I've turned into a horrible person and I hate it.

[Lunabell]

I am gripped with schadenfreude every time I hear of a public anti-vaxxer, anti-masker, covide denier being hospitalized with the virus. I don't revel in it, but am overwhelmed with feelings of satisfaction that I am sane. I am doing everything I can to do what is right for my community.

It saddens me that that these people are selling their souls, but I am so glad when these evil people are gone.

I'm a horrible person.

[dchill]

1. Join the club.

[SheltieLover]

2. There is great satisfaction in instant karma / poetic justice!

[Dream Girl]

3. Me too.

I’m more horrible than before.I’m always pissed off too.

[PatSeg]

4. You are not alone

Though I am trying to fight the feelings, as I'm afraid it will turn me into the type of person I cannot stand. Every day, we become more and more divided and it is heartbreaking.

[Ocelot II]

5. Me, too. I've run out of fucks to give when I hear about someone

who croaks after refusing a free, safe, effective vaccination and takes horse de-worming medicine instead.

[IA8IT]

16. My son is hospital chaplain and a few days ago was telling me how he deals with MAGAts

I told him my method usually started with "Fuckers like you...."

[leftieNanner]

20. That phrase is found in

"Two" Corinthians, isn't it?

[IA8IT]

44. Good One!!

[Liberty Belle]

79. How DOES he deal with them?

Tell them God sent the vaccine, why didn't they use it?

[CaliforniaPeggy]

6. No, you're not a horrible person!

You’re a completely normal one who is trying to live in these tumultuous times.

Hang in there!

[FoxNewsSucks]

7. You're not a horrible person at all.

You have a lot of company in that. None of us are horrible people.

After a while, one can't help but feel that way about these gullible, mean, selfish cult fools and the trouble they are causing for everyone.

[madaboutharry]

8. You are a good person, Lunabell

It isn’t wrong to not feel sorry for dangerous people.

[Beetwasher.]

9. No, You're Not, You're Human, And

Your feelings are justifiable. Also, you have self-awareness enough to explore your feelings on the matter and feel guilty about your schaudenfreude, so you're emotionally evolved enough to examine your thoughts and behavior and how it effects others. This makes you a good, thoughtful person who is justifiably angry at the selfish, destructive shitheads in the world. No one cried when Hitler died. Now these folks are not Hitler, but they would probably be Hitler, or follow him, if given the chance. So, you're not a horrible person at all. You're a good person, who can and does reflect thoughtfully on themselves and deplores the evil that is around us. No need to feel bad about it. It's essentially Darwinism in action.

[Walleye]

10. I'm worse. I always think that's one less Republican vote

[maxsolomon]

60. Except it's not always.

there is a portion of the unvaxxed that are Dems.

African-Americans who don't trust the Medical Establishment, and the Anit-Vax movement itself started in Liberal Circles (JFK Jr.). the blockhead teacher who took down her mask to read to her class and gave half of them Covid? Marin County. that's likely not a MAGAt.

[Walleye]

72. True, but the polls show half of Republicans won't get the shot

[Texaswitchy]

11. They brought it on themselves

They are the horrible people.

[lagomorph777]

12. It's kind of like in war. When we sent our people over to kill Nazis, they had to become murderers.

In a sense, our good guys had to be OK with being bad guys for a while. It's the cost of war.

[Mystery sage]

13. Can join this club

I'm a Christian but when hear news of "people " dying from this I feel conflicted- happy they have been raptured but sad that even after this they still don't wish to help their fellow man.

Really I wonder when will this all end.

[2naSalit]

14. I'm trying to...

Abandon self judgement about it. So far, I haven't chosen to punish myself and I like to think of that as a success.

[stillcool]

15. you sound pretty normal to me

We're being psychologically attacked from within. It's everywhere.

[viva la]

17. No, it's a defense mechanism

We can distinguish between the deaths of the drunk driver and the drunk driver's victims.

