Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Atticus

(15,124 posts)
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 04:06 PM Aug 2021

Unlike many now commenting on the cowardly Kabul attack, I only KNOW one thing:

our very decent, honest and experienced POTUS will speak to us at 5:00 p.m. ET and I will trust him to do what is right.

He is the decision maker we overwhelmingly elected to do whatever was necessary and appropriate to deal with the mess Trump created in our nation and the world.

I stand with Joe.

48 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Unlike many now commenting on the cowardly Kabul attack, I only KNOW one thing: (Original Post) Atticus Aug 2021 OP
I stand with him, too nt XanaDUer2 Aug 2021 #1
On a personal level, politics aside, Biden is probably utterly devastated at this loss Hugh_Lebowski Aug 2021 #2
My 1st thoughts as well. Budi Aug 2021 #4
Without a doubt. n/t Moebym Aug 2021 #8
The general that gave a briefing today was asked if more troops chowder66 Aug 2021 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author left-of-center2012 Aug 2021 #5
It's beyond cowardly. Mr.Bill Aug 2021 #7
Rather than endure the trials and tribulations of living in Afghanistan, the bomber chose to flee Atticus Aug 2021 #10
One man's patriot is another man's terrorist dhol82 Aug 2021 #11
When you blow up Jilly_in_VA Aug 2021 #12
I always thought that if a person hates/dislikes/disagrees or whatever word you use Dan Aug 2021 #14
Religious Psychos Are Equally Bad DanieRains Aug 2021 #17
I will call them whatever I choose. fescuerescue Aug 2021 #15
I reject your framing. It is an act of pure evil. Politicub Aug 2021 #16
That it was an "act of pure evil" does not mean it was not also cowardly. Atticus Aug 2021 #35
Shades of Bill Maher after 9/11... Gidney N Cloyd Aug 2021 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author AngryOldDem Aug 2021 #27
They're cowardly. They run from the consequences. n/t sarge43 Aug 2021 #29
It's complicated. soldierant Aug 2021 #33
Planning for someone to be a suicide bomber in an attack is cowardly. NH Ethylene Aug 2021 #43
I'm behind Biden/Harris 100%. SergeStorms Aug 2021 #6
I hope, on their last swing out of Kabul, that they can find the Isis-K group and bomb the shit out Baitball Blogger Aug 2021 #9
I can only ask Jilly_in_VA Aug 2021 #13
Yes, it's important to remember how many lives were lost already Ponietz Aug 2021 #20
Standing by him too Ohioboy Aug 2021 #19
+1 K&R onetexan Aug 2021 #22
I stand with President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris. onecaliberal Aug 2021 #21
One tiny point of disagreement OrangeJoe Aug 2021 #23
Disagreement with what? ShazzieB Aug 2021 #32
You're right, we seem to have forgotten that Rhiannon12866 Aug 2021 #48
So what do you think we're observing right now? ecstatic Aug 2021 #24
He's genuinely grieving. AngryOldDem Aug 2021 #26
I thought it was a great speech. Powerful and moving. nt pnwmom Aug 2021 #28
He's got to feel like the loneliest man in the world right now. AngryOldDem Aug 2021 #25
He also is a man of faith. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Aug 2021 #38
+1 llmart Aug 2021 #39
"I stand with Joe." sarge43 Aug 2021 #30
AMEN !!!!!!!! soldierant Aug 2021 #31
Joe knows what to do and he will do it. Stuart G Aug 2021 #34
Atticus, you're making my eyes get all watery. ffr Aug 2021 #36
Me too, at full volume Mr. Ected Aug 2021 #37
I stand with President Biden also. llmart Aug 2021 #40
Cowardly and selfish. Families left to suffer over their suicide. LakeArenal Aug 2021 #41
"Virgins" GB_RN Aug 2021 #44
Yeah but going against the Quran seems to be their gig LakeArenal Aug 2021 #45
absolutely! BootinUp Aug 2021 #42
Most succinct comment I've read: Ponietz Aug 2021 #46
Joe got this right. lees1975 Aug 2021 #47
 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
2. On a personal level, politics aside, Biden is probably utterly devastated at this loss
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 04:10 PM
Aug 2021

We know the big point of him getting the US out of there was to stop the loss of life of American troops, and we know how he feels about our soldiers.

