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LetMyPeopleVote

(145,106 posts)
Sun Aug 22, 2021, 09:00 PM Aug 2021

CNN scolded on live TV for 'over-the-top' Afghanistan coverage: '5,000 people died of Covid in this

CNN Reliable Sources is one of the few CNN shows that I watch. I was disappointed with Steiter covering up for Chris Cuomo a couple of weeks ago, Dowd has been hitting the media on the horrible coverage of the Afghanistan coverage.




During an appearance on CNN, former White House adviser Matthew Dowd and columnist Amanda Marcotte criticized the media coverage of the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan as being "over the top."

"[The coverage was] way over the top and unconnected to a perspective on the issue from the beginning," Dowd told CNN's Brian Stelter on Sunday. "They've added more perspective in the final days but from the beginning, they didn't have a perspective on it."

"We should judge it by the data," he continued. "And sometimes the press has a tendency to judge things by anecdotes and not the data. And the data for the last week shows that Joe Biden has basically gotten 30,000 people out of Afghanistan without a single loss of American life."


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CNN scolded on live TV for 'over-the-top' Afghanistan coverage: '5,000 people died of Covid in this (Original Post) LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2021 OP
Wow Rebl2 Aug 2021 #1
What's the anecdote about a lie being halfway around the world before the truth gets its boots on? Hugh_Lebowski Aug 2021 #2
From my bookmark collection -- here ya go! eppur_se_muova Aug 2021 #39
Much obliged Hugh_Lebowski Aug 2021 #40
While I respect the reporting of reporters from both CNN (Clarissa Ward) MSNBC (Engel), hlthe2b Aug 2021 #3
Agreed completely. Moebym Aug 2021 #10
I do not like Clarissa Ward's overly emotional reporting. Demsrule86 Aug 2021 #23
When a former Dubya staff member says this: misanthrope Aug 2021 #4
Precisely so. And the host just squirmed and tried to wiggle out of it, never yielding. Dowd... Hekate Aug 2021 #8
So FO CNN. Cha Aug 2021 #34
Wow Dowd was making the perfect points Bluethroughu Aug 2021 #5
K; R CatWoman Aug 2021 #6
Truth is an interesting animal. tavernier Aug 2021 #7
I saw Dowd make these same comments on the Nicole Wallace Show Deadline White House) LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2021 #9
Rt TY Cha Aug 2021 #35
K&R n/t Moebym Aug 2021 #11
Ever wonder why this nation is so divided? pazzyanne Aug 2021 #12
I never thought I'd say this but I'm getting to the point where I truly hate network news. Initech Aug 2021 #49
Agree!!! nt pazzyanne Aug 2021 #50
K&R MustLoveBeagles Aug 2021 #13
K&R! SheltieLover Aug 2021 #14
a couple tweets orleans Aug 2021 #15
Thank you for posting this LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2021 #19
you're welcome. i guess i'm a fan too. i follow them on twitter nt orleans Aug 2021 #21
I am too... Demsrule86 Aug 2021 #26
So am I! Cha Aug 2021 #37
I blocked CNN and MSNBC a while back. I was very unhappy with the primary coverage where Demsrule86 Aug 2021 #24
Good on you, Dems! I ended mine Cha Aug 2021 #38
Very good. Right. Both CNN and MSNBC did a terrible job of covering Biden from the git go, emmaverybo Aug 2021 #43
Rts TY for Hoarse Whisperer! Cha Aug 2021 #36
trump should get his share of blame too as he had 11 months... brush Aug 2021 #16
sure he did. he blocked it. mopinko Aug 2021 #28
that's CNN... Demovictory9 Aug 2021 #17
Getting super-tired of people who think evacuating many tens of thousands of people... BlueCheeseAgain Aug 2021 #18
That is a very good point. Demsrule86 Aug 2021 #27
Being objective is the whole point of journalism. Used to be, in the olden days. betsuni Aug 2021 #20
The role of the press is to get to the truth, not to challenge govenment for the sake of challenging meadowlander Aug 2021 #22
Challenging government for the sake of challenging government is like reality TV shows betsuni Aug 2021 #25
They are compulsive gainsayers (nt) Hugh_Lebowski Aug 2021 #41
Good for them mcar Aug 2021 #29
I don't watch the news. marie999 Aug 2021 #30
"The voices they are putting on the air are all the voices that got it wrong from day one." PatSeg Aug 2021 #31
95% of the American people will agree with everything [President Biden] just said. 95% of the press LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2021 #32
TY posting this. emmaverybo Aug 2021 #44
Good.. Rt TY! Cha Aug 2021 #33
They were entralled by two photos zipplewrath Aug 2021 #42
Two things that stood out to me BumRushDaShow Aug 2021 #45
+1 2naSalit Aug 2021 #46
MeidasTouch-The media has failed us. They owe President Biden and the U.S. Military a major apology. LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2021 #47
Carville: Well, he would greatly benefit if the press would cover this accurately... LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2021 #48

Rebl2

(13,487 posts)
1. Wow
Sun Aug 22, 2021, 09:10 PM
Aug 2021

I have to agree with just about everything Dowd and Marcotte had to say. Found it interesting Dowd laid much of the blame on GWBush.

