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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums91% of Biden voters are vaccinated
Trump voters at 50%.
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I've seen posts here claiming that black people refuse to get vaccinated. Looks like a lie from here.
Ocelot II
(115,587 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)They are reducing their ranks; we are not.
Johnny2X2X
(18,969 posts)In Florida for instance, they've reported 42,000 deaths, probably more like 75,000 in reality. Now given that Trump voters were less likely to wear masks all along, and were less likely to social distance or isolate, they have been more prone to severe infection from the start. Now add onto it these vaccine numbers and it's a very real possibility that the people dying in FL right now from Covid run 95% Republican and have so for several months. Florida is still somewhat a swing state, if the real Covid Total is 100,000 people in the end there and 85,000 of them were Republican then that absolutely can swing the state in a close election.
And beyond that, when someone dies in a family from Covid, that family probably gets pretty pissed off at the leaders who lied to them about Covid. For every dead Republican, there might be a few more people who are disillusioned with Republicans.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)The marginal effects in swing states and swing districts are scaring the Reptilians. That's why they're relying so heavily on outright suppression and theft in the next cycle.
Apparently some Senators on our side are fine with that.
Throck
(2,520 posts)Where do they fit into the statistical mess?
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social-desirability_bias
MaryMagdaline
(6,851 posts)littlemissmartypants
(22,569 posts)brewens
(13,538 posts)highly vaccinated.
Johnny2X2X
(18,969 posts)The people in some communities who are registered to vote are alos most likely to be vaccinated.
brewens
(13,538 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(144,919 posts)LiberalFighter
(50,783 posts)ananda
(28,834 posts)lol
PortTack
(32,705 posts)Still hovering between 30-40%
ProfessorGAC
(64,852 posts)I saw that in Florida, seniors were vaxxed more than 50% higher than the overall population. IIRC, at that time, it was something like 55% overall & 82% seniors.
Here in Illinois we're around 59% overall and 90% of seniors.
Seniors predominantly voted R in 2016 & 2020.
So, the numbers for all other ages that were T***p voters is likely well under 50%.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)They're vaccinated because they believed they were at real risk of dying from it.
A truth that blasts all excuses for not getting vaccinated by younger RW cohorts who believe their personal chances of survival are very good. Which they have been and still are. Others will die from their mass malice, not them.
Ocelot II
(115,587 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)they're, generally speaking, as happy as they are. And imagine they tend to hang out with each other for lack of alternative.
Ocelot II
(115,587 posts)We can sit in our rocking chairs on the porch and listen to our old Stones albums on the Victrola. Anyhow, when you're old, you're invisible to young people.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)How to still be part of their lives, without being? The time we were roped as part of a family group into a long night of "real" living on the beach, birthday-girl style, it was like a sentence to kiddie club hell.
Birthday girl is in her late 30s now.
Ishoutandscream2
(6,660 posts)That gave me a helluva laugh! Thank you!
IronLionZion
(45,380 posts)wealthy old Trump humpers were first to get vaccinated.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)and belief in protecting themselves is where large numbers of pubs agree with them. I'd be interested in a poll that showed how many in this cohort support a person's "right" to spread deadly disease to others.
IronLionZion
(45,380 posts)while Dem sheep would try not to. Coincidentally, the Villages has a major STD problem too.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)it'd be worth knowing what percentages of over-65 Republicans and right-leaning indies disapprove.
We know some do. We know they lived most of their lives accepting mandatory vaccination and watching epidemic diseases like polio and measles virtually disappear. And we know a very high percentage of this age cohort believes in vaccination for themselves.
How many have been begging their children to get themselves and their grandchildren vaccinated?
Ocelot II
(115,587 posts)They (like me) are old enough to remember getting vaccinated for smallpox and polio, and also old enough to remember that there were common diseases like measles, mumps and chicken pox, for which there were no vaccinations and you just got sick. I'm sure those recollections, along with the fact that initially covid was knocking off mostly older people, made them more receptive to getting vaccinated and to hell with politics.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)and "brother's keeper" replaced by open "depraved indifference to life" and its comments about how only the old and chronically ill (and fat) were dying. Then the anti-vax mania when vaccines threatened to cut short this sociopathic holocaust.
Reminds me. In that year before the vaccines became available, I wondered more than once if some of their anti-mask relatives would be less than broken-hearted at inheriting a decade or three earlier than expected, only a small percentage one would hope, but still. Even more so for those already in reasonably nice assisted living facilities averaging over $4000 a month, but often much more.
Oh, well.
NNadir
(33,470 posts)uponit7771
(90,301 posts)IronLionZion
(45,380 posts)when many of them are not even political. Many unvaccinated minorities might not even vote, and some are Republicans. Conservative minorities and immigrants exist, especially if they're religious.
Treefrog
(4,170 posts)Thank you.
GoodRaisin
(8,908 posts)Way more of them are Republican voters than Democratic voters.
In general, the people I meet that claim they are Independents then proceed to parrot Republican talking points. They think by calling themselves Independents they are open minded, but they are really hard cord magats who cant admit to themselves what they are.
BumRushDaShow
(128,444 posts)It is.