I have to think he's feeling pretty crushed that this has happened.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
4. My 1st thoughts as well.
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 04:20 PM
Aug 2021

Saluting & the flag draped caskets is what he wanted to avoid by ending Afg.
That will indeed break his heart.

God love ya, Joe Biden ~

chowder66

(9,045 posts)
3. The general that gave a briefing today was asked if more troops
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 04:11 PM
Aug 2021

will be sent. He said he felt he had enough but can make the call at anytime. This is just an fyi in case anyone missed that.

Response to Atticus (Original post)

Atticus

(15,124 posts)
10. Rather than endure the trials and tribulations of living in Afghanistan, the bomber chose to flee
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 04:59 PM
Aug 2021

to what he had been told would be "parsdise" where "70 virgins" waited to reward him.

Yeah, that's cowardly.

Jilly_in_VA

(9,931 posts)
12. When you blow up
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 05:04 PM
Aug 2021

women, children, innocent bystanders, and other noncombatants, it most certainly is. And most of them do.

Dan

(3,536 posts)
14. I always thought that if a person hates/dislikes/disagrees or whatever word you use
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 05:08 PM
Aug 2021

So much that he is willing to die, then there is nothing you can do…except stay the hell out of his/her way.

In this situation, there’s very little that could have been done.

Trump, really everything he touches dies….

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
15. I will call them whatever I choose.
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 05:11 PM
Aug 2021

If they wanted a say in how they are viewed. They should have stayed alive to defend themselves.

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
16. I reject your framing. It is an act of pure evil.
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 05:11 PM
Aug 2021

It’s not a matter of cowardice. It is an unthinkable affront to the social contract. The bomber is a murderer.

Atticus

(15,124 posts)
35. That it was an "act of pure evil" does not mean it was not also cowardly.
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 06:47 PM
Aug 2021

In my book, when someone ambushes a crowd of unarmed non-threatening men, women and children with high explosives and automatic weapons, that makes them a coward.

This was not an act of war on the battlefield. This was a lethal "sucker punch" to unarmed civilians and the military casualties were a "bonus" for the cowards who did not have the "convictions" to confront them.

Gidney N Cloyd

(19,811 posts)
18. Shades of Bill Maher after 9/11...
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 05:20 PM
Aug 2021

Then as now I agree that's just the wrong word. It might feel good to say it but I don't think it captures the real dynamics of what's going on.

Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #5)

soldierant

(6,776 posts)
33. It's complicated.
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 06:27 PM
Aug 2021

There's an old verse that I would like to quote accurately ... but Google is not being my friend today so I must use paren's to indicate paraphrase -

"You say you would die for your faith, and no doubt that is true,
But (can you say with equal fervor) that you live for it too?"

It goes on to describe what living for one's faith entails, making it clear that it is much more demanding in the long haul than dying. If anyone knows it, and knows where to find it, I'd be grateful for the information.

Dying requires one kind of courage. Living requires another, and other virtues as well. It's more strenuous. Is cowardice related to laziness?

NH Ethylene

(30,802 posts)
43. Planning for someone to be a suicide bomber in an attack is cowardly.
Fri Aug 27, 2021, 12:22 AM
Aug 2021

But I don't think the bombers themselves are cowardly. Bombers are probably coerced with praise, promises of heavenly rewards and possibly earthly rewards for family members, and pressured to prove themselves by being willing to die for their cause. It must be terrifying and they know they can't turn back.

SergeStorms

(19,108 posts)
6. I'm behind Biden/Harris 100%.
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 04:54 PM
Aug 2021

I can't imagine our country's reaction if the orange shithead were still in office.

Baitball Blogger

(46,655 posts)
9. I hope, on their last swing out of Kabul, that they can find the Isis-K group and bomb the shit out
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 04:57 PM
Aug 2021

of them.

OrangeJoe

(323 posts)
23. One tiny point of disagreement
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 05:34 PM
Aug 2021

I can't stand Trump, he is by far the worst president ever to hold office. However, Bush & Cheney created the Afganistan mess. Never forget that.