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
2. What's the anecdote about a lie being halfway around the world before the truth gets its boots on?
Sun Aug 22, 2021, 09:13 PM
Aug 2021

Seems that applies here.

Mission Accomplished

It was fun watching the host squirm and struggle for excuses though ...

eppur_se_muova

(36,258 posts)
39. From my bookmark collection -- here ya go!
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 08:12 PM
Aug 2021
https://quoteinvestigator.com/2014/07/13/truth/

A worthwhile read. It's clear Anus Orange and the GQP understand exactly what they're doing when they spread even easily debunked lies -- some of the sense of the lie remains (at least in some minds), no matter how quickly or thoroughly it's debunked.

Besides, as the vilest Writer has his Readers, so the greatest Liar has his Believers; and it often happens, that if a Lie be believ’d only for an Hour, it has done its Work, and there is no farther occasion for it. Falsehood flies, and the Truth comes limping after it; so that when Men come to be undeceiv’d, it is too late; the Jest is over, and the Tale has had its Effect…
--Jonathan Swift

hlthe2b

(102,214 posts)
3. While I respect the reporting of reporters from both CNN (Clarissa Ward) MSNBC (Engel),
Sun Aug 22, 2021, 09:30 PM
Aug 2021

the very natural emotional bias from being there is not always conducive to playing critic/analyst of policy and certainly not to analyze an overall strategy for which they have no ability to see the entire scope or know all that is going on concurrently.

So while their anecdotal reporting is riveting and I respect their fearless coverage, I find that both are not providing what we sorely need. And that includes historical context, overall current context, and insight into the "whys" of what got us here and what realistically CAN be done from now on.

In short, 90% of the coverage has been horrendous.

misanthrope

(7,411 posts)
4. When a former Dubya staff member says this:
Sun Aug 22, 2021, 09:45 PM
Aug 2021

"While this was going on, 5,000 people died of Covid in this country," Dowd pointed out. "500 people died of gun violence in the last week in this country. And not a single American has died in the midst of this chaotic situation in a political hurricane."

"I don't think the press fully understands what the context is for the American public," he remarked. "And so when you understand the context, not only of Afghanistan, but the context of what's going on in our country, there's far worse crisis situations, including the assault on our democracy, that get forgotten about in the midst of this."

Hekate

(90,635 posts)
8. Precisely so. And the host just squirmed and tried to wiggle out of it, never yielding. Dowd...
Sun Aug 22, 2021, 10:53 PM
Aug 2021

… was spot on.

Bluethroughu

(5,149 posts)
5. Wow Dowd was making the perfect points
Sun Aug 22, 2021, 09:56 PM
Aug 2021

Covid
INSURRECTION
Gun violence

Great job on the clarity of reality in the US right now.

Afganistan matters, and they are making a successful rescue happen in the chaos of transition.

tavernier

(12,375 posts)
7. Truth is an interesting animal.
Sun Aug 22, 2021, 10:25 PM
Aug 2021

It will eventually float to the top for all to see.
Old Dubya wasn’t expecting that.

Good on Dowd and Marcotte.

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,106 posts)
9. I saw Dowd make these same comments on the Nicole Wallace Show Deadline White House)
Sun Aug 22, 2021, 11:01 PM
Aug 2021

Rachel played a cut from this interview on her show


pazzyanne

(6,546 posts)
12. Ever wonder why this nation is so divided?
Sun Aug 22, 2021, 11:11 PM
Aug 2021

You don't have to look further than the punditry that passes for news today. What we need is more journalists and less pundits imho.

Initech

(100,061 posts)
49. I never thought I'd say this but I'm getting to the point where I truly hate network news.
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 01:27 AM
Aug 2021

And I mean all of it. I truly do not give a shit what network has the better ratings. And I'm tired of pundits. And yes, I largely blame this on Former Guy totally destroying credible news organizations in favor of ass kissing shit networks.

I mean in this case CNN would get scolded no matter what they do because other forces are calling the shots. And again, this is all on Former Guy.

orleans

(34,048 posts)
15. a couple tweets
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 12:17 AM
Aug 2021


CNN’s coverage of our two decade overdue exit from Afghanistan has been the most embarrassingly poor journalistic failure since… their coverage of the lead-up to the very same war.



It is time to block CNN



I am blocking CNN for the foreseeable future.

I will be blocking all “journalists” I see foisting ahistorical bullshit about the past two decades.

I will block any journalist falsely assigning blame for prior failures to our current president.

Demsrule86

(68,542 posts)
24. I blocked CNN and MSNBC a while back. I was very unhappy with the primary coverage where
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 05:49 AM
Aug 2021

IMHO, they did their collective best to destroy Joe Biden. And in the early days of the Biden administration, I heard the same sort of thing. I just had enough so I ended my subscription to Sling which had become pricey, and you had to pay extra for content less expensive streaming services such as Philo offered as part of the package. I had kept Sling for the cable news channels, but I find I don't miss them. And I would not watch CNN at all after their treatment of Afghanistan which I regard as the most prurient form of yellow journalism. I only read a small part of it, and it was enough for me.

