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Kirsten Sinema does not appear to be a serious legislator (Original Post) tenderfoot Aug 2021 OP
Ah, the stately demeanor of a Capital District legislator. nt JanMichael Aug 2021 #1
she looks like she has gone back to being 14. she looks like an idiot. Not a professional woman Trueblue1968 Aug 2021 #23
I was kidding. "Capital District" Hunger Games politicians. JanMichael Aug 2021 #29
Kyrsten Sinema's 'Fuck Off' Ring Is the New 'I Really Don't Care, Do U?' Celerity Aug 2021 #81
Certainly not a lot of fashion seriousness. Ocelot II Aug 2021 #2
What do you normally wear to the monster truck rallies that you attend? True Dough Aug 2021 #3
Not that. I have *some* self-respect. Ocelot II Aug 2021 #8
Yes, you'd think she would treat PatSeg Aug 2021 #92
Getting your hair & mask to match your dress?! unc70 Aug 2021 #4
she's the moronic love-child agingdem Aug 2021 #5
Damn, I haven't worn a mini-skirt and boots since 1965 Trailrider1951 Aug 2021 #6
I've been trying to figure out what is on her feet. brer cat Aug 2021 #11
They're pink, to match her "hair" Trailrider1951 Aug 2021 #33
Ankle boots. Ye gods how retro. Hekate Aug 2021 #71
+1 treestar Aug 2021 #89
Most of the time she dresses like she's going to a picnic, not to a congressional chamber. CrispyQ Aug 2021 #7
I think you're right. madaboutharry Aug 2021 #10
You GO, gurl...... MyOwnPeace Aug 2021 #41
I always regret not saving them and putting them in my memory box. madaboutharry Aug 2021 #53
Ha!! Somewhere in this house MyOwnPeace Aug 2021 #56
My dad had a couple of leisure suits. madaboutharry Aug 2021 #57
In 5th grade, I had a pair of white go-go boots & I felt like a rock star when I wore them! CrispyQ Aug 2021 #91
I absolutely despise women like her Skittles Aug 2021 #9
I know many women whom have their own style - she tries way too hard. tenderfoot Aug 2021 #14
"Made you look!" must be her version of "owning the libs". nt Carlitos Brigante Aug 2021 #12
She needs to be primaried. roamer65 Aug 2021 #13
THIS 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻 LenaBaby61 Aug 2021 #15
Yes..i am tired of her Demovictory9 Aug 2021 #28
Well she's unique, one of a kind (which is a good thing). Raine Aug 2021 #16
Yes, unique in her being a rare Democrat that gave Trump a standing ovation. tenderfoot Aug 2021 #40
+1 dalton99a Aug 2021 #75
Ugh. betsuni Aug 2021 #76
Hear she is lying about the Filibuster on the View tenderfoot Aug 2021 #77
Literally a perpetual child vercetti2021 Aug 2021 #17
ya think? pamdb Aug 2021 #18
Can someone share a post they've made on the clothing choices of a male legislator? brooklynite Aug 2021 #19
Amen luv2fly Aug 2021 #20
Name a male legislator whose clothing choices are so obviously made to draw attention to himself, Ocelot II Aug 2021 #21
So the next time a victim of sexual assault was "asking for it".... brooklynite Aug 2021 #24
No, of course not, and you know very well that's not what I mean. Ocelot II Aug 2021 #46
Jim Jacket-off Jordan and Matt Pompadour & Fake-Tan Gaetz. Ted Cruz in sweaty gym clothes. Hekate Aug 2021 #72
I don't care how she dresses in general but questionseverything Aug 2021 #27
Here... tenderfoot Aug 2021 #32
Ick ick ick! I forgot Ted Cruz in the sweaty gym clothes! Hekate Aug 2021 #73
pic Celerity Aug 2021 #80
Plenty of people have commented about Jim Jordan dansolo Aug 2021 #48
Thank you. No, it's not just you. The homophobia in this thread is appalling.... George II Sep 2021 #98
my opinion. SHE IS IN IT only for the power & money. Not to help our country of people Trueblue1968 Aug 2021 #22
I know her! She's that woman who sits at the end of the bar smoking those long thin cigarettes Atticus Aug 2021 #25
On a serious note, she and Manchin are advising the renegade 9 conservadems who are trying to Celerity Aug 2021 #26
Whoa. This is long. But Thanks. Caliman73 Aug 2021 #31
I try to give a deep background for what I post when it comes to things like this, as the Celerity Aug 2021 #35
You are right: that's some Class-A Ratfcking right there. I assume you have it bookmarked... Hekate Aug 2021 #74
You are very thorough ornotna Aug 2021 #37
I don't care about her looks or fashion. Caliman73 Aug 2021 #30
Sinema's style may well be a personal expression of her sexuality. lapucelle Aug 2021 #34
"I gotta be honest, I'm not sure I remember it," Sinema actually responded tenderfoot Aug 2021 #36
Not sure what this guy is trying to 'splain here. N/T lapucelle Aug 2021 #43
I think he's telling us the Sinema uses her "sexuality" to serve her own self interest. tenderfoot Aug 2021 #44
What I'm hearing is that he's judgemental and a poor ally. Why is "sexuality" in quotes? lapucelle Aug 2021 #49
You obviously did not read anything he said tenderfoot Aug 2021 #50
I absolutely read what he wrote. It's a reprehensible misrepresentation to say she is "blocking it". lapucelle Aug 2021 #54
Why? Because she was blocking it? tenderfoot Aug 2021 #55
In what way is *she* blocking a bill that has never been introduced on the floor? lapucelle Aug 2021 #58
You're not being serious tenderfoot Aug 2021 #59
Oh you are playing the "if it hasn't been voted on it's not blocked" game to cover for those two. Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2021 #94
Michelangelo Signorile is gay BradAllison Aug 2021 #64
Yes, I know. Sexuality is a spectrum, not a monolith. N/T lapucelle Aug 2021 #83
Uh, Signorile isn't an "ally" Sympthsical Aug 2021 #66
Anyone who asserts that he is not an ally will get no argument on that score. N/T lapucelle Aug 2021 #84
"Ally" means someone who is not a member of the community. I was correcting you. Sympthsical Aug 2021 #96
I know what ally means. N/T lapucelle Aug 2021 #97
thismakesnosense Shellback Squid Aug 2021 #68
If she thinks *that* getup is sexy she's seriously confused - but I doubt that's it. Ocelot II Aug 2021 #93
It'd be nice to have a list luv2fly Aug 2021 #38
Write one for us... LanternWaste Aug 2021 #61
Turtle owns her. kairos12 Aug 2021 #39
+1 n/t area51 Aug 2021 #47
I don't like her fashion "sense", but that is not why she is not senseandsensibility Aug 2021 #42
Does Arizona have a strong female candidate ChazII Aug 2021 #45
Yeah, Meghan McCain in the General Election Polybius Aug 2021 #70
If McCain were to run against Sinema ChazII Aug 2021 #85
you win some and you lose some... Takket Aug 2021 #51
THAT is the bottom line...... MyOwnPeace Aug 2021 #60
I need an education. What is the dress code for serious legislators? Raven123 Aug 2021 #52
Look around the room and you'll spot the serious legislators of both parties. Take notes... Hekate Aug 2021 #79
See Explore Talent Website Mary in S. Carolina Aug 2021 #62
Could care less about her outfit. CrackityJones75 Aug 2021 #63
She is crafty, and not genuine BradAllison Aug 2021 #65
trump with pink hair and no sense of his style Shellback Squid Aug 2021 #67
WTF is she wearing? Polybius Aug 2021 #69
Mutton dressed as lamb, as Jane Austen would have said. nt Hekate Aug 2021 #78
I think men or women in their 40's who constantly posts gifs or smileys is worse than that. SunImp Aug 2021 #82
Her thumbs down vote said it all. themaguffin Aug 2021 #86
She's doing what some Republicans do... Lars39 Aug 2021 #87
She hasn't given any reason treestar Aug 2021 #88
A shallow Cyndi Lauper wannabe, without Cyndi's talent, integrity, or Democratic Party Roisin Ni Fiachra Aug 2021 #90
NEXT: Sinema Enters Senate Chamber In Revealing Lingerie dalton99a Aug 2021 #95

