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Did I hear correctly? Did Andrea Mitchell just ask Blinken "But, what about the MILLIONS of Afghan (Original Post) Atticus Aug 2021 OP
Yes and it followed questions about chowder66 Aug 2021 #1
she's been peddling that bile for a couple days now... 2naSalit Aug 2021 #6
The VP opened the door to this a couple of days ago FBaggins Aug 2021 #14
I agree... 2naSalit Aug 2021 #15
I had to turn off Brian Williams last night when Andrea Mitchell started this speil crimycarny Aug 2021 #21
She's a warmonger... 2naSalit Aug 2021 #56
Does Andrea not care about the women of Yemen, Qatar, Somalia, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Niger, Sudan? JaneQPublic Aug 2021 #12
Mrs. Greenspan doesn't even care about women in her own country. GoCubsGo Aug 2021 #45
Yep. (nt) JaneQPublic Aug 2021 #52
if that's true, what the EFF does Andrea Mitchell want him to say or do about it? secondwind Aug 2021 #2
The goalposts are moving at lightening speed. chowder66 Aug 2021 #7
God, she's a thorn Shellback Squid Aug 2021 #3
Cant help you not watching but if I remember pwb Aug 2021 #4
Absolutely this! eom BlueMTexpat Aug 2021 #11
I would not be surprised wryter2000 Aug 2021 #5
If the world community, including the G-7, are upset that we're not bringing panader0 Aug 2021 #32
Andrea Emails, always asking the wrong questions. sarcasmo Aug 2021 #8
So Republicans want to extend the deadline and evacuate 39 million Afghans to the U.S.? dalton99a Aug 2021 #9
What Does She Expect? DET Aug 2021 #10
Kind of hard to criticize someone for serious questions. Guess she should have asked "Mr. Sec do we Hoyt Aug 2021 #13
So we stay in Afghanistan forever? crimycarny Aug 2021 #16
Didn't say that. But I think it's a legitimate question. Hoyt Aug 2021 #19
No it's not crimycarny Aug 2021 #23
Well, it's a speech that needs to be made, even if inconvenient for some. Hoyt Aug 2021 #25
Inconvenient? crimycarny Aug 2021 #26
If trump were still Prez, gawd forbid, would hope the question would be asked. Hoyt Aug 2021 #31
Doesn't matter who the President was crimycarny Aug 2021 #33
The people left behind, especially women in this case, are a concern Hoyt Aug 2021 #35
Yes, they are crimycarny Aug 2021 #44
Fortunately, Hilary Clinton is also concerned. Maybe it's a women thing. Hoyt Aug 2021 #46
She didn't ask that question, though. LanternWaste Aug 2021 #54
The question needs answering, even if the government says we don't care, Hoyt Aug 2021 #55
I think it's no more a legitimate question than "do you still beat your wife?" LanternWaste Aug 2021 #51
I guess she and Hilary Clinton just have a concern for Afghan women. Hoyt Aug 2021 #53
Actually it's because of people like her that our country got stuck there for 20yrs. rockfordfile Aug 2021 #17
The question is still legitimate. Hoyt Aug 2021 #20
+1 leftstreet Aug 2021 #30
A more serious question would be along the lines of ... Hugh_Lebowski Aug 2021 #37
At least Hilary Clinton is taking it seriously. Hoyt Aug 2021 #40
So you think her plan is to get millions of women out of Afghanistan Hugh_Lebowski Aug 2021 #43
At least she's trying and cares about Muslim women. Guess it's a woman thing. Hoyt Aug 2021 #47
That's sort of comment isn't helpful crimycarny Aug 2021 #49
I give up crimycarny Aug 2021 #48
There is little we can do. We would have send thousands of troops. I am not willing to do that. Demsrule86 Aug 2021 #39
Glad Hilary Clinton doesn't feel like that. Hoyt Aug 2021 #41
And how does she know there are millions of them? grumpyduck Aug 2021 #18
I loathe Andrea Mitchell. Paladin Aug 2021 #22
Don't watch? Treefrog Aug 2021 #24
If the Taliban revert to their murderous ways and strand or begin executing people at Kabul Airport. argyl Aug 2021 #27
The husbands, fathers & brothers of the millions of women & girls onetexan Aug 2021 #28
To be fair, in pictures coming out of Afghanistan these days, Sogo Aug 2021 #36
NOW they have all of them. Before the Afghan army scarpered like a band of Sir Robin's Hugh_Lebowski Aug 2021 #38
If that were the case, ecstatic Aug 2021 #29
Exactly. Sogo Aug 2021 #34
Thank goodness for Hilary Clinton, she's concerned too. Hoyt Aug 2021 #42
I hope someone asked Andrea when did Joe Biden promise to evacuate everyone GoodRaisin Aug 2021 #50

chowder66

(9,055 posts)
1. Yes and it followed questions about
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 03:23 PM
Aug 2021

lawyers, doctors, etc that allegedly feel abandoned. She made it sound like we should be evacuating an entire nation.

