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TheProle

(2,151 posts)
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 06:18 PM Aug 2021

The COVID-19 vaccines' ability to keep people out of the hospital appears to be dropping slightly

The COVID-19 vaccines' ability to keep people out of the hospital appears to be dropping slightly, particularly for those 75 and older, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention announced Monday during an advisory panel.

The CDC has previously estimated that 97% of people in the hospital being treated for COVID-19 are unvaccinated, but that data was collected before the spread of delta, a hyper-transmissible variant that many doctors have warned appears to be making people sicker.

The latest CDC analysis estimates that the ability of the COVID vaccines to keep a person out of the hospital is now between 75% to 95%.


https://abcnews.go.com/Health/live-updates/coronavirus-delta-variant-latest-news/?id=79720727#79723614
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The COVID-19 vaccines' ability to keep people out of the hospital appears to be dropping slightly (Original Post) TheProle Aug 2021 OP
I think vaccinated people are less likely to test... targetpractice Aug 2021 #1
I think this has some truth. Johonny Aug 2021 #4
These are two different statistics being compared, but then I expect most M$M journalist's Hugh_Lebowski Aug 2021 #2
Ugh. Just ugh. paleotn Aug 2021 #6
Makes sense, since most of those 75 and over were vaccinated 6-8 months ago Fiendish Thingy Aug 2021 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Aug 2021 #5
Possibly, but those stats don't show that. paleotn Aug 2021 #7
Clickbait Headline On This Story ProfessorGAC Aug 2021 #8

targetpractice

(4,919 posts)
1. I think vaccinated people are less likely to test...
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 06:25 PM
Aug 2021

... And, as a result... Breakthrough cases are way under reported.

I had COVID last year, know what it feels like, and am vaccinated... I had symptoms a couple of weeks ago... sore throat, strange taste in my mouth, coughing, constant sneezing... But, I didn't bother to get tested because whatever I had was mild.

https://www.propublica.org/article/the-cdc-only-tracks-a-fraction-of-breakthrough-covid-19-infections-even-as-cases-surge

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
2. These are two different statistics being compared, but then I expect most M$M journalist's
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 06:26 PM
Aug 2021

grasp of 'math' to be suspect ...

"The CDC has previously estimated that 97% of people in the hospital being treated for COVID-19 are unvaccinated"

"The latest CDC analysis estimates that the ability of the COVID vaccines to keep a person out of the hospital is now between 75% to 95%."


Those two concepts ... are not the same, do not involve the same calculations, and cannot be compared as the flow of this article seems to suggest.

Mainstream media f***s up on stuff like this ALL THE TIME.

paleotn

(17,881 posts)
6. Ugh. Just ugh.
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 06:37 PM
Aug 2021

Is there some statistical malpractice statute they can be charged under? If not, there ought to be. That's criminal.

Attention Journalism majors. If you're looking for some electives that might actually help in your future career pursuits, come on over to the math building. We don't bite. At least not hard.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,548 posts)
3. Makes sense, since most of those 75 and over were vaccinated 6-8 months ago
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 06:34 PM
Aug 2021

And that is the estimate for when boosters are needed. Good thing booster officially roll out in a couple of weeks.

Response to TheProle (Original post)

paleotn

(17,881 posts)
7. Possibly, but those stats don't show that.
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 06:45 PM
Aug 2021

They're comparing apples and oranges. Not to say the efficacy of current vaccines won't decline. They most certainly will, given our current level of vaccinations in the US and globally. We're inadvertently, or maybe purposefully, playing a game of find the sweet spot. That place where current variants feel just the right amount of evolutionary pressure to mutate around existing vaccines as quickly as possible.

ProfessorGAC

(64,852 posts)
8. Clickbait Headline On This Story
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 07:20 PM
Aug 2021

From the article:

However, the vaccine still remain highly effective at preventing serious illness, according to the briefing.

And, the reporting is typical of the last several weeks.
States with high vax rates are those likely to have the highest breakthrough rate. The higher the breakthrough rate, the more likely severe cases arise.
It's a statistical tautology that is regularly misreported.
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