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demmiblue

(36,823 posts)
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 01:22 PM Sep 2021

Rolling Stone updates 500 Greatest Songs of All Time list with big changes, new No. 1

Rolling Stone updated its list of the 500 greatest songs of all-time – its first update in 17 years.

The Queen of Soul, Aretha Franklin, took home the top spot for her version of "Respect," which was originally recorded by Otis Redding. Snagging second place was Public Enemy's "Fight the Power."

The magazine noted that its list was created from over 250 artists, writers and industry figures who participated in a poll of over 4,000 songs.

Rolling Stone's original list came in 2004, but a measurable amount of change was evidenced in the revised list, with nearly half the songs new to the ranking. There's far more hip hop, country music, Latin pop, reggae and R&B in the latest list. Outkast's "Hey Ya!," for instance, checked in at No. 10, while Kanye West's "Stronger" took the final spot at No. 500.


The top 20 are listed below, with the full list of 500 available on Rolling Stone's website.

20. Robyn: "Dancing on My Own"
19. John Lennon: "Imagine"
18. Prince and the Revolution: "Purple Rain"
17. Queen: "Bohemian Rhapsody"
16. Beyoncé feat. Jay-Z: "Crazy in Love"
15. The Beatles: "I Want to Hold Your Hand"
14. The Kinks: "Waterloo Sunset"
13. The Rolling Stones: "Gimme Shelter"
12. Stevie Wonder: "Superstition"
11. The Beach Boys: "God Only Knows"
10. Outkast: "Hey Ya!"
9. Fleetwood Mac: "Dreams"
8. Missy Elliott: "Get Ur Freak On"
7. The Beatles: "Strawberry Fields Forever"
6. Marvin Gaye: "What’s Going On"
5. Nirvana: "Smells Like Teen Spirit"
4. Bob Dylan: "Like a Rolling Stone"
3. Sam Cooke: "A Change Is Gonna Come"
2. Public Enemy: "Fight the Power"
1. Aretha Franklin: "Respect"


https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/music/2021/09/16/rolling-stone-updates-500-greatest-songs-all-time-list-new-no-1/8361150002/