There is a narrative going around that continues to perpetuate that the vast majority of AAs are either not vaccinated or are "hesitant". It's bullshit.
Early on, many were unable to even get access to the vaccines, despite being high risk, because it required going "online" to make appointments (in a manner similar to getting tickets via a lottery to a favorite concert - i.e., "sold out" within a minute or two), and/or the locations weren't convenient and/or many were working jobs that didn't offer time off to get to a vaccination site, where the sites were often only open during the daytime.
Once more "outreach" was done and vaccine was made available for "walk up" and/or at local pharmacies where they normally pick up their scripts, or at churches where some (not all) might go and have a regular ride there, then you had some impact.
The "unvaccinated" outside of the MAGAts, are being exposed as we speak... all those "first responders" like cops, firefighters, and many who actually work in the medical/hospital systems (including long term care and rehabs). One of their excuses? They believe they are "protected enough by their PPE and are taking precautions".
And people wonder how the hell the nursing homes got hit the worst. Certainly the bedridden residents in there didn't go out for a walk to a store, catch the virus, and then come back to the facility, and infect the rest of the place.
An analysis article published just a month ago noted just that fact -
Amid a pandemic of the unvaccinated, more than 40% of the nations nursing home and long-term health care workers have yet to receive vaccinations.
by Jenny Deam, Ryan Gabrielson and Bianca Fortis
July 23, 5 a.m. EDT
They are two sisters in two states. Both are dedicated health care professionals who watched in horror as COVID-19 swept through the nations nursing homes, killing a staggering number of residents and staff alike. One sister is now vaccinated. The other is not. "Dude. Get vaccinated! Heidi Lucas texted her sister Ashley in May from her home in Jefferson City, Missouri. Nope lol, Ashley Lucas texted back from Orbisonia, Pennsylvania. Dont you work with old people? Yeah What if you killed one of them? Get vaccinated, Heidi wrote.
Neither sister is budging as the Delta variant brings a new spike in coronavirus numbers across the nation. Their divide mirrors Americas larger one, where the vaccine to combat COVID-19 is eagerly embraced by some, yet eyed with suspicion and rejected by others. It is the refusal group, including a significant percentage who work in the nations nursing homes, that has confounded and alarmed health care officials who are at a loss as to how to sway them. Nursing homes faced a shocking mortality rate during the pandemic.
In the U.S., COVID-19 killed more than 133,000 residents and nearly 2,000 staff members between May 31, 2020 and this July 4, according to Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services reports. The true toll is thought to be even higher as data gathering lagged in the early months of the crisis, health experts say. Working in a nursing home became one of the most dangerous jobs in America in 2020, according to an analysis of work-related deaths by Scientific American.
Yet seven months after the first vaccines became available to medical professionals, only 59% of staff at the nations nursing homes and other long-term care facilities are fully or partially vaccinated with eight states reporting an average rate of less than half, according to CMS data updated last week. Twenty-three individual facilities had vaccination rates of under 1%, the data showed. Staff vaccinations have lagged even as the overall rate for residents climbed to 83%, according to the CMS data.
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https://www.propublica.org/article/dont-you-work-with-old-people-many-elder-care-workers-still-refuse-to-get-covid-19-vaccine
You also have teachers and education-related staff who are unvaccinated (many spent a year in a hybrid or all-virtual environment so were not really face-to-face with students and others the past year), but were still put near the top of the priority list.
And finally you have the young "invincibles" of ALL races. That 18 - 40 age group were told early on that they were "generally healthy" and "not at risk" and should "wait their turn" when the vaccines were scarce. So by the time it was "their turn", many just said "fuck it, why bother? I survived this long".
LeftInTX
(25,126 posts)"Others are getting vaccinated, so I don't have to"....
Numbers really were going down.....
BumRushDaShow
(128,444 posts)Those are the ones we see in the news reports lying in hospital beds getting pumped with an EUA-only approved "experimental" monoclonal antibody treatment because the vaccine was an EUA-only "experimental" vaccine that was "experimental" and "only an EUA".
TheProle
(2,151 posts)As of this week, 72% of the adult population in the United States have received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine. While this progress represents a marked achievement in vaccinations that has led to steep declines in COVID-19 cases and deaths, vaccination coverageand the protections provided by itremains uneven across the country. With the growing spread of the more transmissible Delta variant, cases, hospitalizations, and deaths are once again rising, largely among unvaccinated people. While White adults account for the largest share (57%) of unvaccinated adults, Black and Hispanic people remain less likely than their White counterparts to have received a vaccine, leaving them at increased risk, particularly as the variant spreads.
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Black people have received smaller shares of vaccinations compared to their shares of cases and the total population in about half of states reporting data. In the remaining reporting states, the share of vaccinations they have received is similar to their shares of cases and the total population. However, in most reporting states, the share of vaccinations received by Black people is smaller than their share of deaths. For example, in the District of Columbia, Black people have received 43% of vaccinations, while they make up 56% of cases, 71% of deaths, and 46% of the total population.
Kingofalldems
(38,422 posts)futem
(18 posts)Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,741 posts)Moebym
(989 posts)What is surprising is how many Trump supporters have gotten vaccinated.