Celerity

(43,307 posts)
81. Kyrsten Sinema's 'Fuck Off' Ring Is the New 'I Really Don't Care, Do U?'
Tue Aug 24, 2021, 05:15 AM
Aug 2021
Arizona Senator Kyrsten Sinema, who voted against raising the minimum wage, wore an expletive-laden ring to brunch. It is not sexist to criticize it.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/kyrsten-sinemas-fuck-off-ring-is-the-new-i-really-dont-care-do-u





For a woman who voted against raising the federal minimum wage, leaving servers across the country underpaid, Kyrsten Sinema sure seems to love brunch. Or at least she appeared to be enjoying a carefree #SundayFunday this weekend, made evident by a post to her Instagram page. In the screenshot, Sinema sips from a bendy straw, her eyes looking off into the distance as if she just recognized a friend. She wears pink glasses and a raspberry newsboy cap that match her drink. Thick hoops containing pressed flowers dangled from her ears. But the focal point of the image, nearly dead center in the frame, was Sinema’s ring: gilded script wrapped around her third finger that screamed, “FUCK OFF.” Those seem like fighting words from Sinema, who turned against her fellow Democrats—not to mention the 80 million people who rely on hourly pay—to vote no on bumping the minimum wage up to $15 an hour. (She is currently working with Senator Mitt Romney on a proposal to make it $11— lower than her home state Arizona’s $12.)



The ring seems to communicate a perceived irritation—those pesky haters deigning to criticize her decision to leave millions living in poverty. The photos made the rounds on Twitter, with some seeing “let them eat cake” in the message. But the accessory isn’t just touting aloofness; there is venom in the statement. Leave me alone, it says, even though our anger is a direct response to her own choices. “The fuck off ring is a gut punch to the people that worked their ass off to elect her. Shameful,” Breonna Westbrook, the vice-chair and executive committee member of the Arizona Democratic Party, tweeted. (The organization did not respond to The Daily Beast’s request for further comment, and neither did Sinema’s office.) Others saw in the ring the centrist Democratic version of that grotesque, “I really don’t care, do u?” Zara coat Melania Trump chose to put on while visiting detained migrant children at the border.



But really, this posturing—the “Who, me?” of it all—is the latest in a series of Sinema missteps. The senator’s office called it sexism when people reacted to her dramatic thumbs down vote on the minimum wage. “Commentary about a female senator’s body language, clothing, or physical demeanour does not belong in a serious media outlet,” Sinema spokesperson Hannah Hurley told Huffington Post back in March. That is an obvious cop-out, a deflection meant to obfuscate and distract from the main issue. But with the “Fuck off” ring, Sinema wields a token of girlishness—costume jewellery—to double down on her horrendous decision. No, it’s never OK to comment on a woman’s appearance, but when a public figure incorporates her trash values into her wardrobe, then all bets are off. Sinema has definitely been the target of misogynistic trolls before. When she wore a mint green wig to Congress last summer, Conservative pundits made fun of her Troll doll-hued strands. It was a tired, and deeply flawed attempted “gotcha” moment from Republicans: can you believe a sitting U.S. senator dresses like that?

Sinema’s hair color doesn’t matter much to me. But her “Fuck off” ring begs the question: why does she work as a public servant if she seems to hate people that much? It’s also reminiscent of Lindsey Lohan’s “Fuck you” manicure, the one she wore while in court for a probation violation back in 2010. The nails were hotly debated at the time, taken as exhibit A of the young star’s privilege and brattiness. Sinema’s ring is the same talking point: she’s giving us the finger just because she can. And what does Sinema have to complain about right now? Expletives aside, it’s not very radical or punk rock to erode the rights of the working class—even if you sometimes dye your hair green. Sinema, who rose to prominence in the Green Party and was the first bisexual member of the U.S. Senate, might want to fashion herself as the cool alt senator. But time and again, she proves with her stylings that there is more to walking the walk than mere dress-up. Wear all the rings you want, Senator Sinema, but do not be upset when we take you at your word.



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Ocelot II

(115,673 posts)
2. Certainly not a lot of fashion seriousness.
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 06:28 PM
Aug 2021

I wouldn't wear that outfit to a monster truck rally. What a mess.

PatSeg

(47,399 posts)
92. Yes, you'd think she would treat
Tue Aug 24, 2021, 10:39 AM
Aug 2021

the office of senator with a little more respect and dignity. It is like she is a participant in a reality TV show.

CrispyQ

(36,457 posts)
7. Most of the time she dresses like she's going to a picnic, not to a congressional chamber.
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 06:35 PM
Aug 2021

This outfit? What is she? Twelve?

madaboutharry

(40,207 posts)
10. I think you're right.
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 06:44 PM
Aug 2021

That outfit, especially with the pink boots, is very middle school.

12 to 13 years is the time of breakout fashion for a lot of girls. I do remember that when I was in 7th grade, I had these snake skin pattern tight pants that I adored. I wore them with a hot pink fuzzy sweater. It was my most favorite outfit!