https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-lists/best-songs-of-all-time-1224767/kanye-west-stronger-1224837/
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Rolling Stone updates 500 Greatest Songs of All Time list with big changes, new No. 1 (Original Post) demmiblue Sep 2021 OP
Interesting hibbing Sep 2021 #1
No flaming from me. It's obvious that the two of us were not consulted abqtommy Sep 2021 #8
It's an outrage!! hehe hibbing Sep 2021 #19
I Wasn't Consulted Either RobinA Sep 2021 #197
That's OK. Rolling Stone is one of the most overrated publications in history. NNadir Sep 2021 #18
It died 40 years ago and became total irrelevant, IMHO Dakota Flint Sep 2021 #51
This message was self-deleted by its author Mr. Evil Sep 2021 #70
Agreed. Nirvana is the most overrated of all time. CrackityJones75 Sep 2021 #66
I'm thinking #5. Mr. Evil Sep 2021 #72
Music is super subjective BannonsLiver Sep 2021 #138
Motley Crue Ahpook Sep 2021 #193
The most overrated band ever has two songs on that list by my count Amishman Sep 2021 #186
Nothing at all by Led Zeppelin? True Dough Sep 2021 #2
No Stairway? Aristus Sep 2021 #3
How many years have you been plotting to use that clip, Aristus? True Dough Sep 2021 #10
Many, many years. Aristus Sep 2021 #12
Just one other thing to add... True Dough Sep 2021 #15
Stairway to Heaven is #61. n/t demmiblue Sep 2021 #7
surius. NT Happy Hoosier Sep 2021 #25
They hate and have always hated Led Zeppelin Johonny Sep 2021 #196
Seems Ok, Except... ProfessorGAC Sep 2021 #4
Disagree. It was a worldwide crossover hit with a visionary video, it's spawned countless remixes WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2021 #22
I love it, but Top 10? AZSkiffyGeek Sep 2021 #28
How about Hallelujah? Polybius Sep 2021 #200
They put Cohen's version on the list AZSkiffyGeek Sep 2021 #202
I meant in the top 20 Polybius Sep 2021 #204
We'll Agree To Disagree ProfessorGAC Sep 2021 #37
"Work It" by Missy was 1,000 times better Polybius Sep 2021 #199
Boy. Did Rolling Stone blow that, or what? BComplex Sep 2021 #5
I'd agree that "Respect" and "Gimme Shelter" probably belong in the top 20. Doubts about highplainsdem Sep 2021 #11
Oh, I think Marvin Gaye's should be even higher than it is. llmart Sep 2021 #151
Waterloo Sunset. #14. What a fantastic song. LakeArenal Sep 2021 #6
I'd never heard of it underpants Sep 2021 #14
Lol, I had never heard this song. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2021 #16
Same here TexasTowelie Sep 2021 #20
I bought the single when I first heard it on the radio in 1967 Tom Rinaldo Sep 2021 #38
Over 50 classic rock fan TheDemsshouldhireme Sep 2021 #57
That's why I'm amazed it was #14. LakeArenal Sep 2021 #73
I was lucky to see Elliot Smith cover it shortly before his suicide. maxsolomon Sep 2021 #142
This whole list is bs. LakeArenal Sep 2021 #144
Well, if the purpose is clickbait (it usually is these days) maxsolomon Sep 2021 #148
It is overlooked now, but I do think it is Ray's finest songwriting AZSkiffyGeek Sep 2021 #149
I agree. Well Respected Man is also great. LakeArenal Sep 2021 #150
The Kinks' album run from Something Else through Muswell Hillbillies.... AZSkiffyGeek Sep 2021 #152
Yep. I was fortunate to see them in the 70's LakeArenal Sep 2021 #156
Top 20 album for me for sure AZSkiffyGeek Sep 2021 #158
Kindred 🎶 spirit. LakeArenal Sep 2021 #161
Good song, but when we're talking "great" I imagine the metrics should be... Goodheart Sep 2021 #74
Lola, Well Respected Man, or Apeman before WS LakeArenal Sep 2021 #76
"Death of a Clown"?? bullwinkle428 Sep 2021 #112
Strangers is my favorite Dave song AZSkiffyGeek Sep 2021 #153
The Kinks could have had many more on it Norbert Sep 2021 #81
Amazed even. LakeArenal Sep 2021 #84
Its the "Of All Time" claim that is both annoying and comical Otto_Harper Sep 2021 #9
Richard Thompson does a "1000 Years of Popular Music" show AZSkiffyGeek Sep 2021 #30
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2021 #131
Yes! geardaddy Sep 2021 #64
What about Leader of the Laundromat? Not ranked? Unfair Champp Sep 2021 #13
I'd say that brings back memories but really nilram Sep 2021 #52
LOL llmart Sep 2021 #159
I'm getting old. I only like one of the top ten songs. nt TexasTowelie Sep 2021 #17
Nirvana?! radicalleft Sep 2021 #21
Yeah, that's fine. Lots of us don't agree with you. NT Happy Hoosier Sep 2021 #26
Lol USALiberal Sep 2021 #29
Incredibly insightful. LanternWaste Sep 2021 #62
It appears some songs are ones that had an impact on future music C Moon Sep 2021 #55
I agree with you 100%! Mr. Evil Sep 2021 #77
Totally disagree - music does not have to make you feel good FreeState Sep 2021 #95
Music can be many things but, Mr. Evil Sep 2021 #96
Wow.... how analytical. Happy Hoosier Sep 2021 #166
+1 Celerity Sep 2021 #103
Yeah, I can see how these songs can make you feel good Bongo Prophet Sep 2021 #98
The presentations and productions are vastly different. Mr. Evil Sep 2021 #99
'Music is supposed to make you feel good.' Celerity Sep 2021 #102
list your favourite bands please Celerity Sep 2021 #101
Well as a Gen Xer, heavy metal from the 70's and 80's ranks up there radicalleft Sep 2021 #114
As A Gen Xer Who Was Deeply Entrenched In The 80's-90's Metal Scene;... ruet Sep 2021 #177
I wonder if there will be a new version of that old joke AZSkiffyGeek Sep 2021 #181
I'm an Xer, and while I hated them too, it belongs there Polybius Sep 2021 #203
Well, opinions and all, but NOPE. NT Happy Hoosier Sep 2021 #23
No "My Pal Foot Foot"? No Peace! gratuitous Sep 2021 #24
Oh man, that and It's Halloween geardaddy Sep 2021 #60
Now I will have that annoying, Fleetwood Mac: "Dreams" earworm LeftInTX Sep 2021 #27
I really dislike that song. Goodheart Sep 2021 #63
Fleetwood mac had so many better songs tinymontgomery Sep 2021 #97
That's at the bottom of Stevie Nicks Mac tunes for me AZSkiffyGeek Sep 2021 #145
A lot of the folks who liked Rolling Stone's 500GSAT from 17 years ago are probably dead now. sop Sep 2021 #31
For me, the Beatles take the top ten spots. Cartoonist Sep 2021 #32
no Celerity Sep 2021 #104
I agree Poiuyt Sep 2021 #108
I think... Mike Nelson Sep 2021 #33
Just mistakes from the Beatles tracks alone... Moostache Sep 2021 #34
While I agree there are better Beatles songs xmas74 Sep 2021 #130
These lists are stupid and annoying Mysterian Sep 2021 #35
Absolutely, yes. YES! Jansen Sep 2021 #58
yes, and the same can be said about many of the replies here (NOT yours) Celerity Sep 2021 #107
Outkast at #10 with "Hey Ya"?!?! WTMF??? Roland99 Sep 2021 #36
Been to a wedding in the last 20 years? maxsolomon Sep 2021 #85
Popularity is not quality Roland99 Sep 2021 #87
Except that "Hey Ya" is good. AZSkiffyGeek Sep 2021 #154
No. It's bad. Real bad Roland99 Sep 2021 #169
Nah, but it's not as good as BOB or Ms. Jackson AZSkiffyGeek Sep 2021 #170