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
43. Very good. Right. Both CNN and MSNBC did a terrible job of covering Biden from the git go,
Tue Aug 24, 2021, 05:39 AM
Aug 2021

putting on biased guests, toggling between dismissing and berating him. The New Yorker, NYT, Telegraph, Vanity Fair, The Atlantic, waPo have also done one hit piece after another on the war exit, with nary a voice uttering a word about Trump’s egregious bungling or giving any but a dire perspective. 30,000 evacuated!

brush

(53,764 posts)
16. trump should get his share of blame too as he had 11 months...
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 12:32 AM
Aug 2021

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from when he made the agreement with the Taliban in Feb. 2020 (leaving out the Afghan government BTW), to pull out in May 2021. He did absolutely nothing in planning an evacuation, not to mention evacuating anyone.

He was busy trying to get re-elected and when he failed at that, he spent the next three months trying to overturn the election. Not a peep about Afghanistan.

mopinko

(70,076 posts)
28. sure he did. he blocked it.
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 07:32 AM
Aug 2021

or at least, blocked visas for those who had a reason to get out.
steven miller was jerking off to his dreams of this kind of chaos for over a year.

BlueCheeseAgain

(1,654 posts)
18. Getting super-tired of people who think evacuating many tens of thousands of people...
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 02:04 AM
Aug 2021

... at the end of a war should be as smooth as boarding a flight to Chicago.

betsuni

(25,456 posts)
20. Being objective is the whole point of journalism. Used to be, in the olden days.
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 02:28 AM
Aug 2021

Now everything's mindless emotion all the time. Often, I don't pay as much attention to articles as the comments. People in the comments are going to correct the many errors in the articles. We all have to be amateur journalists and do the actual research, use our brains and not emotion.

meadowlander

(4,394 posts)
22. The role of the press is to get to the truth, not to challenge govenment for the sake of challenging
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 02:42 AM
Aug 2021

government.

I think one of the biggest problems we have is a lazy streak in journalism where people think they've done their job by attacking whoever is in power no matter what they've done. Real journalists are prepared to scramble after the facts, not just nay-say whoever is wearing the biggest hat.

If they were following the fact, we wouldn't get so much both-sider bullshit and "Obama's tan suit is just as bad as Trump's cabinet full of indicted scumbags".

betsuni

(25,456 posts)
25. Challenging government for the sake of challenging government is like reality TV shows
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 05:53 AM
Aug 2021

where the conflict is fake.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
42. They were entralled by two photos
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 08:47 PM
Aug 2021

The pictures of people clinging to a C-17, even when it took off, and that interior photo of people packed inside the plane. Both were disturbing, but neither indicative of the larger context. When governments fall/fail, their is panic and people will act irrationally. But the military maintained what control they could of the military side of that base, and the loss of control was on the civilian side. It took time to establish control, but the alternative was shooting people. We can discuss if the pilot of that single C-17 should have take off, but in the larger context, our military was executing a plan inside of utter chaos and did relatively well.

BumRushDaShow

(128,790 posts)
45. Two things that stood out to me
Tue Aug 24, 2021, 06:33 AM
Aug 2021

(and except for a couple "big news" events over the past year and this was NOT one of them, I have not had the cable TV news on)

The first was the scramble by the media outlets to find a still shot of a helicopter hovering over a building to manufacture a comparison of the evacuation of Kabul to the evacuation of Saigon.

For example, this nonsense -



Once they made that comparison, then they completely blanked out the 2021 "reality" and internalized the "Kabul = Vietnam" meme, and have been running with it, shoe-horning all kinds of nonsense into what they believe is happening with Afghanistan. It's literally like they are brainwashed and are viewing something completely off.

It reminds me of the early scenes of the film "The Manchurian Candidate" and how the captured U.S. soldiers were brainwashed, with the scenes flipping between them sitting in a row facing an audience of Chinese soldiers and what their brains were actually "programmed" to see - an audience of older women who had come to hear a lecture on hydrangeas.



And the second was the realization that there are many of these "foreign correspondents" who have literally made a career - because this has gone on for 20 years - out of reporting from Afghanistan. Many had already "lost" their reporting duties from Iraq when that was pretty much wound down, and now they are finding themselves SOL with nowhere to go, and were apparently caught off guard at the suddenness of the conclusion of what has been a never-ending military engagement.

So it's like they are now playing out, live on TV, their stages of grief, where they are lashing out at what they believe is the cause of what will be a loss of their jobs. Their selfishness and immaturity tarnishes the whole point of their occupation. I.e., Dan Rather, who was a reporter in Vietnam, didn't have a meltdown when that war was finally concluded.



In the past - pre-2000s - the media used to hold annual (and sometimes more frequent) panel discussions akin to what would later be dubbed "Lessons Learned" exercises, to evaluate their coverage of certain stories. It seems they have stopped doing this.
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