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demmiblue

(36,824 posts)
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 06:40 PM Aug 2021

Opinion: Time to say it: We're done with the vaccine refusers

On Monday, the Food and Drug Administration granted full approval to the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine for the coronavirus, and approvals for the Moderna and Johnson & Johnson vaccines could follow soon. This could be a significant step in convincing the millions of unvaccinated Americans to finally get vaccinated, even if it doesn’t quickly transform the state of the pandemic.

It’s also an opportunity for us to say to the hard-core vaccine refusers: We’re done with you.

We’ll treat you when you come to the hospital, of course, because that’s how medicine works; while doctors and nurses dealing with the wave of covid-19 patients caused by the delta variant might like to turn away anyone who refused to take a vaccine, they won’t. But it’s time to refocus our outreach efforts and our public and private pandemic policies so that accommodating, understanding and pandering to the refusers is no longer one of our chief concerns....

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But just as the virus itself will always be with us, so will the adamant refusers. They’ll be trying out insane new treatments, while the rest of us shake our heads at people who’d rather gargle with turpentine (or whatever the next Facebook remedy is) than get a free lifesaving vaccine. They’ll keep engaging in unhinged and violent public behavior (like assaulting teachers over mask policies), for which they should just be arrested. Our only concern should be keeping ourselves safe from them; they deserve no more consideration than that.

They won’t disappear, but we can treat them like social pariahs. And if they don’t like it? They can go ahead and wallow in their fantasies of oppression and courageous independence. Nobody said “freedom” was free.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/08/23/time-say-it-were-done-with-vaccine-refusers/


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Opinion: Time to say it: We're done with the vaccine refusers (Original Post) demmiblue Aug 2021 OP
Vax Refusniks bucolic_frolic Aug 2021 #1
gmta -- I've also been thinking of them as Refusniks Hekate Aug 2021 #4
My polite word for them, as well. niyad Aug 2021 #6
Rec. Treefrog Aug 2021 #2
SCOTUS ruling Jackson vs Massachusetts 1905. The rights of the individual doesn't not out weigh PortTack Aug 2021 #3
K&R ffr Aug 2021 #8
You wanna put stare decisis in front of this SC? Volaris Aug 2021 #14
Put the unvaxxed in separate facilities wnylib Aug 2021 #15
And be treated Danascot Aug 2021 #16
No, I am not expressing frustrated hyperbole. wnylib Aug 2021 #18
I have no patience and no sympathy for these idiots mcar Aug 2021 #5
I have no patience and no sympathy for these Covidiots ... aggiesal Aug 2021 #10
"Our only concern should be keeping ourselves safe from them" ffr Aug 2021 #7
damn tired of this thoughts & prayers crap , won't work ! not anti-religion either ! monkeyman1 Aug 2021 #9
As far as I'm concerned, anti-vaxxers, anti-maskers & COVID deniers are MASS MURDERERS amb123 Aug 2021 #11
It's time. Marcuse Aug 2021 #12
My cardiologist said if I didn't take the medication he prescribed ..... rickford66 Aug 2021 #13
They definitely can be segregated into palliative care quarantine facilities. roamer65 Aug 2021 #17
Great idea wryter2000 Aug 2021 #22
Amen. They're in the way of our survival. (nt) Paladin Aug 2021 #19
Those bdamomma Aug 2021 #20
Q should open a line of hospitals Tiger8 Aug 2021 #21

Hekate

(90,562 posts)
4. gmta -- I've also been thinking of them as Refusniks
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 07:13 PM
Aug 2021

And I am so ready for this opinion piece.

My husband and I are about to crawl back in a hole, and because why? Because so many people expect us to conform to their foolishness and they’re living in La-La Land where they think they won’t get hurt and after all we are clearly neurotic.



PortTack

(32,710 posts)
3. SCOTUS ruling Jackson vs Massachusetts 1905. The rights of the individual doesn't not out weigh
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 07:04 PM
Aug 2021

The rights of many when it comes to public health.