MyOwnPeace

(16,925 posts)
56. Ha!! Somewhere in this house
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 08:11 PM
Aug 2021

I've got a puka shell necklace that went with my 'lime green leisure suit' - John Travolta had NOTHING on me!!!
I actually melted a hole in a beautiful "Hawaiian polyester shirt" one evening because I dropped an ash from a 'medicinal' herb that I was enjoying.....
Fortunately, there is NO photographic evidence of ANY of this - and even this post is from a Russian hacker!

CrispyQ

(36,457 posts)
91. In 5th grade, I had a pair of white go-go boots & I felt like a rock star when I wore them!
Tue Aug 24, 2021, 10:31 AM
Aug 2021

Sinema was at a signing with Biden & some others from Congress & everyone was dressed professionally except for her. I think she's basking in all the attention she's getting, not to mention all the right wing money she's probably getting.

Skittles

(153,147 posts)
9. I absolutely despise women like her
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 06:43 PM
Aug 2021

she's the kind of gal who complains about women being judged on their appearance, while doing everything she can to draw attention to her appearance.......and by the way, she looks RIDICULOUS

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
13. She needs to be primaried.
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 06:51 PM
Aug 2021

…and not for her taste in fashion.

For her unwillingness to pass the $3.5T package.

LenaBaby61

(6,974 posts)
15. THIS 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 06:55 PM
Aug 2021

She's a bought and paid for shill for the GQP/US Taliban.

She most definitely needs to be primaried.

vercetti2021

(10,156 posts)
17. Literally a perpetual child
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 07:02 PM
Aug 2021

I hope Arizona dems can find someone better and more stable to replace her. She is clearly not wanting to do her job as a senator

brooklynite

(94,501 posts)
19. Can someone share a post they've made on the clothing choices of a male legislator?
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 07:08 PM
Aug 2021

Seems a bit sexist, but maybe that’s just me.

luv2fly

(2,475 posts)
20. Amen
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 07:12 PM
Aug 2021

Was just going to post something similar but your words are much nicer. It's ridiculous that people are picking on her appearance, especially when there's so much more to criticize her about.

Ocelot II

(115,673 posts)
21. Name a male legislator whose clothing choices are so obviously made to draw attention to himself,
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 07:13 PM
Aug 2021

and I'll be glad to drag him for it.

brooklynite

(94,501 posts)
24. So the next time a victim of sexual assault was "asking for it"....
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 07:16 PM
Aug 2021

…because of what she was wearing, we should assume she was drawing attention to herself?

Ocelot II

(115,673 posts)
46. No, of course not, and you know very well that's not what I mean.
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 07:50 PM
Aug 2021

What Sinema is clearly trying to do is stand out from the boring herd as a maverick with a mind of her own, and one of the ways she seems to be doing this - besides constantly obstructing the Democrats' agenda - is by dressing like a goth teenager or something; it's not sexy, just weird. If a male legislator showed up wearing Zubaz, flip-flops and a Grateful Dead t-shirt (though I think he'd have to wear a tie) so people would notice him, he'd get a well-deserved ration of crap for that, too. Gym Jordan is a less extreme example - he never wears a suit coat, maybe just to show off his muscles, but everybody notices, which is no doubt just what he wants.

Hekate

(90,643 posts)
72. Jim Jacket-off Jordan and Matt Pompadour & Fake-Tan Gaetz. Ted Cruz in sweaty gym clothes.
Tue Aug 24, 2021, 02:16 AM
Aug 2021

There. We’re not nice to them, either, for their sartorial choices.

questionseverything

(9,651 posts)
27. I don't care how she dresses in general but
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 07:21 PM
Aug 2021

Since she is trying to derail the reconciliation bill which does more to end child poverty than I thought possible while dressing as a twelve year old


It actually seems sinister

Like …. Haha she is going to go back to starving kids while she has no real problems

dansolo

(5,376 posts)
48. Plenty of people have commented about Jim Jordan
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 07:51 PM
Aug 2021

His unprofessionalism has been the subject of many posts on here. Kyrsten Sinema isn't exempt from criticism because she is a woman. THAT would be sexist.

George II

(67,782 posts)
98. Thank you. No, it's not just you. The homophobia in this thread is appalling....
Wed Sep 1, 2021, 07:52 PM
Sep 2021

....glad I missed last week.

Atticus

(15,124 posts)
25. I know her! She's that woman who sits at the end of the bar smoking those long thin cigarettes
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 07:18 PM
Aug 2021

and wearing dangly plastic glitter earrings that match her lighter.

If she's paying, she orders small drafts. If someone else will pay, she favors double Grey Goose Gibsons.

Celerity

(43,307 posts)
26. On a serious note, she and Manchin are advising the renegade 9 conservadems who are trying to
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 07:19 PM
Aug 2021

ratfuck Biden and Pelosi with the $3.5 trillion infrastructure bill.. Also involved are the odious RW backed 'centre-right-wearing bi-partisan clothes' stalking horse Problem Solvers and their Lieberman-run (and RW billionaire founded and funded for the most part) No Labels parent group. Many from that Problem Solvers group where the ones who led the charge against Pelosi for speaker as well.


Manchin and Sinema lead the Democrat mutiny against Nancy Pelosi by telling moderates NOT to back the $3.2TRILLION budget until the $1.2trillion infrastructure deal is signed

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9908843/Manchin-Sinema-lead-mutiny-against-Pelosi-telling-moderates-NOT-3-5-TRILLION-budget.html





Manchin and Sinema advising House centrists

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/democratic-standoff-manchin-sinema-advising-230407254.html

Centrist Democratic Sens. Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema are reportedly advising — and encouraging — the nine moderate House Democrats who are threatening to derail the party’s $3.5 trillion budget plan containing major portions of President Biden’s economic agenda.

The nine House members have threatened to withhold their support for the budget blueprint unless House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) agrees to a quick vote on the $ 1 trillion bipartisan infrastructure bill passed by the Senate.

Axios’s Hans Nichols reports that Manchin (WV) and Sinema (AZ) “are helping allies in the House to stake out — and defend — their centrist position” and are providing advice on negotiations with the White House and congressional leadership. Both senators voted for the budget resolution but have expressed concern about the cost of the Democratic spending plan it outlines. No Labels, a group that advocates for bipartisan legislation, is also backing the House moderates with a reported six-figure ad buy on national cable.