So is "All the Single Ladies" at most wedding receptions. llmart Sep 2021 #163
YES IT DOES. maxsolomon Sep 2021 #172
IKR!? Mr. Evil Sep 2021 #86
So much Nope! 2, 3, 7, 8, 10, 14, 16, & 20 don't belong that high up at all. NightWatcher Sep 2021 #39
🙄 nt ecstatic Sep 2021 #115
Un bel di vedremo Giacomo Puccini Maria Callas marie999 Sep 2021 #40
Who the heck is Robyn and where is The Boss? (n/t) MissMillie Sep 2021 #41
dancing on my own sung by callum scott on britain's got talent. chilling msongs Sep 2021 #43
I prefer her version Rosco T. Sep 2021 #45
What a terribly edhopper Sep 2021 #127
I just listened to this song... AZSkiffyGeek Sep 2021 #180
I love Respect Casady1 Sep 2021 #42
Here's the BEST road trip songlist Brother Buzz Sep 2021 #44
That's a hell of a road trip list, but I'd replace the Heartbreakers "Mary Jane's Last Dance" with sop Sep 2021 #46
"any intelligent person knows any decent road trip will start with ZZ Top" left-of-center2012 Sep 2021 #53
Totally agree. ShazzieB Sep 2021 #191
I like your music left-of-center2012 Sep 2021 #192
Have a Cigar Klaralven Sep 2021 #93
This message was self-deleted by its author JustABozoOnThisBus Sep 2021 #109
This message was self-deleted by its author JustABozoOnThisBus Sep 2021 #117
LOL But after he lost the original list, did he come up with the same one the second time around? Princess Turandot Sep 2021 #140
Life would be boring if things didn't change Brother Buzz Sep 2021 #155
Fight the Power isn't even a top 5 Public Enemy song. nt LexVegas Sep 2021 #47
Some I never heard of -- Some I never liked left-of-center2012 Sep 2021 #48
But WHICH version of Respect? DFW Sep 2021 #49
I'm surprised that Purple Rain isn't in the top 10 geardaddy Sep 2021 #50
THIS!!! MontanaMama Sep 2021 #59
Yep. geardaddy Sep 2021 #61
I'm listening through the list right now AZSkiffyGeek Sep 2021 #188
Great call on Strange Fruit! geardaddy Sep 2021 #195
Perfect Roy Rolling Sep 2021 #54
That list is embarrassingly bad. Goodheart Sep 2021 #56
It is laughable left-of-center2012 Sep 2021 #67
Want to know just how ridiculous it is? Goodheart Sep 2021 #71
"Bridge Over Troubled Water" left-of-center2012 Sep 2021 #75
Don't know if I'd make it #1... llmart Sep 2021 #165
Both sides now was written and first recorded by Judy Collins GusBob Sep 2021 #79
It was written by Joni Mitchell, first recorded by Judy Collins. Goodheart Sep 2021 #82
Now that's confusing...LOL LeftInTX Sep 2021 #89
Even more so when you learn that Joni didn't like the way Judy sang it. LOL Goodheart Sep 2021 #90
Thanks for the detailed review. Nt USALiberal Sep 2021 #118
Bizarre Love Triangle is certainly the greatest song of all time. Goodheart Sep 2021 #65
for New Order, I would go with Temptation Celerity Sep 2021 #106
My favorite New Order song changes from day to day Goodheart Sep 2021 #133
Did you fuse these two personally? Goodheart Sep 2021 #134
No, I do not post on YT. nt Celerity Sep 2021 #136
I like both Temptation and Bizzare Love Triangle AZSkiffyGeek Sep 2021 #146
They're fucking high. Iggo Sep 2021 #68
the Bat's cover from 1984 shreds Celerity Sep 2021 #105
Bruce rules Rolling Stone drools bronxiteforever Sep 2021 #69
He never had a number 1 hit! Nt USALiberal Sep 2021 #120
Lol! Marconi played the mamba. N.t. bronxiteforever Sep 2021 #143
This list is "sort of" greatest songs, but more so cultural impact songs. For example... themaguffin Sep 2021 #78
How are My Generation, Baba O'Reilly, or Won't Get Fooled Again maxrandb Sep 2021 #80
Having a song written by Otis Redding in the top 20 is great and all (especially that song, sung by deurbano Sep 2021 #83
Me and Bobby McGee lpbk2713 Sep 2021 #88
None of those make my top 20. My number 1 of all time GoodRaisin Sep 2021 #91
Where is Thunder Road? ThunderRoad Sep 2021 #92
It is on the list, but lower AZSkiffyGeek Sep 2021 #157
RS is trying to diversify. maxsolomon Sep 2021 #94
This list shows how little they understand, really. yardwork Sep 2021 #111
Lol, so they know nothing about music? Nt USALiberal Sep 2021 #121
Those who voted don't edhopper Sep 2021 #129
They're trying to appeal to a difference audience LeftInTX Sep 2021 #171
Every one of us would make a different list. maxsolomon Sep 2021 #141
Current musicians and industry figures are the ones who voted on the songs AZSkiffyGeek Sep 2021 #189
this was number one on some list a few years ago Demovictory9 Sep 2021 #100
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2021 #110
Freddie is looking down at this self important publication list tavernier Sep 2021 #113
No Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, Mariah Carey or Boyz II Men? ecstatic Sep 2021 #116
I've never even heard 1/2 these songs. Calista241 Sep 2021 #119
Where is "Making Love in A Subaru"? Dirty Socialist Sep 2021 #122
I'm kinda surprised that there's quite a few I've never heard of fescuerescue Sep 2021 #123
No Bob Marley? WTF? Opinions are like a$$holes. Everybody has one. nt Roisin Ni Fiachra Sep 2021 #124
I hate to open a can of worms, but Dirty Socialist Sep 2021 #125
The list doesn't specify Rock and Roll AZSkiffyGeek Sep 2021 #160
Bah! Humbug! panader0 Sep 2021 #126
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2021 #128
Quite embarsssing edhopper Sep 2021 #132
Robyn's Dancing on my Own?1!! Not as good as the worst ABBA song. SYFROYH Sep 2021 #135
I really like that song. Maybe it depends on whose leftyladyfrommo Sep 2021 #173
Hey Ya! sucks. BannonsLiver Sep 2021 #137
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2021 #139
No Jimi Hendrix? jalan48 Sep 2021 #147
He is in the top 500... Happy Hoosier Sep 2021 #167
I was thinking they would lean toward the most influential artists. Oh well, The Best always jalan48 Sep 2021 #178
My definition of greatest and theirs is much different ... Lucinda Sep 2021 #162
Whaaaattt? No Nicki Menaj? A poet and wordsmith like her left off? Shame!!! albacore Sep 2021 #164
Rolling Stone magazine came out in 1967 llmart Sep 2021 #168
Was Disturbed's Sound of Silence on there? leftyladyfrommo Sep 2021 #174
Disturbed? ruet Sep 2021 #175
David Draiman is wonderful when he's not doing leftyladyfrommo Sep 2021 #176
Just Watched It. If I Heard it Without Knowing Anything Else About It,... ruet Sep 2021 #179
At least you tried. I am kind 8f surprised leftyladyfrommo Sep 2021 #184
An Internal Bias I Can't Correct For. -NT- ruet Sep 2021 #185
David Draiman is an incredible person. leftyladyfrommo Sep 2021 #187
sad to say i do not know all of these songs nt orleans Sep 2021 #182
Why is "Don't Fear the Reaper" 446, while Hall and Oates, "She's Gone" 336? LeftInTX Sep 2021 #183
The whole lsit on Spotify... AZSkiffyGeek Sep 2021 #190
uugh Shellback Squid Sep 2021 #194
Seriously, "Hey Ya" by Outcast is 10?!? Polybius Sep 2021 #198
That rag has sucked for half a century. miyazaki Sep 2021 #201
Great list. I love it. Captain Stern Sep 2021 #205

