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CNN Reliable Sources is one of the few CNN shows that I watch. I was disappointed with Steiter covering up for Chris Cuomo a couple of weeks ago, Dowd has been hitting the media on the horrible coverage of the Afghanistan coverage.
Link to tweet
"[The coverage was] way over the top and unconnected to a perspective on the issue from the beginning," Dowd told CNN's Brian Stelter on Sunday. "They've added more perspective in the final days but from the beginning, they didn't have a perspective on it."
"We should judge it by the data," he continued. "And sometimes the press has a tendency to judge things by anecdotes and not the data. And the data for the last week shows that Joe Biden has basically gotten 30,000 people out of Afghanistan without a single loss of American life."
Rebl2
(13,487 posts)I have to agree with just about everything Dowd and Marcotte had to say. Found it interesting Dowd laid much of the blame on GWBush.
Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)Seems that applies here.
Mission Accomplished
It was fun watching the host squirm and struggle for excuses though ...
eppur_se_muova
(36,258 posts)A worthwhile read. It's clear Anus Orange and the GQP understand exactly what they're doing when they spread even easily debunked lies -- some of the sense of the lie remains (at least in some minds), no matter how quickly or thoroughly it's debunked.
--Jonathan Swift
Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)hlthe2b
(102,214 posts)the very natural emotional bias from being there is not always conducive to playing critic/analyst of policy and certainly not to analyze an overall strategy for which they have no ability to see the entire scope or know all that is going on concurrently.
So while their anecdotal reporting is riveting and I respect their fearless coverage, I find that both are not providing what we sorely need. And that includes historical context, overall current context, and insight into the "whys" of what got us here and what realistically CAN be done from now on.
In short, 90% of the coverage has been horrendous.
Moebym
(989 posts)And you summed up what I've been saying better than I ever could.
Demsrule86
(68,542 posts)misanthrope
(7,411 posts)"While this was going on, 5,000 people died of Covid in this country," Dowd pointed out. "500 people died of gun violence in the last week in this country. And not a single American has died in the midst of this chaotic situation in a political hurricane."
"I don't think the press fully understands what the context is for the American public," he remarked. "And so when you understand the context, not only of Afghanistan, but the context of what's going on in our country, there's far worse crisis situations, including the assault on our democracy, that get forgotten about in the midst of this."
Hekate
(90,635 posts)
was spot on.
Cha
(297,123 posts)Bluethroughu
(5,149 posts)Covid
INSURRECTION
Gun violence
Great job on the clarity of reality in the US right now.
Afganistan matters, and they are making a successful rescue happen in the chaos of transition.
CatWoman
(79,295 posts)tavernier
(12,375 posts)It will eventually float to the top for all to see.
Old Dubya wasnt expecting that.
Good on Dowd and Marcotte.
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,106 posts)Cha
(297,123 posts)Moebym
(989 posts)I hope that a great many people watched this segment.
pazzyanne
(6,546 posts)You don't have to look further than the punditry that passes for news today. What we need is more journalists and less pundits imho.
Initech
(100,061 posts)And I mean all of it. I truly do not give a shit what network has the better ratings. And I'm tired of pundits. And yes, I largely blame this on Former Guy totally destroying credible news organizations in favor of ass kissing shit networks.
I mean in this case CNN would get scolded no matter what they do because other forces are calling the shots. And again, this is all on Former Guy.
pazzyanne
(6,546 posts)MustLoveBeagles
(11,587 posts)SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)orleans
(34,048 posts)Link to tweet
CNNs coverage of our two decade overdue exit from Afghanistan has been the most embarrassingly poor journalistic failure since their coverage of the lead-up to the very same war.
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It is time to block CNN
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I am blocking CNN for the foreseeable future.
I will be blocking all journalists I see foisting ahistorical bullshit about the past two decades.
I will block any journalist falsely assigning blame for prior failures to our current president.
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,106 posts)I am a fan of the Hoarse Whisperer
orleans
(34,048 posts)Demsrule86
(68,542 posts)K&R
Cha
(297,123 posts)Demsrule86
(68,542 posts)IMHO, they did their collective best to destroy Joe Biden. And in the early days of the Biden administration, I heard the same sort of thing. I just had enough so I ended my subscription to Sling which had become pricey, and you had to pay extra for content less expensive streaming services such as Philo offered as part of the package. I had kept Sling for the cable news channels, but I find I don't miss them. And I would not watch CNN at all after their treatment of Afghanistan which I regard as the most prurient form of yellow journalism. I only read a small part of it, and it was enough for me.