Pelosi reportedly referred to the House moderates’ pressure tactics as “amateur hour” on a leadership call early this week and has held fast to her plan for a vote next week on the $3.5 trillion budget resolution. “Pelosi’s plan is, essentially, to stare them down and to let them feel what it’s like to have the sensation of an entire party, and the future of that party’s agenda, bearing down on them,” Slate’s Jim Newell writes.






9 Moderate Democrats Threaten To Derail Pelosi's Infrastructure And Budget Plan

https://www.npr.org/2021/08/13/1027371749/moderate-house-democrats-infrastructure-budget-vote-pelosi

Nine moderate House Democrats warned Speaker Nancy Pelosi they won't vote for a budget resolution critical to passing Democrats' $3.5 trillion social policy package unless the House first passes a Senate-approved infrastructure bill, a move that threatens to derail the party's economic agenda.

"Some have suggested that we hold off on considering the Senate infrastructure bill for months — until the reconciliation process is completed. We disagree," the lawmakers wrote Thursday in a letter to Pelosi. "With the livelihoods of hardworking American families at stake, we simply can't afford months of unnecessary delays and risk squandering this once-in-a-century, bipartisan infrastructure package. It's time to get shovels in the ground and people to work."

The letter is signed by Reps.

Josh Gottheimer of New Jersey,
Carolyn Bourdeaux of Georgia,
Filemon Vela of Texas,
Jared Golden of Maine,
Henry Cuellar of Texas,
Vicente Gonzalez of Texas,
Ed Case of Hawaii,
Jim Costa of California and
Kurt Schrader of Oregon.

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/house-moderate-letter/5b8ef8791c8e4abe/full.pdf


We’ve obtained the donor list for No Labels. It’s filled with the biggest names in private equity and hedge funds

How No Labels Went From Preaching Unity to Practicing the Dark Arts

https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-no-labels-went-from-preaching-unity-to-practicing-the-dark-arts


The Slick “No Labels” Plan to Duck Debate, Cut Social Security and Coddle the 1%

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-slick-no-labels-effor_b_1678389


Policy group No Labels hires Mark Halperin years after sexual harassment scandal

https://www.axios.com/mark-halperin-sexual-harassment-hires-no-labels-053919e1-486a-4c77-97d8-c1dbd2a73723.html




Bipartisan ‘No Labels’ group’s super PAC network revealed: mega Chicago donors

https://chicago.suntimes.com/2018/3/12/18316470/bipartisan-no-labels-group-s-super-pac-network-revealed-mega-chicago-donors

With a boost from Chicago-area mega donors, including White Sox and Bulls Chairman Jerry Reinsdorf, No Labels, a group advocating bipartisanship in Congress, has created a network of super PACs to influence the 2018 elections — but doesn’t want its fingerprints on the money.

One of the super PACs, United for Progress Inc., has spent $740,334 as of Sunday to bolster Rep. Dan Lipinski, D-Ill., in his March 20 Illinois Democratic primary battle with Marie Newman in the 3rd Congressional District. The names of the super PACS don’t link them to No Labels. A Sun-Times investigation determined super PACS related to No Labels include: United for Progress Inc.; Citizens for a Strong America Inc.; United Together; Govern or Go Home; and Forward, Not Back.

The Sun-Times inquiry included interviews with donors or their representatives and an examination of documents filed with the Federal Election Commission. United for Progress, Inc., is playing political hardball, attacking Newman in the commercials and direct mail pieces it paid for. Lipinski is part of a No Labels offshoot, the congressional “Problem Solvers Caucus.”

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THE ILLINOIS CONNECTIONS: Last year, a No Labels leader, former Sen. Joe Lieberman, was a draw at a meeting at the Chicago Club, 81 E. Van Buren. Lieberman was the 2000 Democratic vice presidential nominee who became an Independent senator from Connecticut.

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No Labels funds dishonest attacks against Marie Newman to boost Blue Dog Dan Lipinski

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/3/13/1748758/-Centrist-group-No-Labels-funds-dishonest-attacks-against-Marie-Newman-to-back-Blue-Dog-Dan-Lipinski

Well what do you know: It turns out the mysterious super PAC called United for Progress, which has spent at least $740,000 to help conservative Democratic Rep. Dan Lipinski in his primary against progressive challenger Marie Newman, received much of its funding from the aggressively centrist group No Labels and billionaire mega-donor Jerry Reinsdorf, who is chairman of both the Chicago White Sox and the Chicago Bulls. No Labels promotes the same sort of naive #bothsides mentality that plagues the world of cable news punditry, and even went so far as to moronically label Donald Trump a "problem solver" during his presidential campaign.

While support from No Labels itself should be a mark of shame for any Democrat running in a safely blue district like this one, the mailer they've been funding is even more disgraceful. It takes the guise of an ominous fake-but-official-looking letter from "Illinois Restaurant Enforcement" that claims the restaurant Newman once owned was guilty of health code violations, then proceeds to outright lie about the economic impact of the single-payer healthcare plan Newman supports.



One would expect to see Republicans launch these sorts of dishonest attacks against a progressive challenger, not those who support a nominal Democratic incumbent. And it's one more reason why Democrats in this 55-40 Clinton district can do a whole lot better than Dan Lipinski.

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Delusional Group Declares Donald Trump a ‘Problem Solver’

The only problem Trump could solve is that we don’t have a dumb enough president

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/delusional-group-declares-donald-trump-a-problem-solver-58107/

Here are some labels that apply to Donald Trump:

–Racist
–Egomaniac
–Bloviator
–Delusional
–Liar
–Asshole

On Monday, the nonpartisan group No Labels gave him a new, and hilarious, one: problem solver.

Six presidential candidates – Democrat Martin O’Malley and Republicans Ben Carson, Chris Christie, John Kasich, Rand Paul and Trump – signed the organization’s Problem Solver Promise, officially making them No Labels Problem Solvers. The group says it will bestow the label on any candidate who signs its meaningless pledge.

No Labels declined to make an exception for Trump – the candidate who has proposed, among many other things, building a giant border wall, deporting 11 million people, banning Muslims from entering the country and shutting down mosques. In just the last two days, he’s come out in favor of direct head-to-head collisions in the NFL and elephant torture.

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‘Holocaust Denier’ Smear Hits Tight Chicago Area Congressional Primary

https://forward.com/fast-forward/396658/holocaust-denier-smear-hits-tight-chicago-area-congressional-primary/

A heated Democratic congressional primary race in suburban Chicago has reached a new low, as accusations of Holocaust denial are falsely hurled at progressive challenger Marie Newman.

Newman, who is seeking to unseat the incumbent Dan Lipinski as the Democratic candidate for Illinois’ 3rd congressional district, has staked a liberal position, hoping it would convince Democrats to chose her way over that of Lipinski, a “blue dog” Democrat known for his more conservative views.