hibbing

(10,094 posts)
1. Interesting
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 01:24 PM
Sep 2021

Don't want to start a flame war, but one of these is from the most overrated bands in the history of music!

Peace

abqtommy

(14,118 posts)
8. No flaming from me. It's obvious that the two of us were not consulted
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 01:30 PM
Sep 2021

Last edited Thu Sep 16, 2021, 02:10 PM - Edit history (1)

on this by Rolling Stone. It is interesting info so thanks for the original op here.

RobinA

(9,886 posts)
197. I Wasn't Consulted Either
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 12:22 PM
Sep 2021

Had I been I would have mentioned that mixing genres is a terrible idea.

Response to NNadir (Reply #18)

Mr. Evil

(2,825 posts)
72. I'm thinking #5.
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 04:39 PM
Sep 2021

Never could wrap my head around how such depressing, heroin-fueled music quickly became so popular and thankfully, so quickly died. Rock & Roll is supposed to be over-the-top, larger than life, flamboyant and the concerts are supposed to raise the roof! I absolutely hate that grunge shit!

*I had to repost this as I originally replied to the wrong post. My apologies!*

Ahpook

(2,749 posts)
193. Motley Crue
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 10:05 PM
Sep 2021

and the rest of those bands were squeaky clean, angelic alter boys?

Not enjoying the message is one thing, but the heroin fuel has been very present in quite a few rock bands from way back.

I'll agree that Nirvana didn't age well, but AIC and Soundgarden wrote fantastic songs.

True Dough

(17,246 posts)
10. How many years have you been plotting to use that clip, Aristus?
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 01:33 PM
Sep 2021

Glad to provide you a prime opportunity!

Johonny

(20,818 posts)
196. They hate and have always hated Led Zeppelin
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 11:00 AM
Sep 2021

Same with The Who.

Rolling Stone has huge biases and always have. The literally hated Queen until Mercury died of Aids. Sad but true.

ProfessorGAC

(64,852 posts)
4. Seems Ok, Except...
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 01:29 PM
Sep 2021

...for #8.
There are songs on the list that have had tremendous staying power.
There are others that became nearly ubiquitous.
I don't think that Elliott song has the latter, and I'm betting it won't have the former.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,307 posts)
22. Disagree. It was a worldwide crossover hit with a visionary video, it's spawned countless remixes
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 01:42 PM
Sep 2021

that have been big hits in their own rights, it's musically rich and complex. As for entertainment, it's a banger. Missy should be up high and seeing this song at 8 was a pleasant surprise.

AZSkiffyGeek

(10,972 posts)
28. I love it, but Top 10?
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 01:49 PM
Sep 2021

The biggest offront for me is God Only Knows missing the Top 10. Actually, I think it should be Top 5.
But I can't complain too much about the ones included. I appreciate that they've moved on from classic rock and added a lot of diversity to their list.

AZSkiffyGeek

(10,972 posts)
202. They put Cohen's version on the list
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 03:02 PM
Sep 2021

Personally I think Buckley’s should’ve been used instead. And I wouldn’t argue it in the Top 10.