[The Wandering Harper]

18. me too

I'd have more to say on that if I could get complex thoughts into words lately, but I seem to can't

[hlthe2b]

19. I can assure you that everyone here has those feelings--whether fleeting or more constant...

I have to deal with these people, as do my sister, friends, colleagues. So, I have to keep it in perspective. As I've posted elsewhere, I just remember that as angry as they make me, they might have innocent children and perhaps less recalcitrant, vaccinated family members hoping for their recovery... So... The assholes may deserve everything they've brought upon themselves, but do their families?

[agingdem]

21. you're not a horrible person

you've come to accept the simple fact that vile assholes do not deserve forgiveness like the unvaccinated who martyr their children in the name of freedom or Jesus or whatever garbage justifies their narrative...are we supposed to grieve with them?...sorry, no can do...there is nothing divine about forgiveness..it just allows the smug self-righteous forgiven to continue to kill, maim, destroy...

[ananda]

22. Me too, but I revel in it.

It's poetic justice.

[agingdem]

38. me too..and make no apologies for it

my parents were Holocaust survivors..I do not forgive and I do not have any patience for those that do...they're schmucks..to forgive the unforgivable normalizes it..think Trump...

[Slammer]

23. Horrible?

I thought for a moment that you were going to tell us that you turned into a Trumpkin just in time for Halloween.

[Lunabell]

81. Oh geeze!

I can't even joke about that! Puke. 😆

[LymphocyteLover]

24. Yes, I feel similarly and it seems many others here do, too

[Maine Abu El Banat]

25. Well Lunabell

They obviously don't give two shits about their own health. Why should you. Your not horrible.

[Evolve Dammit]

26. Enough is enough. If they want to die, so be it. You're not horrible. They are.

[hibbing]

27. It's the platforms they have that bothers me

It would be one thing if these were just average idiots, but no, they are idiots that are on the radio or television promoting the virus instead of the vaccine.

Peace

[Joinfortmill]

28. No, you aren't. I'm right there with you.

[Lonestarblue]

29. I look at the MAGAts as virus terrorists, and nobody wants terrorists to succeed.

Just like religious terrorists who kill with guns, these virus terrorists kill with their ignorance and their refusal to get vaccinated because they think they’re accomplishing a political goal of making Biden’s vaccination plan to end the pandemic a failure. They are terrorists because they do nothing to help stop deaths and they actively spread the virus that causes deaths.

I can feel no sympathy for any of them. I feel much sympathy for their children, who are being put at risk of death by their own parents.

[SunImp]

30. You're not horrible

Horrible people are disengenious and pretend to be decent when they are confronted. You're being truthful here and seem to hate the way you feel so you're a normal person.

[bucolic_frolic]

31. Horrible is for hindsight where you were a primary factor

You are not that important. Their path was written without you. Get a grip and be joyful for some part of your day.

[mgardener]

32. I don't think you are a horrible person.

I feel the same way.
I am not happy that anybody gets sick or dies; I am angry that they have the potential to sicken me, my family and friends.
And they are needlessly endangering health care workers.
That's what I am angry about.

[Mickju]

33. I feel the same.

[Wounded Bear]

34. It's sad because their goal is to turn us into folks like them...

[TrogL]

35. Please keep up the good work

[ProfessorGAC]

36. There's No Horrible There

The horrible people are those spreading disinformation so followers will play virus roulette.

[Woodwizard]

37. I am following

an acquaintance's journey through covid, his wife updates every day the man has been in the hospital for 6 weeks, 3 intubated, still can not breath on his own and has a chest respirator, they scanned his lungs they are massively scarred he may not survive, he is in his mid 50's. He was healthy and active did not get the vaccine. They are evangelicals and his facebook page is not ageing well with the anti mask and vaxx memes. I do not feel any satisfaction for what he is going through though I don't have any compassion either.