In recent days, Newman claimed, voters have been receiving text messages from activists with the Washington-based No Labels group, trying to convince voters not to support her. In one instance, a voter receiving the text message informed the sender that he has already decided to vote for Newman, not Lipinski. “His opponent is a Holocaust denier among other things,” the Lipinski supporter texted back. In a second exchange, the voter was told again about Newman: “Did you know she’s a Holocaust denier.”

Newman accused Lipinski of “playing politics with a tragedy in human history that cost the lives of millions—and which deeply affects those of Jewish heritage, including my husband and his family.” Lipinski is considered one of the few endangered Democratic incumbents in the nation due to the tight primary. The winner should easily beat a Republican challenger in the district that voted for Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump by a healthy 16% margin.

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Group Tied To Lipinski Says Marie Newman Is 'A Holocaust Denier'

IL-3 Democratic challenger Marie Newman claims group tied to Congressman Dan Lipinski is texting voters saying she's a 'Holocaust denier.'

https://patch.com/illinois/oaklawn/group-tied-lipinski-claims-she-s-holocaust-denier


LA GRANGE, IL -- Challenger Marie Newman is calling out Congressman Dan Lipinski for running a "dishonest machine-style campaign" after some of her supporters complained of receiving text messages stating that Newman is a "Holocaust denier." Newman and Lipinski are said to be in a statistical dead heat in the contentious Democratic primary in Illinois's 3rd Congressional District. Supporters said they began receiving the text messages this past weekend.

A woman who identifies herself as "Leslie Benjamini" from the Washington, D.C.-based No Labels group -- a political centrist organization comprised of Republicans, Democrats and Independents who aim to combat partisan dysfunction in politics by focusing on bipartisan problem solving -- texted a voter asking him if he planned to vote for Dan Lipinski in the March 20 Democratic primary. When the the receiver stated he is voting for Newman, Benjamini states that Lipinski's opponent is a Holocaust denier. Benjamini tells the receiver to look up "No Labels, a new group that is trying to get government working again." The message goes on to state that Lipinski is a "believer in this group."

"His opponent is a Holocaust denier among other things," the text goes on to say. "Please educate yourself before you vote. All I ask."

Lipinski does have an opponent who is a Holocaust denier who is running as the lone candidate in the Republican primary in Illinois' 3rd District, avowed neo-Nazi Art Jones of Lyons. In the second message sent to the Newman supporter, Benjamini mistakes the receiver's phone number for his mother's.

"For the second time I am NOT [NAME] … she is my mother and she hosted a fundraiser for Marie Newman. And for the record, I voted for her early Saturday [March 10]." "Thanks for voting," Benjamini texts back. "Did you know she's a Holocaust denier."

The No Labels group based in Washington, D.C., was founded in 2010. The group strives to "create a vibrant New Center that supports leaders who put country before party." No Labels inspired the Problem Solvers Caucus, a bipartisan group of congressional members that includes Lipinski. A Chicago Sun-Times investigation has also tied No Labels to such Super PACS as United for Progress Inc. As of late, United for Progress Inc. has been sent out a flurry of political hit pieces attacking Newman's progressive agenda, as well as TV and radio commercials

An angry Newman demanded an apology from Lipinski, accusing the congressman of running "dishonest machine campaign."


snip





‘No Labels’ Needs A Warning Label

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/opinion-no-labels-mark-pocan_n_5c06b110e4b0cd916fb0b042

I was duped.

When I was elected to Congress in 2012, I attended the Bipartisan Program for Newly Elected Members of Congress at Harvard University. I was so excited to be a member of a branch of government for the most awesome country on the planet. At the program, one of the presentations was from a group named No Labels. The organization put forward a proposal for governing that meant working across the aisle to solve problems and stopping the gridlock in Washington. I was excited! While I was a strong progressive in the Wisconsin Legislature, that was my governing approach. By working with people who do not always agree with you, you find out what you have in common and you can get good things done.

snip

However, things quickly went south. I attended a few meetings at the outset, but the rhetoric wasn’t about finding ways to get things done and breaking gridlock ― rather it was more about finding more centrist, more corporate and more special interest-focused things to do. Soon thereafter, No Labels became involved in elections with a closely contested U.S. Senate race in Colorado, backing Republican Cory Gardner over Democrat Mark Udall. That didn’t seem right. A group that wasn’t supposed to pick labels was doing exactly that: picking a label. When asked to join the Problem Solvers Caucus, members were never told that this would be part of the program.

snip

I drifted away from the organization, as apparently did most people who thought it was focused on trying to break through the gridlock in Washington. No Labels’ membership has dwindled steadily since 2015. Fast-forward to the past few weeks, when No Labels’ Problem Solvers Caucus tried to threaten Nancy Pelosi’s speakership. While No Labels was originally advertised as a group committed to getting things done and breaking gridlock, it now seems more focused on stopping Pelosi and providing a fast track for special interests and lobbyists.

Worse, this past week I’ve read a few articles regarding what No Labels has been up to in the last couple of years. First, the organization spent almost twice as much helping re-elect Republicans as it spent helping Democrats. Second, reporters reviewed email correspondence that showed No Labels contemplating a plan to attack Pelosi and use her leadership as a wedge to divide congressional Democrats. And third, it’s clear that No Labels never had any meaningful ultimatums or demands on rules for leadership during eight years of a Republican-led House, or over the last four years of a Republican-led Senate. No Labels only has challenges for Democratic leadership in the House, specifically, for our next speaker, Nancy Pelosi.

That sure seems like a label to me. Look, I get it. No Labels is slick, and I got duped. But no other current or newly elected member of Congress should fall for its shtick. No Labels is a centrist, corporate organization working against Democrats with dark, anonymous money to advance power for special interests. Period.

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Caliman73

(11,730 posts)
31. Whoa. This is long. But Thanks.
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 07:28 PM
Aug 2021

This is the kind of information needed, not shots at how Sinema dresses.

Celerity

(43,307 posts)
35. I try to give a deep background for what I post when it comes to things like this, as the
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 07:33 PM
Aug 2021

sealioning by some in the past who are Problem Solvers and No Labels fanbois/fangirls got so tedious to constantly respond to.

Hekate

(90,643 posts)
74. You are right: that's some Class-A Ratfcking right there. I assume you have it bookmarked...
Tue Aug 24, 2021, 02:26 AM
Aug 2021

… for yourself. I had a whole collection of research articles on Tulsi Gabbard back when she was running for President that I would drag out as needed.