Polybius

(15,334 posts)
204. I meant in the top 20
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 03:06 PM
Sep 2021

And Cohen's version isn't even in the 2nd best anymore. Pentatonix did a truly outstanding version in 2016.

ProfessorGAC

(64,852 posts)
37. We'll Agree To Disagree
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 02:28 PM
Sep 2021

Music is all about taste anyway.
I'm sure there are songs I think are all-time greats that you wouldn't like, and vice versa.
That's why there are dozens of genres.
Is her song my taste? No. But, there are others on that list that aren't my taste, but I can easily see the impact.
And, being sampled doesn't work for me as evidence of staying power. For you & others, it may be. Again, we're influenced by our tastes.
But, there are songs on that list 40, 50, 60+ years old. I'm just not able to see people remembering her hit in 50 years.
If I'm wrong, I'll admit I was wrong.

highplainsdem

(48,910 posts)
11. I'd agree that "Respect" and "Gimme Shelter" probably belong in the top 20. Doubts about
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 01:34 PM
Sep 2021

the other 18.

llmart

(15,532 posts)
151. Oh, I think Marvin Gaye's should be even higher than it is.
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 12:15 PM
Sep 2021

But I'll disagree with you that it shouldn't be on the list. Also, Sam Cooke. Those songs are impactful.

TexasTowelie

(111,938 posts)
20. Same here
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 01:40 PM
Sep 2021

and I listened to the complete Village Green Preservation Society album less than two weeks ago.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,911 posts)
38. I bought the single when I first heard it on the radio in 1967
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 02:36 PM
Sep 2021

Waterloo Sunset was released as the follow up single to "Sunny Afternoon" in America. I think it barely cracked the top 40 briefly, if at all. I played that single all of the time because I absolutely loved the song. It's actually a rare 45 now (which makes it worth all of about ten bucks, lol). I still have it but it but the song is included in some "Greatest Hits" type Kinks CDs. I never understood why it wasn't a hit, before the world finally caught up to how beautiful a song Waterloo Sunset is. I read that when the UK voted on Brexit, London was the only part of England proper that voted to stay in the EU. As a result a major London radio station ran a contest for listeners to nominate a "London National Anthem" as if London were leaving England. Waterloo Sunset was the winner. At the 2012 Olympics Ray Davies performed a live version as part of the closing ceremony. Inexplicably NBC didn't include it in their coverage. There is relatively poor video of it on YouTube, but you can still tell it was a great performance.

LakeArenal

(28,802 posts)
73. That's why I'm amazed it was #14.
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 04:40 PM
Sep 2021

It along with many others I don’t think people listened to made this list. Songs I would have thought definitely did not.

However, it is my favorite Kinks song. Major Kinks fan.

maxsolomon

(33,244 posts)
142. I was lucky to see Elliot Smith cover it shortly before his suicide.
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 11:23 AM
Sep 2021

Those mid 60s Kinks LPs (Something Else, Village Green) are treasures, but they never really broke on this side of the Atlantic. Hence the ignorance of WS on this thread I think. I'd never heard those LPs until my mid-20s, when I picked them up in a Cincy thrift store on Spanish-label cassettes. Still have those versions!

My stepdaughter, a major Elliot Smith fan in her teens, loves that song - because of that cover, it might be the best-known Kinks song to many Millenials.

LakeArenal

(28,802 posts)
144. This whole list is bs.
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 11:51 AM
Sep 2021

We’d be better off compiling our own top 20 songs.

There really is no such thing as best song
ever... Music is so subjective.

maxsolomon

(33,244 posts)
148. Well, if the purpose is clickbait (it usually is these days)
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 12:08 PM
Sep 2021

and getting Boomers worked up, then it worked very well.

AZSkiffyGeek

(10,972 posts)
149. It is overlooked now, but I do think it is Ray's finest songwriting
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 12:11 PM
Sep 2021

I was so angry when they cut away from him performing it at the London Olympics.
It's not my favorite (That's "Days" or "Celluloid Heroes&quot , but "Waterloo Sunset" is a perfect song.

LakeArenal

(28,802 posts)
150. I agree. Well Respected Man is also great.
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 12:13 PM
Sep 2021

WS is my fav for some reason. Apparently someone at RS thinks do too.

AZSkiffyGeek

(10,972 posts)
152. The Kinks' album run from Something Else through Muswell Hillbillies....
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 12:19 PM
Sep 2021

Is as good as any block of albums from the bigger bands like the Who and the Stones

LakeArenal

(28,802 posts)
156. Yep. I was fortunate to see them in the 70's
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 12:24 PM
Sep 2021

That Village Green Preservation Society is a great album. That could be on my album list.

Goodheart

(5,308 posts)
74. Good song, but when we're talking "great" I imagine the metrics should be...
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 04:42 PM
Sep 2021

how popular, how influential, how many times covered, how innovative. On each of those, "Waterloo" by ABBA is far greater than Waterloo Sunset.

This list is dumb.

AZSkiffyGeek

(10,972 posts)
153. Strangers is my favorite Dave song
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 12:20 PM
Sep 2021

"Living on a Thin Line" from the 80s is also really good, but I think the Brexiteers co-opted that one...

Norbert

(6,038 posts)
81. The Kinks could have had many more on it
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 04:55 PM
Sep 2021

including about half the songs on 'Villiage Green' masterpiece. Happy this was so well placed though.