Blinken assured her they take all of this very seriously and they are doing everything to contact everyone. They seem to not be able to get in touch with some.
Those people could be out of the country.

2naSalit

(86,323 posts)
6. she's been peddling that bile for a couple days now...
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 03:25 PM
Aug 2021

On every show she can muscle her way onto. She really is vile.

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
14. The VP opened the door to this a couple of days ago
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 03:40 PM
Aug 2021

"There’s no question there will be and should be a robust analysis of what has happened, but right now there’s no question that our focus has to be on evacuating American citizens, Afghans who worked with us and vulnerable Afghans, including women and children,”

There was never any way that we could evacuate every vulnerable Afghan.

crimycarny

(1,351 posts)
21. I had to turn off Brian Williams last night when Andrea Mitchell started this speil
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 03:53 PM
Aug 2021

I can't stand that woman anyway, the way she talks is like nails on the chalkboard let alone what come out of her mouth. When she started talking about "millions" last night I turned the TV off. What are we supposed to do? That's a legit question....does she mean we stay there forever?

Trump had made a deal with the Taliban that put is in a situation where Biden had two choices: 1) work with the Afghan President to meet a withdrawal deadline or 2) surge in thousands more US troops and extend the deadline for withdrawal to who know how long. #1 was never going to be without pain for the Afghans, #2 would most certainly have caused an increase in violence from the Taliban and we'd be back at square one.

What in the h*ll does Andrea Mitchell expect Joe Biden to do? Keep US troops there for another 20, 30 years??????

2naSalit

(86,323 posts)
56. She's a warmonger...
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 07:20 PM
Aug 2021

And I highly suspect that she and her spouse are heavily invested in the war machine (MIC). Now that Biden has killed the cash cow of the war profiteers, they are going to scream bloody murder all the live-long day.

JaneQPublic

(7,113 posts)
12. Does Andrea not care about the women of Yemen, Qatar, Somalia, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Niger, Sudan?
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 03:37 PM
Aug 2021

Clearly, she would say the US should either send 20,000 troops to each of these countries to nation-build or evacuate all their women and girls. Anything less would be a dreadful failure for the Biden Administration.

GoCubsGo

(32,074 posts)
45. Mrs. Greenspan doesn't even care about women in her own country.
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 05:13 PM
Aug 2021

Has she ever railed against all the anti-choice legislation that has been, and is being passed over the past decade, the way she's screeching here? Or, said anything about the stifiling of equal pay legislation. Nope. Nary a peep from her. If they ain't rich, white women, she doesn't give a shit.

secondwind

(16,903 posts)
2. if that's true, what the EFF does Andrea Mitchell want him to say or do about it?
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 03:23 PM
Aug 2021

Honestly, I'm getting sick and tired of "gotcha" questions!!!!!!!!!!

wryter2000

(46,023 posts)
5. I would not be surprised
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 03:25 PM
Aug 2021

I had to turn Chuck Todd off because, according to his telling, not only are Americans and Afghans furious with Biden because of all the people Biden is leaving behind, but the whole world community is.

One might want to ask Andrea how those women and girls were doing before we invaded.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
32. If the world community, including the G-7, are upset that we're not bringing
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 04:41 PM
Aug 2021

as many people as they wish, then perhaps they should send their army forces in to do the job.
Pretty simple. Put up or shut up.

DET

(1,299 posts)
10. What Does She Expect?
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 03:35 PM
Aug 2021

Couldn’t believe she asked that. I feel terrible for the Afghan women, but we can’t be responsible indefinitely for the hopes and dreams of an entire country.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
13. Kind of hard to criticize someone for serious questions. Guess she should have asked "Mr. Sec do we
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 03:38 PM
Aug 2021

really need to give a damn about these women?"

crimycarny

(1,351 posts)
16. So we stay in Afghanistan forever?
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 03:49 PM
Aug 2021

That's the only alternative, to stay in Afghanistan forever. Rightly or wrongly, American's don't have the stomach for that. Joe Biden is the President of the United States, not the President of Afghanistan.

