of defeating our antagonists, but where they too are incapable of winning and you just have a protracted struggle."
Asked about the failures of the military intervention that made Afghans view the US and NATO forces as occupiers rather than liberators, Grenier said: "One of the frustrations for those of us dealing with people back at our own headquarters both at CIA and at the Pentagon in particular was, that the people we were dealing with really did not understand very much about Afghanistan or about the dynamics between al-Qaeda and the Taliban for instance. And they tended to view things in very stark black and white terms."
Grenier added that after the fall of Kandahar in December 2001 "I thought that some effort should have been made to reach out to some elements within the Taliban leadership to provide them with assurance that there would be some future for them in Afghanistan. But there was absolutely no interest from the American side in doing that. At the time we did not realize how important an opportunity it was, or how grave the consequences of our failure to seize that opportunity would ultimately be. I think we missed a major opportunity at that point."
About negotiations with Taliban leader Mullah Omar's deputy, Mullah Osmani, Grenier said: "I tried to convince [Mullah Osmani] to move Mullah Omar aside and to seize power himself to do what needed to be done both to bring Bin Laden and his key lieutenants to justice but also to save the Taliban movement." Grenier said the negotiations failed because "Mullah Omar had too much control over his own people, and there was no way that Mullah Omar could be convinced himself to turn over Bin Laden."
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More on the story after 911:
Bush rejects Taliban offer to hand Bin Laden over
* Taliban demand evidence of Bin Laden's guilt
* Second week of airstrikes starts
* Taliban urges US to halt bombing
The Guardian Staff and agencies
Sun 14 Oct 2001
President George Bush rejected as "non-negotiable" an offer by the Taliban to discuss turning over Osama bin Laden if the United States ended the bombing in Afghanistan.
Returning to the White House after a weekend at Camp David, the president said the bombing would not stop, unless the ruling Taliban "turn [bin Laden] over, turn his cohorts over, turn any hostages they hold over." He added, "There's no need to discuss innocence or guilt. We know he's guilty". In Jalalabad, deputy prime minister Haji Abdul Kabir - the third most powerful figure in the ruling Taliban regime - told reporters that the Taliban would require evidence that Bin Laden was behind the September 11 terrorist attacks in the US, but added: "we would be ready to hand him over to a third country".
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Taliban 'ready to discuss' Bin Laden handover if bombing halts
The Taliban would be ready to discuss handing over Osama bin Laden to a neutral country if the US halted the bombing of Afghanistan, a senior Taliban official said today.
Afghanistan's deputy prime minister, Haji Abdul Kabir, told reporters that the Taliban would require evidence that Bin Laden was behind the September 11 terrorist attacks in the US.
"If the Taliban is given evidence that Osama bin Laden is involved" and the bombing campaign stopped, "we would be ready to hand him over to a third country", Mr Kabir added.
But it would have to be a state that would never "come under pressure from the United States", he said.
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/oct/14/afghanistan.terrorism5
moondust
(19,958 posts)taken bin Laden, made a global spectacle of him, and issued a dire warning to the Taliban that if they continue to allow terrorist gangs to thrive and pose a threat we will move to Plan B: reducing them to rubble.
Kid Berwyn
(14,797 posts)Instead of war, we conduct a police action. Arrest the suspects. Conduct an investigation. Analyze the facts. Make the charges public. Try the accused in a court of law. Determine guilt or innocence. Sentence the guilty.
With warmongers Bush-n-Cheney, Plan B was the only option from Day 1. Remember how they ignored Richard Clarkes warnings in January 2001? They demoted the counterterrorism boss and ignored his warnings until after the CIAs PDB, Bin Laden Determined to Strike in the U.S. in August, 2001.
JHB
(37,156 posts)They jeered at Clinton for firing million-dollar cruise missiles at "a guy in a tent."
They thought he was jumping at shadows.
Like just about everything else they thought, they were wrong, disasterously wrong.
DickKessler
(364 posts)You know, that key part of the global influence of Big Oil and the military-industrial complex.
Im sure that the Bush family or Dick Cheney had no dealings with Saudi Arabia
just like how Trump claims about himself and Saudi, or Russia. *sigh*
Kid Berwyn
(14,797 posts)Al Jazeera remembered the history and brought it up a decade back.