Otto_Harper

(507 posts)
9. Its the "Of All Time" claim that is both annoying and comical
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 01:32 PM
Sep 2021

While I haven't reviewed the entire list, how could one ever leave off the 16th century hit "La Mantovana", which spread throughout Europe and underlies at least 2 national anthems, a major piece of symphonic music and dozens of familiar folk melodies.

We can start in Italy with "Fuggi Fuggi Fuggi" in the 16th century, and make it to "Hatikvah" in the 20th.

AZSkiffyGeek

(10,972 posts)
30. Richard Thompson does a "1000 Years of Popular Music" show
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 01:51 PM
Sep 2021

Inspired by this exact point.
He starts with "Summer Is Icumen In" and works his way through to Britney Spears.

Response to AZSkiffyGeek (Reply #30)

Champp

(2,114 posts)
13. What about Leader of the Laundromat? Not ranked? Unfair
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 01:35 PM
Sep 2021

This has got to be a Republican-RollingStoner plot to undervalue Leader of the Laundromat. I won't have it.

C Moon

(12,208 posts)
55. It appears some songs are ones that had an impact on future music
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 04:14 PM
Sep 2021

like I Want to Hold Your Hand: not the band’s best, but it turned the music scene around almost over night.

Like them or not, Nirvana’s impact with that song and album was huge.

Mr. Evil

(2,825 posts)
77. I agree with you 100%!
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 04:46 PM
Sep 2021

Music is supposed to make you feel good. Not make you more depressed than you already are. I'm so glad that grunge shit died a quick death!

FreeState

(10,570 posts)
95. Totally disagree - music does not have to make you feel good
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 08:24 PM
Sep 2021

Some great artist are not “happy” artist and their music is just as magical and impactful as “feel good” music.

Mr. Evil

(2,825 posts)
96. Music can be many things but,
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 09:28 PM
Sep 2021

most musicians (including myself) I've ever known prefer to make a positive impact. Yes, there are sad songs about lost love and that kind of shit but, an entire genre built on being down and depressed is only impactful if you need music to do heroin by. And how much is it really enjoyed when you're practically in a coma? Going to one of those concerts was painful. Barely anything remotely exciting. Just some dudes playing, looking like they haven't had a shower in over a month.

Sorry, but, there's absolutely nothing musically inspiring about that genre of music.

Happy Hoosier

(7,216 posts)
166. Wow.... how analytical.
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 12:51 PM
Sep 2021

There is lots of music throughout history that explore dark emotions. It's shocking to me you'd call yourself a musician and not be able to acknowledge that, even if you don't personally prefer it.

YOU may not like grunge, but a lot of people do, especially of my generation. Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Stone Temple Pilots, Soundgarden... I think it's pretty hard to argue these groups didn't offer a significant contribution to music, even if you don't like it all that much. For example, I don't much care for R&B, but I certainly recognize that there are great R&B songs. I mean I wouldn't pick "Respect" as the best song of all time, but I can certainly appreciate the argument for it.

Bongo Prophet

(2,642 posts)
98. Yeah, I can see how these songs can make you feel good
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 12:18 AM
Sep 2021

"Forced out, brave and mighty
Stolen land, they can't fight it
Hold on to pride and tradition
Even though they know
How much their lives are really missing
We're dissing them
On reservations
A hopeless situation"
-- Indians by Anthrax

or

"They dedicate their lives to running all of his
He tries to please them all, this bitter man he is
Throughout his life the same, he's battled constantly
This fight he cannot win, a tired man they see no longer cares
The old man then prepares to die regretfully
That old man here is me, yeah
[Chorus]
What I've felt, what I've known
Never shined through in what I've shown
Never be, never see
Won't see what might have been
What I've felt, what I've known
Never shined through in what I've shown
Never free, never me
So I dub thee 'Unforgiven' "
---- Unforgiven by Metallica

Now these random examples are arguably depressing, hardly making one 'feel good'.
Songs about racial injustice and religious bigotry probably shouldn't.

Just a thought.
I could go on and on with other examples, from metal to punk to prog to hiphop, but prefer to be brief, ha ha.

Oh, were you being sarcastic and I missed it?

Mr. Evil

(2,825 posts)
99. The presentations and productions are vastly different.
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 03:16 AM
Sep 2021

You ever see Anthrax or Metallica live. I've seen both multiple times. Indians isn't depressing, it's angry about a system fucking over indigenous people. Yes, shedding much needed light on an injustice. Very intense and brutal live.
Great musicianship and presentation. Anthrax always brings their A-game.
Metallica; always an unforgettable show. Unforgiven is intense in its presentation especially during Kirk's lead break. You can't just stand there and play a song, you have to also express the song.
Grunge just had no presentation. No intensity or long lasting entertainment value. All the bands wore the same slovenly flannel shirts and dirty pants. Boring.

We're just different. I'm a lifelong Metalhead and obviously biased toward that genre. I like the intensity, the flames, the bombs, the lights. It's all part of the production and presentation and it's exciting! If you really want to see the difference, watch the entire Motley Crue Carnival of Sins show on Blu-Ray or whatever. Have a few beers and enjoy! It's an extravaganza! I saw that show live twice (New Orleans and in Baton Rouge after they extended the tour). Quite possibly two of the best shows I've ever seen live. Definitely the most fun! Give it a try. You'll see what I mean.