It was ridiculous in the first place to think we could change a nation that has suppressed women for years and somehow turn it into a beacon of freedom for women in 20 years, let alone 100. We would have to stay there for another 20, 30, 40 years and I know I don't want my kids, grandkids, great-grandkids, great great grandkids, etc. going over there and dying for an unwinnable war.

crimycarny

(1,351 posts)
23. No it's not
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 03:58 PM
Aug 2021

Because she isn't asking a legit question, she basically made a speech full of assumptions. It was a "what about world peace" type question.

crimycarny

(1,351 posts)
26. Inconvenient?
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 04:22 PM
Aug 2021

A bit of a spin there, don't ya think? I prefer practical questions that have real answers, not rhetorical questions meant to push an opinion. At least in the midst of trying to work on a problem. Leave the speeches and pontification for later.

crimycarny

(1,351 posts)
33. Doesn't matter who the President was
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 04:56 PM
Aug 2021

Rhetorical questions in the middle of working on a problem aren't helpful. And, honestly, I'd feel the same way even if Trump were President. Valid questions to me are:

1) What about the threat to the Kabul airport from ISIS-K?
2) What can Americans at home do to help?
3) What is the Administration doing to speed up the vetting process and how long do they expect that to take?
4) Where are the refugees being held while they are being vetted?
5) What is the US doing to help those still trying to get to the Afghan airport work through the Taliban checkpoints?
6) How is the US tracking those Americans still in Afghanistan who may not have registered with the US embassy. How can they contact the US to reach safe passage?

Those are real questions regarding realistic situations that the US can actually do something about and is (I'm assuming) actively working on. The whole "What about the millions who were used to the type of life 20 years of US/Allied occupation gave them going to do now?". That is a question of morality, not logistics.

I prefer to do what I can to help by donating https://www.rescue.org/

crimycarny

(1,351 posts)
44. Yes, they are
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 05:12 PM
Aug 2021

But was that our mission in going over there? Was our mission supposed to include a contingency plan to evacuate millions of Afghans out of Afghanistan if need be? I never heard that was our mission. I never heard that those millions of Afghans would want to leave Afghanistan in the first place.

What I suspect those millions DO want is not to fall victim to the Taliban. So...what's the answer? Since our mission was never supposed to include evacuating millions of citizens out of Afghanistan, the only alternative left to Joe Biden is for a surge of US troops to descend upon Afghanistan and occupy it again. And that's a completely new mission, a completely new war.

So, again, how is that question supposed to be answered?


 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
54. She didn't ask that question, though.
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 05:55 PM
Aug 2021

It seems disingenuous (at best) to conflate the question asked by the media with Sec. Clinton's personal position.

That said, Biden is also concern. But unlike you and me, he if forced to weigh multiple concerns against each other rather than pretending each exists in a vacuum.

"Maybe it's a critical thinking thing"

And if you're not in fact pretending each concern exists independently of each other, it seems irresponsible to avoid the measure and consequence of those additional concerns in regards to your narrative of nation building.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
55. The question needs answering, even if the government says we don't care,
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 06:01 PM
Aug 2021

and don’t believe Americans care either.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
51. I think it's no more a legitimate question than "do you still beat your wife?"
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 05:50 PM
Aug 2021

It's a bullshit question lacking necessary and relevant detail and context.

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
37. A more serious question would be along the lines of ...
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 05:04 PM
Aug 2021

"After we evacuate and leave the country, what is the plan to protect vulnerable women in Afghanistan from the depredations of the Taliban?"

Asking it in the context (as it apparently was) of 'who is left to be evacuated' gives the impression the Admin is doing something wrong by not evacuating millions of women.

If the former was the phrasing, nobody here would be up in arms about it.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
40. At least Hilary Clinton is taking it seriously.
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 05:08 PM
Aug 2021
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/hillary-clinton-afghanistan-flights-women-b1908161.html

“Hillary Clinton has been arranging charter flights out of Afghanistan for at-risk women, reports say”

“ Former secretary of state Hillary Clinton, who previously warned of the “huge consequences” of withdrawing US troops from Afghanistan, has now reportedly attempted to charter flights out of the country for the country’s at-risk women.”
 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
43. So you think her plan is to get millions of women out of Afghanistan
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 05:12 PM
Aug 2021

with her personally arranged charter flights?

Where are they all going?