I do feel sorry for his 15 year old son.

On the brighter side of things this month 4 right wing anti vaxx radio hosts have kicked the bucket thanks to covid, less misinformation hitting the radio waves

[budkin]

39. Most of them are beyond saving I fear

They made their own beds.

[Vinca]

40. Not by a long shot. A horrible person is the one who won't get vaccinated or follow guidelines

to prevent Covid and ends up killing himself and others.

[JI7]

41. How does that make someone a horrible person ?

[UTUSN]

42. If it's consolation: There are NO guarantees for anybody, including us.

We can take all precautions and still fall, or even barring that can be hit by a truck.

[Botany]

43. These anti vaccine & mask people are clogging up our hospitals and causing people to die needlessly

.... from treatable problems. Such as this story of a 40 year old vet who died of gallstones because he could
not get the medical help he needed. These anti vaxx people are the real horrible people. You are not one of
those people.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017677864

[TheProle]

45. I am sad for you

and hope you can fully rediscover your humanity.

The way out of this polarization is not for people who are on the right side of history to throw away their core principles of kindness, empathy and understanding.

These need not stand in for criticism, fighting for change or vehemently disagreeing with reactionary politics, but I won't dehumanize my fellow Americans.

[ProfessorGAC]

46. Sigh!

Pretty sanctimonious.

[TheProle]

49. Not really. I am a deeply flawed person with a host of shortcomings

hatred is not one of them though, nor is grave-dancing or taking pleasure in the misfortune of others. If it appears sanctimonious, it may just be by contrast.

[Demobrat]

65. You're better.

Have a great day.

[TheProle]

67. Thanks

I'm not better than anyone. But I understand the reaction.

[totodeinhere]

51. The OP is showing the "principles of kindness, empathy and understanding."

Those anti-vaxxers are killing not only themselves but innocent people who are immune compromised or who are too young to get vaccinated or ineligible for medical reasons. The OP is showing the utmost in compassion toward the innocent while at the same time condemning anti-vaxxers who are mostly responsible for the rapid rise in Covid cases in this country. I don't think we have any moral compulsion to show any empathy or sympathy for Trump loving murderers.

[TheProle]

54. Righto

You are, of course, entitled to your opinion.

[Demobrat]

47. I tried to fight it too.

But I gave up.

If the situation were reversed, if the vaccine turned out to have horrible side effects, they would be gloating, laughing, and pointing.

Fox News would be having a field day.

Yes, it would be nice to think we were better than that, but we’re all human.

And they are the moral equivalent of suicide bombers.

[madeup64]

62. This is so true

And then they'd be calling for Fauci to be executed.

[Irish_Dem]

48. When we start becoming people we are not, that means we are in a toxic environment.

[totodeinhere]

50. No, you are a good person.

Any anti-vaxxer is just getting a good dose of justice when they die because they were stupid enough to refuse getting vaccinated.

[wysimdnwyg]

53. I'm right there with you

Maybe it makes me a bad person, but my reaction every time I hear an anti-vaxxer has Covid or dies from it has become "fuck 'em". Honestly, there is a part of me that wishes they'd die faster so that more people would get the metaphorical knock on the head about how bad this disease is.

[louslobbs]

55. Awareness is an important part of being a decent human. I have felt the exact same feelings about

myself recently. The important thing is that we recognize it and don’t like it. It gives us the opportunity to practice restraint and self control. The other side, specifically the trump Republicans, they don’t seem to have any self control since Putin put trump into power. They got a taste of what it would be like to “own” the other side, and they liked it a lot. Their type was in power and they no longer had to exhibit any self control. They were released from the bondage of being controlled by the “liberal elites,” and the new power structure approved and encouraged who they were being. We must fight these people without losing control of ourselves, awareness is the first step. I appreciate this post and you for posting it.