ShazzieB

(16,224 posts)
32. Disagreement with what?
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 06:20 PM
Aug 2021

The post, which I agree with, is about supporting Joe. Who said anything anything about TFG?

Rhiannon12866

(204,438 posts)
48. You're right, we seem to have forgotten that
Fri Aug 27, 2021, 06:36 PM
Aug 2021

Obviously, we should left long ago. But we should never have gone there to begin with. We had the failed Soviet debacle as an example.

ecstatic

(32,638 posts)
24. So what do you think we're observing right now?
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 05:34 PM
Aug 2021

Is Pres Biden trying to hold back tears/emotions or is the prompter too far away?

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
25. He's got to feel like the loneliest man in the world right now.
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 05:42 PM
Aug 2021

But he’s not…he has the support of many, many, many of us.

If ever there has been an example of how grave a responsibility it is to be President of the United States…this past week has been it. It’s not a “cool” job, it’s not being able to “do what you want”. The lives of millions rest on your decisions.

God be with you, Sir. You made the right decision, for the right reasons. I am proud to support you. Voting for you was one of the best things I’ve ever done.

38. He also is a man of faith.
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 07:03 PM
Aug 2021

Not the chest-thumping, "Look at me hold the Bible (upside down)! Real American Christians love me, despite cheating on my wife with a porn star, saying 'When you're famous they'll let you do anything...grab 'em by the pussy,' and never ever being seen spending a single day at church."

Biden has a deep long-lasting faith that has been tested through the deaths of his first wife and two sons. When he was in Ireland to attend the G7 (I probably have those details wrong) he and Jill attended services at a small Catholic church in the village, and he didn't make a big deal about it. His faith is part of who he is.

I am sure Biden has surrounded himself with the best men and women who will give him their best advice, and stand up to him when they think he's wrong. I think he's the kind of president who would expect that from his advisers.

Biden is going to make mistakes -- we all do. One of the many big differences between him and TFG is that he is willing to make the hard choices and stand by them. "The buck stops with me." What a breath of fresh air.

By the time August 31 rolls around, close to 100,000 Americans, allies and Afghans will have been evacuated and well on their way to being relocated with the help of thousands of American volunteers. That is not a trivial accomplishment, for both Biden and the military personnel who have done the hard and dangerous work on the ground and in the air. The Repugs and RW will attack him, but I have zero fux to give. I stand with Joe.

llmart

(15,524 posts)
39. +1
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 08:29 PM
Aug 2021

It's also not about going golfing every freakin' week. President Biden has been working his ass off from day 1. That's a Real President.

Stuart G

(38,403 posts)
34. Joe knows what to do and he will do it.
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 06:37 PM
Aug 2021

He will have the help of the finest people in the world. He ain't new. He has seen the best and the worst.

And experienced the same for himself. Joe will unite us all. And, as said it the Original Post........................
"I will trust him do do what is right."

ffr

(22,663 posts)
36. Atticus, you're making my eyes get all watery.
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 06:48 PM
Aug 2021

Damn straight! So proud and so at ease with whatever Joe does. We are so lucky!!

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
37. Me too, at full volume
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 06:53 PM
Aug 2021

We have been dragged through the sewage of Hell for four years so anything this man does is sanctified in every conceivable way.

llmart

(15,524 posts)
40. I stand with President Biden also.
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 08:31 PM
Aug 2021

After four awful years of nothing but tweeting and name calling and lying and immoral and unethical behavior, we now have someone we can trust 100% to do the right thing.

Ponietz

(2,928 posts)
46. Most succinct comment I've read:
Fri Aug 27, 2021, 02:10 PM
Aug 2021

NeuroPsychoPhD
@SethN12
After 4 years of trying to cover a monster as if he was a normal human,

The media is monstrously struggling to cover a normal human…
8:33 AM · Aug 27, 2021


?s=21

lees1975

(3,834 posts)
47. Joe got this right.
Fri Aug 27, 2021, 03:53 PM
Aug 2021

We need a president who thinks clearly and won't get us dragged into another conflict with a middle eastern insurgency which is exactly what they want and why they attacked.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Unlike many now commentin...