I am soooo sick of them!

Volaris

(10,266 posts)
14. You wanna put stare decisis in front of this SC?
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 09:00 PM
Aug 2021

I mean, my money's on 'Roberts doesnt have dementia YET', but since that equates to diminishing returns over time, how many of those die rolls have we got left?

wnylib

(21,346 posts)
15. Put the unvaxxed in separate facilities
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 09:11 PM
Aug 2021

e.g. tent hospitals, where they can get care without disrupting the regular hospital facilities for the rest of the population.

Danascot

(4,690 posts)
16. And be treated
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 09:19 PM
Aug 2021

by people who get their medical training and scientific information from Fox and Facebook

wnylib

(21,346 posts)
18. No, I am not expressing frustrated hyperbole.
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 09:31 PM
Aug 2021

I am totally serious that this is what we need to do. So give them care by qualified medical people. Just don't let them disrupt the regular functioning of hospitals that the rest of society needs.

You might call it "separate but equal."

mcar

(42,278 posts)
5. I have no patience and no sympathy for these idiots
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 07:32 PM
Aug 2021

I have tremendous sympathy for the HC professionals who have to care for them.

ffr

(22,665 posts)
7. "Our only concern should be keeping ourselves safe from them"
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 08:15 PM
Aug 2021

It's been that way from the beginning. Reduce your exposure to Kool-aid drinkers. Their brains are broken. Probably due to lead exposure. They want and need to live in their own bubble. Let them. Otherwise, avoid them as much as possible.

amb123

(1,581 posts)
11. As far as I'm concerned, anti-vaxxers, anti-maskers & COVID deniers are MASS MURDERERS
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 08:52 PM
Aug 2021

to be mentioned in the same breath as Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin or Pol Pot.

Marcuse

(7,446 posts)
12. It's time.
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 08:53 PM
Aug 2021

42 CFR § 70.6 - Apprehension and detention of persons with quarantinable communicable diseases.

a) The Director may authorize the apprehension, medical examination, quarantine, isolation, or conditional release of any individual for the purpose of preventing the introduction, transmission, and spread of quarantinable communicable diseases, as specified by Executive Order, based upon a finding that:

(1) The individual is reasonably believed to be infected with a quarantinable communicable disease in a qualifying stage and is moving or about to move from a State into another State; or

(2) The individual is reasonably believed to be infected with a quarantinable communicable disease in a qualifying stage and constitutes a probable source of infection to other individuals who may be moving from a State into another State.

(b) The Director will arrange for adequate food and water, appropriate accommodation, appropriate medical treatment, and means of necessary communication for individuals who are apprehended or held in quarantine or isolation under this part.

[82 FR 6971, Jan. 19, 2017]

rickford66

(5,521 posts)
13. My cardiologist said if I didn't take the medication he prescribed .....
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 08:58 PM
Aug 2021

I'd be declared non-compliant if I went to the ER with heart pains and could be denied treatment. I asked my personal physician about this and she agreed. So ..... why can't the anti-vaxers be declared non-compliant also ?

roamer65

(36,744 posts)
17. They definitely can be segregated into palliative care quarantine facilities.
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 09:25 PM
Aug 2021

This should have been started already en masse.

bdamomma

(63,801 posts)
20. Those
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 09:43 PM
Aug 2021

who refuse to get the vaccine life should be harder for them. No admitting into businesses, they are taking beds away from other medical needs such as cancer treatments or elective surgery. They are making those who believe in science a living hell. If they don't want the vaccine they should tested every week.

Their heads would probably blow up if they believed in truth and facts. Propaganda is deadly and it works.

 

Tiger8

(432 posts)
21. Q should open a line of hospitals
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 09:48 PM
Aug 2021

Let them go to a Q hospital.

Staff includes "Doctor" Sean Hannity and "Nurse" Alex Jones....with "CNA" Gym Jordan offering special sponge bath fun to favored MAGAt children.

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