[ybbor]

56. You are not horrible!

You are simply disgusted with a great deal of people who are acting very selfish. Many of them
are not feeling any ramifications for being careless, and it’s frustrating. I have spent a lot of time wondering if I was/am being too careful and missing out on things, but know that I am being smart in my actions.

It does make our actions feel rewarded when we see the “others” get sick from their selfishness and disregard for their fellow citizens.

The orange menace is completely to blame for this with his total failure from the beginning to take it seriously.

A doctor friend (anesthesiologist, who says if he sees you, it’s 50/50 shot you survive) was saying we really need to start focusing on is the rest of the world. If we can’t get EVERYONE on the planet vaccinated it’s never gonna go away, and will continue to mutate.

So again not horrible!

[BigBearJohn]

57. The Bible covers it well

the New Testament of the Bible, Galatians 6 : “Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, this he will also reap.”

[paleotn]

58. I'd feel horrible too, if weren't for the fact...

that the anti's somehow think "they own me" by killing themselves. It's not the stupidity itself. It's the arrogant, self destruction and take everyone else with them stupidity.

[The Mouth]

59. It started as a virus. Now it is an IQ test

Darwin will not be denied.

[madeup64]

61. At this point it's hard not to

There is actually a whole sub on Reddit titled, "The Herman Cain Award". It's screenshots of Facebook posts (and other social media) of Trumpsters doing their best to be horrific, non-empathetic, racist, selfish, ignorant, self-centered aholes. The only thing is this trumpsters all get Covid and then it's their posts after that.

Now one good thing is the sub does post anyone that "redeems" themselves by denouncing the anti-vaxx nonsense and trying to get others to get vaxxed. However I can tell you they are very few of these unfortunately. The ones that probably angered me the most are the ones complaining about how horrible it is in the hospital and how unfair it is their family can't be in there to see them. Predictably there is also the GoFundMe at the end where either themselves while they're in the hospital or their family members after they passed ask for money to help. Of course there's always the post about what good Christians they were.

I am struggling so much with this myself because I feel like an awful person because it seems so hypocritical of me to feel this way. But at the same time you get what you give and we have all put up with enough that I don't think that it's unreasonable to not feel sympathy for these people at this point.

It will sound crass but it made me not feel as bad when I saw how even in death they or their families refused to say "we/they were wrong."

Additionally there's a whole bunch of posts about giving kids invermectin and I'm not going to feel bad for any person that does that.

I will save my empathy for the innocent who truly deserve it. I think a lot of us are too our breaking point and we are having a normal human response to what we are being put through. I can tell you my final straw is there lack of worry for children. I live in Arizona and my daughter has been in school since Aug 2nd. She's in junior high so it's only 7th and 8th grade at her school. On August 25th an email came out from the principal that said that 577 students and 123 employees reported testing positive for covid and that 1,859 individuals had been placed into quarantine including 9 classes or programs.

I hope all of you are safe and doing your best to keep you your loved ones safe. 💓

[MurrayDelph]

64. The word "schadenfreude" is insufficient

It doesn't differentiate whether the sufferer or enjoyer is the asshole.

Case in point: when I was a kid, my mom was standing at the snack stand at a Dodgers game behind a television personality I won't name (suffice to say he thought People Are Funny and Kids Say the Darnedest Things). This guy was boasting to his friend that a flood in the Central Valley (yes, I'm old-enough to remember rain in the Central Valley) ruined the tomato crop there, so his tomatoes would sell for a lot more than they otherwise would have. It that case, the enjoyer is the asshole.

Oh the other hand, when a Limbaugh dies of lung cancer, or an obnoxious anti-mask anti-vaxx influencer dies of Covid, or a Derek Chauvin gets convicted, the brief smile is because justice got it right for a change.

[PlanetBev]

66. I was thinking the same thing today.

Every time some Right Wing hack dies of Covid, my attitude is “tuff titties”, especially the ones who campaigned against vaccinations.

Wish I could muster up sympathy for these assholes, but I just can’t.