Cha
(297,123 posts)in 2002.
I can watch any good clips on DU.
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)putting on biased guests, toggling between dismissing and berating him. The New Yorker, NYT, Telegraph, Vanity Fair, The Atlantic, waPo have also done one hit piece after another on the war exit, with nary a voice uttering a word about Trumps egregious bungling or giving any but a dire perspective. 30,000 evacuated!
Cha
(297,123 posts)brush
(53,764 posts)Last edited Mon Aug 23, 2021, 11:37 AM - Edit history (1)
from when he made the agreement with the Taliban in Feb. 2020 (leaving out the Afghan government BTW), to pull out in May 2021. He did absolutely nothing in planning an evacuation, not to mention evacuating anyone.
He was busy trying to get re-elected and when he failed at that, he spent the next three months trying to overturn the election. Not a peep about Afghanistan.
mopinko
(70,076 posts)or at least, blocked visas for those who had a reason to get out.
steven miller was jerking off to his dreams of this kind of chaos for over a year.
Demovictory9
(32,445 posts)BlueCheeseAgain
(1,654 posts)... at the end of a war should be as smooth as boarding a flight to Chicago.
Demsrule86
(68,542 posts)betsuni
(25,456 posts)Now everything's mindless emotion all the time. Often, I don't pay as much attention to articles as the comments. People in the comments are going to correct the many errors in the articles. We all have to be amateur journalists and do the actual research, use our brains and not emotion.
meadowlander
(4,394 posts)government.
I think one of the biggest problems we have is a lazy streak in journalism where people think they've done their job by attacking whoever is in power no matter what they've done. Real journalists are prepared to scramble after the facts, not just nay-say whoever is wearing the biggest hat.
If they were following the fact, we wouldn't get so much both-sider bullshit and "Obama's tan suit is just as bad as Trump's cabinet full of indicted scumbags".
betsuni
(25,456 posts)where the conflict is fake.
Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)mcar
(42,300 posts)I don't think Brian was expecting that at all.
marie999
(3,334 posts)I get all the information I need from DU.
PatSeg
(47,384 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(145,106 posts)emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)Cha
(297,123 posts)zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)The pictures of people clinging to a C-17, even when it took off, and that interior photo of people packed inside the plane. Both were disturbing, but neither indicative of the larger context. When governments fall/fail, their is panic and people will act irrationally. But the military maintained what control they could of the military side of that base, and the loss of control was on the civilian side. It took time to establish control, but the alternative was shooting people. We can discuss if the pilot of that single C-17 should have take off, but in the larger context, our military was executing a plan inside of utter chaos and did relatively well.
BumRushDaShow
(128,790 posts)(and except for a couple "big news" events over the past year and this was NOT one of them, I have not had the cable TV news on)
The first was the scramble by the media outlets to find a still shot of a helicopter hovering over a building to manufacture a comparison of the evacuation of Kabul to the evacuation of Saigon.
For example, this nonsense -
Once they made that comparison, then they completely blanked out the 2021 "reality" and internalized the "Kabul = Vietnam" meme, and have been running with it, shoe-horning all kinds of nonsense into what they believe is happening with Afghanistan. It's literally like they are brainwashed and are viewing something completely off.
It reminds me of the early scenes of the film "The Manchurian Candidate" and how the captured U.S. soldiers were brainwashed, with the scenes flipping between them sitting in a row facing an audience of Chinese soldiers and what their brains were actually "programmed" to see - an audience of older women who had come to hear a lecture on hydrangeas.
And the second was the realization that there are many of these "foreign correspondents" who have literally made a career - because this has gone on for 20 years - out of reporting from Afghanistan. Many had already "lost" their reporting duties from Iraq when that was pretty much wound down, and now they are finding themselves SOL with nowhere to go, and were apparently caught off guard at the suddenness of the conclusion of what has been a never-ending military engagement.
So it's like they are now playing out, live on TV, their stages of grief, where they are lashing out at what they believe is the cause of what will be a loss of their jobs. Their selfishness and immaturity tarnishes the whole point of their occupation. I.e., Dan Rather, who was a reporter in Vietnam, didn't have a meltdown when that war was finally concluded.
In the past - pre-2000s - the media used to hold annual (and sometimes more frequent) panel discussions akin to what would later be dubbed "Lessons Learned" exercises, to evaluate their coverage of certain stories. It seems they have stopped doing this.