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
47. At least she's trying and cares about Muslim women. Guess it's a woman thing.
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 05:16 PM
Aug 2021

All we cared about when we went in before was killing Muslim in retaliation for 9/11, or just because we could.

crimycarny

(1,351 posts)
49. That's sort of comment isn't helpful
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 05:33 PM
Aug 2021

Yes, Hillary is trying and that's a wonderful thing. But Hillary trying to do what's in her power to help and the US trying to suddenly evacuate millions out of Afghanistan, are two different things. Also, just because it's not possible to evacuate those millions doesn't mean people don't care.

crimycarny

(1,351 posts)
48. I give up
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 05:30 PM
Aug 2021

The conflation of what's practical with what we wish would happen is driving me crazy. Good for Hillary that she is stepping up to try and get women out. But she's not trying to evacuate MILLIONS, just as you state. We can all be concerned with the fate of those left behind while acknowledging it's logistically impossible to evacuate millions nor was the evacuation of millions ever part of the mission in the first place. So asking why the military isn't evacuating millions is not a fair question.

It's also a bit arrogant and presumptuous to assume those millions want to leave in the first place. I'm sure the vast majority want to stay and be able to live free in their own country.

So if the question was stated differently, just as you said in an earlier comment, that would be more legit. And the answer wouldn't be pretty, because the answer would most likely be "We can't ensure their safety. Not unless we bring troops back in."

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
41. Glad Hilary Clinton doesn't feel like that.
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 05:09 PM
Aug 2021
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/hillary-clinton-afghanistan-flights-women-b1908161.html

“Hillary Clinton has been arranging charter flights out of Afghanistan for at-risk women, reports say”

“ Former secretary of state Hillary Clinton, who previously warned of the “huge consequences” of withdrawing US troops from Afghanistan, has now reportedly attempted to charter flights out of the country for the country’s at-risk women.”

grumpyduck

(6,222 posts)
18. And how does she know there are millions of them?
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 03:51 PM
Aug 2021

Did she do a survey? Does she have any proof?

This is what pisses the hell out of me. These people make statements like this, without backing them up, and people believe them.

Hey, I can go out there and say, hey, everybody knows Outer Mongolia is preparing their Navy to invade Afghanistan to take over the kumquat farmers, and I'll bet a lot of people would believe me.

argyl

(3,064 posts)
27. If the Taliban revert to their murderous ways and strand or begin executing people at Kabul Airport.
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 04:22 PM
Aug 2021

Send in our best killing units we have.Men of those calibre could leave a few hundred Taliban with their heads blown off at little harm to them.

No nation building, just a final attempt to get as many of our citizens out as we can.

And if it doesn't work it's bye, bye Afghanistan with hundreds of their thugs slaughtered in the streets as well. They deserve it. And then they're Russia, China, and Iran's problem.

onetexan

(13,020 posts)
28. The husbands, fathers & brothers of the millions of women & girls
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 04:29 PM
Aug 2021

Will need to stand up & protect their women. The US & the world cannot be expected to take care of them all.
If the afghan soldiers stood their ground & fought the taliban would it even be am issue at all?

Course we know that didnt happen. They surrendered like cowards.

Sogo

(4,986 posts)
36. To be fair, in pictures coming out of Afghanistan these days,
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 05:02 PM
Aug 2021

it's the Taliban who all have the guns. Pretty hard to stand up to those ARs.

Having said that, we do NOT have the responsibility of protecting all their hopes and dreams and women (unlike what Andrea Mitchell seems to believe).

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
38. NOW they have all of them. Before the Afghan army scarpered like a band of Sir Robin's
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 05:06 PM
Aug 2021

They were very well armed.

ecstatic

(32,652 posts)
29. If that were the case,
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 04:31 PM
Aug 2021

why would their government fold so quickly and without a fight? Unless she's saying that the millions of Afghan women were completely separate and isolated from the country's leaders and military personnel?

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
42. Thank goodness for Hilary Clinton, she's concerned too.
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 05:10 PM
Aug 2021
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/hillary-clinton-afghanistan-flights-women-b1908161.html

“Hillary Clinton has been arranging charter flights out of Afghanistan for at-risk women, reports say”

“ Former secretary of state Hillary Clinton, who previously warned of the “huge consequences” of withdrawing US troops from Afghanistan, has now reportedly attempted to charter flights out of the country for the country’s at-risk women.”

GoodRaisin

(8,908 posts)
50. I hope someone asked Andrea when did Joe Biden promise to evacuate everyone
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 05:48 PM
Aug 2021

in Afghanistan except the Taliban?

A lot of other stupid people also need to answer that same question. Especially all the ones who said they wanted us to get out of Afghanistan and are now crying that "Joe Biden is leaving people there". This is just turning into another example of the overwhelming amount of stupidity that exists in this country.

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