Inserting your post into my reply so I can add it to my Journal. I don’t know how else to save it by itself.

Celerity
On a serious note, she and Manchin are advising the renegade 9 conservadems who are trying to

ratfuck Biden and Pelosi with the $3.5 trillion infrastructure bill.. Also involved are the odious RW backed 'centre-right-wearing bi-partisan clothes' stalking horse Problem Solvers and their Lieberman-run (and RW billionaire founded and funded for the most part) No Labels parent group. Many from that Problem Solvers group where the ones who led the charge against Pelosi for speaker as well.


Manchin and Sinema lead the Democrat mutiny against Nancy Pelosi by telling moderates NOT to back the $3.2TRILLION budget until the $1.2trillion infrastructure deal is signed

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9908843/Manchin-Sinema-lead-mutiny-against-Pelosi-telling-moderates-NOT-3-5-TRILLION-budget.html





Manchin and Sinema advising House centrists

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/democratic-standoff-manchin-sinema-advising-230407254.html

Centrist Democratic Sens. Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema are reportedly advising — and encouraging — the nine moderate House Democrats who are threatening to derail the party’s $3.5 trillion budget plan containing major portions of President Biden’s economic agenda.

The nine House members have threatened to withhold their support for the budget blueprint unless House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) agrees to a quick vote on the $ 1 trillion bipartisan infrastructure bill passed by the Senate.

Axios’s Hans Nichols reports that Manchin (WV) and Sinema (AZ) “are helping allies in the House to stake out — and defend — their centrist position” and are providing advice on negotiations with the White House and congressional leadership. Both senators voted for the budget resolution but have expressed concern about the cost of the Democratic spending plan it outlines. No Labels, a group that advocates for bipartisan legislation, is also backing the House moderates with a reported six-figure ad buy on national cable.

Pelosi reportedly referred to the House moderates’ pressure tactics as “amateur hour” on a leadership call early this week and has held fast to her plan for a vote next week on the $3.5 trillion budget resolution. “Pelosi’s plan is, essentially, to stare them down and to let them feel what it’s like to have the sensation of an entire party, and the future of that party’s agenda, bearing down on them,” Slate’s Jim Newell writes.







9 Moderate Democrats Threaten To Derail Pelosi's Infrastructure And Budget Plan

https://www.npr.org/2021/08/13/1027371749/moderate-house-democrats-infrastructure-budget-vote-pelosi

Nine moderate House Democrats warned Speaker Nancy Pelosi they won't vote for a budget resolution critical to passing Democrats' $3.5 trillion social policy package unless the House first passes a Senate-approved infrastructure bill, a move that threatens to derail the party's economic agenda.

"Some have suggested that we hold off on considering the Senate infrastructure bill for months — until the reconciliation process is completed. We disagree," the lawmakers wrote Thursday in a letter to Pelosi. "With the livelihoods of hardworking American families at stake, we simply can't afford months of unnecessary delays and risk squandering this once-in-a-century, bipartisan infrastructure package. It's time to get shovels in the ground and people to work."

The letter is signed by Reps.

Josh Gottheimer of New Jersey,
Carolyn Bourdeaux of Georgia,
Filemon Vela of Texas,
Jared Golden of Maine,
Henry Cuellar of Texas,
Vicente Gonzalez of Texas,
Ed Case of Hawaii,
Jim Costa of California and
Kurt Schrader of Oregon.

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/house-moderate-letter/5b8ef8791c8e4abe/full.pdf


We’ve obtained the donor list for No Labels. It’s filled with the biggest names in private equity and hedge funds

How No Labels Went From Preaching Unity to Practicing the Dark Arts

https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-no-labels-went-from-preaching-unity-to-practicing-the-dark-arts


The Slick “No Labels” Plan to Duck Debate, Cut Social Security and Coddle the 1%

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-slick-no-labels-effor_b_1678389


Policy group No Labels hires Mark Halperin years after sexual harassment scandal

https://www.axios.com/mark-halperin-sexual-harassment-hires-no-labels-053919e1-486a-4c77-97d8-c1dbd2a73723.html




Bipartisan ‘No Labels’ group’s super PAC network revealed: mega Chicago donors

https://chicago.suntimes.com/2018/3/12/18316470/bipartisan-no-labels-group-s-super-pac-network-revealed-mega-chicago-donors

With a boost from Chicago-area mega donors, including White Sox and Bulls Chairman Jerry Reinsdorf, No Labels, a group advocating bipartisanship in Congress, has created a network of super PACs to influence the 2018 elections — but doesn’t want its fingerprints on the money.

One of the super PACs, United for Progress Inc., has spent $740,334 as of Sunday to bolster Rep. Dan Lipinski, D-Ill., in his March 20 Illinois Democratic primary battle with Marie Newman in the 3rd Congressional District. The names of the super PACS don’t link them to No Labels. A Sun-Times investigation determined super PACS related to No Labels include: United for Progress Inc.; Citizens for a Strong America Inc.; United Together; Govern or Go Home; and Forward, Not Back.

The Sun-Times inquiry included interviews with donors or their representatives and an examination of documents filed with the Federal Election Commission. United for Progress, Inc., is playing political hardball, attacking Newman in the commercials and direct mail pieces it paid for. Lipinski is part of a No Labels offshoot, the congressional “Problem Solvers Caucus.”

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THE ILLINOIS CONNECTIONS: Last year, a No Labels leader, former Sen. Joe Lieberman, was a draw at a meeting at the Chicago Club, 81 E. Van Buren. Lieberman was the 2000 Democratic vice presidential nominee who became an Independent senator from Connecticut.

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No Labels funds dishonest attacks against Marie Newman to boost Blue Dog Dan Lipinski

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/3/13/1748758/-Centrist-group-No-Labels-funds-dishonest-attacks-against-Marie-Newman-to-back-Blue-Dog-Dan-Lipinski

Well what do you know: It turns out the mysterious super PAC called United for Progress, which has spent at least $740,000 to help conservative Democratic Rep. Dan Lipinski in his primary against progressive challenger Marie Newman, received much of its funding from the aggressively centrist group No Labels and billionaire mega-donor Jerry Reinsdorf, who is chairman of both the Chicago White Sox and the Chicago Bulls. No Labels promotes the same sort of naive #bothsides mentality that plagues the world of cable news punditry, and even went so far as to moronically label Donald Trump a "problem solver" during his presidential campaign.

While support from No Labels itself should be a mark of shame for any Democrat running in a safely blue district like this one, the mailer they've been funding is even more disgraceful. It takes the guise of an ominous fake-but-official-looking letter from "Illinois Restaurant Enforcement" that claims the restaurant Newman once owned was guilty of health code violations, then proceeds to outright lie about the economic impact of the single-payer healthcare plan Newman supports.