Celerity

(43,102 posts)
102. 'Music is supposed to make you feel good.'
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 03:48 AM
Sep 2021


I am sure Nirvana and

that grunge shit


does make many feel good.

I can almost guarantee some of the music you think is the dog's bollocks will make me want to wretch.

Different tastes and all that.

radicalleft

(478 posts)
114. Well as a Gen Xer, heavy metal from the 70's and 80's ranks up there
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 08:40 AM
Sep 2021

and as I've gotten older, country from the same era is enjoyable. As others have pointed out, Nirvana and most of the west coast grunge scene IMHO was lazy, hack talent that was depressing and quite frankly, baffling in it's appeal to MTV...

ruet

(10,037 posts)
177. As A Gen Xer Who Was Deeply Entrenched In The 80's-90's Metal Scene;...
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 02:18 PM
Sep 2021

you're wrong. I don't think I'd call anyone in Soundgarden, Alice in Chains, Pearljam or even Nirvana "hacks" or lazy. Chris Novoselic is a great bassist. Dave Grohl is one of the most diverse and prolific musical artists of all time. You may not appreciate Curt Cobain's playing but it fit in with what the band was doing musically and he was, actually, quite solid. His writing was off the charts.

AZSkiffyGeek

(10,972 posts)
181. I wonder if there will be a new version of that old joke
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 02:42 PM
Sep 2021

"Did you know Dave Grohl had a band before Foo Fighters?"

Polybius

(15,334 posts)
203. I'm an Xer, and while I hated them too, it belongs there
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 03:02 PM
Sep 2021

"Smells Like Teen Spirit" was a revolution song: It truly sparked a musical revolution, even though I didn't like the outcome.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
24. No "My Pal Foot Foot"? No Peace!
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 01:45 PM
Sep 2021

I confess I just checked the last 50 entries, so if that dreck (My Pal Foot Foot) made the list, then the list is even more bogus than if it didn't.

tinymontgomery

(2,584 posts)
97. Fleetwood mac had so many better songs
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 10:10 PM
Sep 2021

Songs off of Bare Tree, Future Games, Hero’s are Hard to Find and Mystery to Me.
The song “Why” sung by Christine McVie is beautiful in my opinion. Here is a live version
which makes it a little raw. Saw them in 75’ in Philadelphia.

AZSkiffyGeek

(10,972 posts)
145. That's at the bottom of Stevie Nicks Mac tunes for me
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 12:05 PM
Sep 2021

I can't see how it scored higher than "Landslide," (or "Silver Spring," but that song is always overlooked) and I don't even think that should be Top 10.

And it's DEFINITELY not better than "God Only Knows" or "Waterloo Sunset."

Mike Nelson

(9,944 posts)
33. I think...
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 02:03 PM
Sep 2021

... Rolling Stone should do a list of the songs they've dropped or omitted from past lists - and call it THE NOT-SO-GREAT SONGS LIST. I have a lot of Respect for Aretha, but Chain of Fools is greater. Also, I wouldn't give Creedence to any list that doesn't include Jessie's Girl.

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Moostache

(9,895 posts)
34. Just mistakes from the Beatles tracks alone...
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 02:16 PM
Sep 2021

Really? Ugh...very pedestrian effort from a formerly great resource...

19. John Lennon: "Imagine"
(OK...not a Beatles track but John's best solo record and well worth this or higher slot)

15. The Beatles: "I Want to Hold Your Hand"
(Help!, We Can Work It Out, Love Me Do...all are superior Beatles records!!!)

7. The Beatles: "Strawberry Fields Forever"
(In My Life, A Day In The Life, All You Need Is Love, Come Together...sheesh...you have to wonder if the list was made by throwing darts at a board while blindfolded!!!


Total lack of inclusion of possibly the three most iconic Beatles records of all time?
? Hey Jude
? Yesterday
? Let It Be

Rolling Stone has gone full cos-play apparently!

And my bias is clear with this statement - any top 20 list of all-time songs that does not feature "One" by U2 is wholly unreliable!!! LOL!

xmas74

(29,670 posts)
130. While I agree there are better Beatles songs
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 10:18 AM
Sep 2021

I Want to Hold Your Hand set everything off, not just for The Beatles but the entire British Invasion. That's why it's usually their highest on any top chart. The initial impact sets it apart.

maxsolomon

(33,244 posts)
85. Been to a wedding in the last 20 years?
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 05:01 PM
Sep 2021

Hey Ya is beloved. It gets the ladies on the dance floor.

Shake it like a polaroid pictcha!

AZSkiffyGeek

(10,972 posts)
170. Nah, but it's not as good as BOB or Ms. Jackson
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 01:18 PM
Sep 2021

It's absolutely not top 10 material, but I wouldn't argue it being included in the top 500.

llmart

(15,532 posts)
163. So is "All the Single Ladies" at most wedding receptions.
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 12:39 PM
Sep 2021

That doesn't mean it should be in the Top 10.

Mr. Evil

(2,825 posts)
86. IKR!?
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 05:18 PM
Sep 2021

That, among a few others on that list, gave me a good laugh. I could probably rattle off a few dozen songs right off the top of my head that are much more worthy than that footnote in pop history.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
39. So much Nope! 2, 3, 7, 8, 10, 14, 16, & 20 don't belong that high up at all.
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 02:39 PM
Sep 2021

Now let's fight about it. (or not).