Taliban offered bin Laden trial before 9/11
Former minister says group was prepared to see bin Laden put on trial prior to 9/11, but US was not interested.
By Mujib Mashal
Al Jazeera, 11 Sep 2011
The Taliban government in Afghanistan offered to present Osama bin Laden for a trial long before the attacks of September 11, 2001, but the US government showed no interest, according to a senior aide to the Taliban leader, Mullah Omar.
Wakil Ahmad Muttawakil, Talibans last foreign minister, told Al Jazeera in an exclusive interview that his government had made several proposals to the United States to present the al-Qaeda leader, considered the mastermind of the 2001 attacks, for trial for his involvement in plots targeting US facilities during the 1990s.
Even before the [9/11] attacks, our Islamic Emirate had tried through various proposals to resolve the Osama issue. One such proposal was to set up a three-nation court, or something under the supervision of the Organisation of the Islamic Conference [OIC], Muttawakil said.
But the US showed no interest in it. They kept demanding we hand him over, but we had no relations with the US, no agreement of any sort. They did not recognise our government.
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Robert Grenier, the CIA station chief in Pakistan at the time of 9/11, confirmed that such proposals had been made to US officials.
Grenier said the US considered the offers to bring in Bin Laden to trial a ploy.
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Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)Damn shame that Bush was such a failure of a President.
Kid Berwyn
(14,797 posts)Mark Karlin, editor BuzzFlash, Aug. 21, 2021
Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld attacked Afghanistan in October, 2001, but their real targets should have likely been Saudi Arabia and the secret intelligence agency (ISI) in Pakistan.
After all, Osama bin Laden and 15 of the 19 9/11 hijackers were Saudi Arabian, even though they initially trained in Afghanistan. Many analysts and surviving family members of 9/11 also argue that major funding for bin Laden, who came from a prominent and extremely wealthy Saudi family, was provided by members of the Saudi Royal Family. In fact, the 20th hijacker, Zacarias Moussaoui, who was arrested prior to 9/11 and is currently in federal prison, claims that he has seen evidence of Saudi royal family involvement. Furthermore, survivors of 9/11 who are suing Saudi Arabia are currently pressuring President Biden to release classified evidence of alleged Saudi financial and other involvement or Biden will not be welcome at the 20th anniversary memorial of 9/11 next month.
In the days after 9/11, the Bush administration provided a plane for extended members of the Saudi royal family to leave the United States under cover of darkness, without FBI questioning and during a three day no-fly period, and Bush was very determined to deflect any blame for 9/11 from the Saudis. After all, there is all that oil to protect and keep flowing.
Bush was also, along with cover from Condi Rice, determined not to admit culpability for failing to stop the catastrophe. He said that he never received intelligence that Al Qaeda was determined to fly planes into buildings, even though in July of 2001, he stayed on a boat at a G-8 conference in Genoa, in part because just that scenario was feared as one of many possible terrorist attacks. He also didnt mention until it was revealed three years later by Condi Rice that she and Bush had received a Presidential Daily Briefing, in August of 2001, entitled, Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States. (Bush infamously kicked out the August 6 briefer out of his Texas ranch, telling him (paraphrased): Now that youve covered your ass, get going.)
Yet, no one in the Bush administration made any effort to increase efforts to prevent hijackings, which might have prevented the 9/11 tragedy or to get the CIA and FBI to work together on all the evidence of terrorists enrolled in US flight schools.
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https://buzzflash.com/articles/mark-karlin-why-did-us-invade-afghanistan-anyway-when-911-had-saudi-arabia-written-all-over-it
All of the above was discussed on DU at the time. Yet the nations mass media, like Smirko McCokespoon hisself, failed to connect the dots.
So. Here we are. Twenty years later.
DickKessler
(364 posts)But Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and their neocon advisers didnt provide the troops necessary to gey him. Instead they trusted the Pakistanis to seal the border, and cut off bin Ladens escape
which obviously didnt happen. Shocker!
The reason they didnt want to send reinforcements at Tora Bora? They were saving the troops for Iraq. *facepalm*
crickets
(25,952 posts)all comes flooding back. Now is the perfect opportunity for the media to drag the whole sordid mess into the light of day, set the record straight, etc. But nooo. *sigh*