One would expect to see Republicans launch these sorts of dishonest attacks against a progressive challenger, not those who support a nominal Democratic incumbent. And it's one more reason why Democrats in this 55-40 Clinton district can do a whole lot better than Dan Lipinski.

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Delusional Group Declares Donald Trump a ‘Problem Solver’

The only problem Trump could solve is that we don’t have a dumb enough president

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/delusional-group-declares-donald-trump-a-problem-solver-58107/

Here are some labels that apply to Donald Trump:

–Racist
–Egomaniac
–Bloviator
–Delusional
–Liar
–Asshole

On Monday, the nonpartisan group No Labels gave him a new, and hilarious, one: problem solver.

Six presidential candidates – Democrat Martin O’Malley and Republicans Ben Carson, Chris Christie, John Kasich, Rand Paul and Trump – signed the organization’s Problem Solver Promise, officially making them No Labels Problem Solvers. The group says it will bestow the label on any candidate who signs its meaningless pledge.

No Labels declined to make an exception for Trump – the candidate who has proposed, among many other things, building a giant border wall, deporting 11 million people, banning Muslims from entering the country and shutting down mosques. In just the last two days, he’s come out in favor of direct head-to-head collisions in the NFL and elephant torture.

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‘Holocaust Denier’ Smear Hits Tight Chicago Area Congressional Primary

https://forward.com/fast-forward/396658/holocaust-denier-smear-hits-tight-chicago-area-congressional-primary/

A heated Democratic congressional primary race in suburban Chicago has reached a new low, as accusations of Holocaust denial are falsely hurled at progressive challenger Marie Newman.

Newman, who is seeking to unseat the incumbent Dan Lipinski as the Democratic candidate for Illinois’ 3rd congressional district, has staked a liberal position, hoping it would convince Democrats to chose her way over that of Lipinski, a “blue dog” Democrat known for his more conservative views.

In recent days, Newman claimed, voters have been receiving text messages from activists with the Washington-based No Labels group, trying to convince voters not to support her. In one instance, a voter receiving the text message informed the sender that he has already decided to vote for Newman, not Lipinski. “His opponent is a Holocaust denier among other things,” the Lipinski supporter texted back. In a second exchange, the voter was told again about Newman: “Did you know she’s a Holocaust denier.”

Newman accused Lipinski of “playing politics with a tragedy in human history that cost the lives of millions—and which deeply affects those of Jewish heritage, including my husband and his family.” Lipinski is considered one of the few endangered Democratic incumbents in the nation due to the tight primary. The winner should easily beat a Republican challenger in the district that voted for Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump by a healthy 16% margin.

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Group Tied To Lipinski Says Marie Newman Is 'A Holocaust Denier'

IL-3 Democratic challenger Marie Newman claims group tied to Congressman Dan Lipinski is texting voters saying she's a 'Holocaust denier.'

https://patch.com/illinois/oaklawn/group-tied-lipinski-claims-she-s-holocaust-denier


LA GRANGE, IL -- Challenger Marie Newman is calling out Congressman Dan Lipinski for running a "dishonest machine-style campaign" after some of her supporters complained of receiving text messages stating that Newman is a "Holocaust denier." Newman and Lipinski are said to be in a statistical dead heat in the contentious Democratic primary in Illinois's 3rd Congressional District. Supporters said they began receiving the text messages this past weekend.

A woman who identifies herself as "Leslie Benjamini" from the Washington, D.C.-based No Labels group -- a political centrist organization comprised of Republicans, Democrats and Independents who aim to combat partisan dysfunction in politics by focusing on bipartisan problem solving -- texted a voter asking him if he planned to vote for Dan Lipinski in the March 20 Democratic primary. When the the receiver stated he is voting for Newman, Benjamini states that Lipinski's opponent is a Holocaust denier. Benjamini tells the receiver to look up "No Labels, a new group that is trying to get government working again." The message goes on to state that Lipinski is a "believer in this group."

"His opponent is a Holocaust denier among other things," the text goes on to say. "Please educate yourself before you vote. All I ask."

Lipinski does have an opponent who is a Holocaust denier who is running as the lone candidate in the Republican primary in Illinois' 3rd District, avowed neo-Nazi Art Jones of Lyons. In the second message sent to the Newman supporter, Benjamini mistakes the receiver's phone number for his mother's.

"For the second time I am NOT [NAME] … she is my mother and she hosted a fundraiser for Marie Newman. And for the record, I voted for her early Saturday [March 10]." "Thanks for voting," Benjamini texts back. "Did you know she's a Holocaust denier."

The No Labels group based in Washington, D.C., was founded in 2010. The group strives to "create a vibrant New Center that supports leaders who put country before party." No Labels inspired the Problem Solvers Caucus, a bipartisan group of congressional members that includes Lipinski. A Chicago Sun-Times investigation has also tied No Labels to such Super PACS as United for Progress Inc. As of late, United for Progress Inc. has been sent out a flurry of political hit pieces attacking Newman's progressive agenda, as well as TV and radio commercials

An angry Newman demanded an apology from Lipinski, accusing the congressman of running "dishonest machine campaign."


snip





‘No Labels’ Needs A Warning Label

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/opinion-no-labels-mark-pocan_n_5c06b110e4b0cd916fb0b042

I was duped.

When I was elected to Congress in 2012, I attended the Bipartisan Program for Newly Elected Members of Congress at Harvard University. I was so excited to be a member of a branch of government for the most awesome country on the planet. At the program, one of the presentations was from a group named No Labels. The organization put forward a proposal for governing that meant working across the aisle to solve problems and stopping the gridlock in Washington. I was excited! While I was a strong progressive in the Wisconsin Legislature, that was my governing approach. By working with people who do not always agree with you, you find out what you have in common and you can get good things done.

snip

However, things quickly went south. I attended a few meetings at the outset, but the rhetoric wasn’t about finding ways to get things done and breaking gridlock ― rather it was more about finding more centrist, more corporate and more special interest-focused things to do. Soon thereafter, No Labels became involved in elections with a closely contested U.S. Senate race in Colorado, backing Republican Cory Gardner over Democrat Mark Udall. That didn’t seem right. A group that wasn’t supposed to pick labels was doing exactly that: picking a label. When asked to join the Problem Solvers Caucus, members were never told that this would be part of the program.

snip

I drifted away from the organization, as apparently did most people who thought it was focused on trying to break through the gridlock in Washington. No Labels’ membership has dwindled steadily since 2015. Fast-forward to the past few weeks, when No Labels’ Problem Solvers Caucus tried to threaten Nancy Pelosi’s speakership. While No Labels was originally advertised as a group committed to getting things done and breaking gridlock, it now seems more focused on stopping Pelosi and providing a fast track for special interests and lobbyists.