[Initech]

68. I've run out of empathy a while ago.

If you don't get the vaccine, you are your own worst enemy.

[sakabatou]

69. No you're not horrible.

When the anti-vaxxers/maskers die, I feel no pity. I am not joyous nor giddy. It's more akin to disappointment and/or anger (disgusted?).

That being said, I may feel sorry for that person's family.

[ecstatic]

70. You're not horrible. tfg gave many of us a little PTSD

5 years of nonstop chaos from the moment he announced he was running. We didn't even get the pleasure of enjoying him leave--he mishandled a virus which caused it to become a global pandemic, and then he tried to overthrow the United States. Many of us are still trying to go back to who we were before the nightmare began--but the problem is, the nightmare hasn't ended yet.

[drmeow]

71. You are not a horrible person

Hitler was a horrible person.
Mussolini was a horrible person.
Pol Pot was a horrible person.
Trump is a horrible person.
Jim Jordan is a horrible person.
Mitch McConnell is a horrible person.
Hannity is a horrible person.
Tucker Carlson is a horrible person.


You are a normal person faced with watching multiple horrible people like those above lie to, manipulate, and brainwash other people into doing stupid, immensely damaging things all for the sake of the wealth and power of the people people above. Feeling schadenfreude, satisfaction, and even relief is not being a horrible person - it is being a human being under immense pressure.

[Caliman73]

73. Joining the bandwagon. You are not a horrible person. You are human.

Sure, it would be great if we could all just look at the humanity and be compassionate and caring without judgement. That is not how humans are wired though.

When people are warned, for months, hearing about more than half a million dead people, likely people they know, at least friends or extended family.

If it were only unvaccinated people that were affected, then we could stand back and say, "tsk, tsk, tsk," and go on with our lives, but their selfish actions are affecting everyone. I have a 11 year old daughter who cannot get vaccinated. She is at risk, and at the mercy of others, unless I confine her to the house. We have people who are so full of anger or greed and lust for power, that they ignore science or even worse, lie and spread propaganda, using their status as "trusted" to tell people not to care about others.

I think that we all see that and we want some kind of retribution. It doesn't make us horrible. It makes us human. Now, as you said, "reveling" in pain, death, etc... would reveal a darker nature.

I think it is okay to allow yourself to feel all of your valid emotions, just check yourself and fight to keep your feelings of humanity.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

74. Nope you are not horrible,you are sane.

[traitorsgalore]

75. Self-preservation is normal

The psychotic covidiot, germ warfare, variant breeders are the horrible people.

[applegrove]

76. That is why Abbot and DeSantis do it. To turn us into libertarians who don't believe anyone

who has a weakness, in this case being pawns or patsies to the right wing in this deadly game, deserve to live.

[canetoad]

77. Nope

You're a survivor. You have assessed the actions necessary to best ensure survival of this pandemic and put them in place for yourself. I'd say you deserve a spot in the gene pool.

[luckone]

78. I'm not celebrating their death really but the group who is anti vax includes a lot of fundies

and plenty of MAGAt people who are probably racists so they would like me gone and it’s no loss to me to have less of them around
Can’t care too much about haters or angry nuts . I’m just not that kind of a person

Others are just dumb , others are arrogant about their health / age and it’s sad to know some are probably going to give us a new variant eventually before they die or post a go fund me

All of the above are pissing off the majority who expected unity in confronting this virus
but no
here we are with people who won’t wear a mask or take a vaccine taking us backwards in many areas

My sympathy is more with the young children and health care workers suffering this pandemic again .
Those profiting from anti vax mask crap money wise or politically are very evil imo yes
They can go to Hades they are the horrible ones not you

[634-5789]

80. Me too. I cannot tolerate stupidity due to conspiracy beliefs.

[Prichards115]

82. no you aren't

It is not a character flaw to celebrate the death of a selfish piece of shit