Worse, this past week I’ve read a few articles regarding what No Labels has been up to in the last couple of years. First, the organization spent almost twice as much helping re-elect Republicans as it spent helping Democrats. Second, reporters reviewed email correspondence that showed No Labels contemplating a plan to attack Pelosi and use her leadership as a wedge to divide congressional Democrats. And third, it’s clear that No Labels never had any meaningful ultimatums or demands on rules for leadership during eight years of a Republican-led House, or over the last four years of a Republican-led Senate. No Labels only has challenges for Democratic leadership in the House, specifically, for our next speaker, Nancy Pelosi.

That sure seems like a label to me. Look, I get it. No Labels is slick, and I got duped. But no other current or newly elected member of Congress should fall for its shtick. No Labels is a centrist, corporate organization working against Democrats with dark, anonymous money to advance power for special interests. Period.

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Caliman73

(11,730 posts)
30. I don't care about her looks or fashion.
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 07:25 PM
Aug 2021

I understand that it is likely a symbol of her "individualism". I don't care. I care that she is inconsistent with her stances, and that she appears to hold or at least act like she is more in line with Republican positions then Democratic positions regarding how public policy and government should interact with the average person.

She voted for the extension of the Trump tax cuts which added over 2 trillion to the Debt, and which were at least 85% geared to the top income earners and asset holders. I don't know what is in her head, but her actions suggest that she does not care about people (individuals) making below say 250,000 to 300,000 dollars a year even though she says she is for "small business". We all know that "small business" tends to be code for rich people who have formed S-Corps or LLC's to separate themselves from large businesses they own for tax purposes. The guys who pay themselves $1 dollar a year, even though they earn several million at least, from their investments.

I know that Arizona is a more conservative state, but we need a real moderate or progressive Democrat to challenge her for the seat. As people with her style of dress might say, "This ain't it chief".

tenderfoot

(8,426 posts)
50. You obviously did not read anything he said
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 07:59 PM
Aug 2021

The Equality Act can now become law. An LGBTQ senator is blocking it.
There's a short window in which to pass the broad LGBTQ civil rights bill. It means ending the filibuster, to which Sen. Kyrsten Sinema is adamantly opposed.

https://signorile.substack.com/p/the-equality-act-can-now-become-law

lapucelle

(18,249 posts)
54. I absolutely read what he wrote. It's a reprehensible misrepresentation to say she is "blocking it".
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 08:07 PM
Aug 2021

lapucelle

(18,249 posts)
58. In what way is *she* blocking a bill that has never been introduced on the floor?
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 08:20 PM
Aug 2021

Why is "sexuality" in quotation marks?

Sympthsical

(9,072 posts)
66. Uh, Signorile isn't an "ally"
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 09:37 PM
Aug 2021

He's one of the biggest LGBT journalists of all time. He's been at the forefront of the LGBT movement for decades.

When he talks, a lot of people in the community listen.

If he says she's suspect, I'm going to make a note of it.

Sympthsical

(9,072 posts)
96. "Ally" means someone who is not a member of the community. I was correcting you.
Tue Aug 24, 2021, 11:25 AM
Aug 2021

Signorile is very much a member of the community. He is, in fact, at the very center of it and has been for a very long time.

Ocelot II

(115,673 posts)
93. If she thinks *that* getup is sexy she's seriously confused - but I doubt that's it.
Tue Aug 24, 2021, 10:43 AM
Aug 2021

More likely she wears garish, eccentric clothes because she wants to be seen as a nonconformist who doesn't travel with the sheep.

senseandsensibility

(17,000 posts)
42. I don't like her fashion "sense", but that is not why she is not
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 07:44 PM
Aug 2021

a serious legislator. As far as her clothes, they scream "look at me" and nothing else. If she's trying to be shocking, she doesn't shock me. Her style is garish, but also unoriginal. Everything is vintage. A lot of it could have been worn in the fifties. Many like the outfit pictured is obviously right out of the sixties. Sometimes she does eighties or nineties throwbacks. Unoriginal attention seeking is more boring than anything else. What makes her not serious is her positions on issues.

Takket

(21,558 posts)
51. you win some and you lose some...
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 07:59 PM
Aug 2021

she really pulled the wool over all of our eyes, running with the D but governing with the R. Hopefully she gets primaried.

MyOwnPeace

(16,925 posts)
60. THAT is the bottom line......
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 08:29 PM
Aug 2021

Don't care about her hair, her dresses, her shoes - just her votes.
Same with Gym Jordan.
Same with Lindsey Graham.
JUST THEIR VOTES!!!!!

Hekate

(90,643 posts)
79. Look around the room and you'll spot the serious legislators of both parties. Take notes...
Tue Aug 24, 2021, 03:56 AM
Aug 2021

How you dress actually says something about you and about your attitude toward the occasion, whatever that may be. Mostly they dress as if for an executive job.

Would you wear sweaty gym clothes to a wedding? Gee, why not? After all, Ted Cruz recently showed up in his to take a Senate vote.

Adolescents want to go on about being genuine and expressing themselves, yadda yadda, but eventually most of them grow out of it when they get a job. Kirsten is more than a little too old for this nonsense, especially that big flashy ring she wore on a trip home this year, the one that said “FUCK YOU” in big letters. That registered with me on the same scale as the khaki jacket that said “I Don’t Really Care, Do U?” on the back.

BradAllison

(1,879 posts)
65. She is crafty, and not genuine
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 09:25 PM
Aug 2021

She ran one way to win a blue district, and now runs either to 1)win what she thinks is a purple state, or 2)satisfy future employers.

Polybius

(15,381 posts)
69. WTF is she wearing?
Tue Aug 24, 2021, 02:04 AM
Aug 2021

She thinks she's 16. Nothing worse than a person (man or woman) in their 40's that dresses like a teenager.

Lars39

(26,109 posts)
87. She's doing what some Republicans do...
Tue Aug 24, 2021, 09:05 AM
Aug 2021

distract with visuals when you don’t have anything of substance to contribute. A prime example was Huckabee Sanders. The more she had to distract or divert, the weirder her outfits, jewelry,and makeup got.
Megan McCain did it also.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
88. She hasn't given any reason
Tue Aug 24, 2021, 09:11 AM
Aug 2021

other than a hint that the amount is unacceptable? Does she want it higher or lower?

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