AZSkiffyGeek

(10,972 posts)
180. I just listened to this song...
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 02:41 PM
Sep 2021

It's very good. It's not Top 20 material, but it is a very good pop song. The Swedes know how to write/produce a catchy tune.

 

Casady1

(2,133 posts)
42. I love Respect
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 03:04 PM
Sep 2021

but anyone growing up in the sixties would put "Like a Rolling stone" above it. Dylan was transformational and that was the first 6 minute song on the radio( not bohemian rhapsody which has always bored me). This song revolutionized radio and ushered in long form songs.

Brother Buzz

(36,375 posts)
44. Here's the BEST road trip songlist
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 03:11 PM
Sep 2021

In no particular order, except that, as any intelligent person knows, any decent road trip will start with ZZ Top.

1. ZZ Top, "Sharp-Dressed Man"

2. ZZ Top, "Legs"

3. Wilson Pickett, "Mustang Sally"

4. Crash Test Dummies, "Superman's Song"

5. David Essex, "Rock On"

6. Golden Earring, "Radar Love"

7. Blondie, "Heart of Glass"

8. Jefferson Airplane, "White Rabbit"

9. Jefferson Airplane, "Somebody to Love"

10. Derek and the Dominoes, "Layla"

11. Doors, "Roadhouse Blues"

12. Animals, "House of the Rising Sun"

13. Aerosmith, "Sweet Emotion"

14. Aerosmith, "Dude (Looks Like a Lady)"

15. Bruce Springsteen, "Dancing in the Dark"

16. Bruce Springsteen, "Born to Run"

17. Bruce Springsteen, "Thunder Road"

18. Police, "Every Breath You Take"

19. Tom Waits, "Heart of Saturday Night"

20. Van Halen, "Hot for Teacher"

21. Who, "Won’t Get Fooled Again"

22. Gipsy Kings, "Hotel California"

23. Tracy Chapman, "Give Me One Reason"

24. Creedence Clearwater Revival, "Down on the Corner"

25. Eagles, "Lyin' Eyes"

26. Eagles, "Life in the Fast Lane"

27. Dire Straits, "Skateaway"

28. Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, "Mary Jane's Last Dance"

29. Janis Joplin, "Me 'n Bobby McGee"

30. The Doobie Brothers, "Black Water"

31. Joan Jett and the Blackhearts, "I Love Rock 'n Roll"

22. John Mellencamp, "Jack and Diane"

33. Pink Floyd, "Another Brick in the Wall (Part 2)"

34. Pink Floyd, "Money"

35. Billy Joel, "Piano Man"

36. Eric Clapton, "After Midnight"

37. Eric Clapton, "Lay Down Sally"

38. AC/DC, "You Shook Me All Night Long"

39. AC/DC, "Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap"

40. The Hollies, "Long Cool Woman (in a Black Dress)"

41. Bob Dylan, "Like a Rolling Stone"

42. Bob Dylan, "Knockin' on Heaven’s Door"

43. Bob Dylan, "Subterranean Homesick Blues"

44. The Rolling Stones, "Satisfaction"

45. The Rolling Stones, "Brown Sugar"

46. The Rolling Stones, "Sympathy for the Devil"

47. Sex Pistols, "Anarchy in the UK"

48. Grateful Dead, "Sugar Magnolia"

49. The Pointer Sisters, "Slow Hand"

50. Eurythmics, "Sweet Dreams (Are Made of This)"

51. Elvis Presley, "Jailhouse Rock"

52. David Bowie, "Ziggy Stardust"

53. Bob Seger, "Night Moves"

54. The Everly Brothers, "Bye Bye Love"

55. Jimi Hendrix, "Purple Haze"

56. The Kinks, "Lola"

57. Jackson Browne, "Tender is the Night"

58. The Kingsmen, "Louie Louie"

59. George Thorogood and the Destroyers, "Bad to the Bone"

60. Metallica, "Turn the Page"

61. Lynryd Skynyrd, "Sweet Home Alabama"

62. Queen, "We Will Rock You"

63. The Allman Brothers Band, "Ramblin’ Man"

64. Led Zeppelin, "Rock 'n Roll"

65. Tina Turner, "What’s Love Got to Do With It"

66. Steppenwolf, "Born to Be Wild"

67. U2, "With or Without You"

68. Black Sabbath, "Paranoid"

69. Foreigner, "Blue Morning, Blue Day"

70. Billy Idol, "White Wedding"

71. Guns 'n Roses, "Sweet Child o’ Mine"

72. Guns 'n Roses, "Paradise City"

73. Guns 'n Roses, " Knockin’ on Heaven’s Door"*

74. Lou Reed, "Walk on the Wild Side"

75. Bad Company, "Feel Like Makin' Love"

76. Def Leppard, "Rock of Ages"

77. Van Morrison, "Brown Eyed Girl"

78. Mitch Ryder and the Detroit Wheels, "Devil With a Blue Dress On"

79. Aretha Franklin, "Respect"

80. John Lee Hooker and Bonnie Raitt, "I'm in the Mood"

81. James Brown, "I Got You (I Feel Good)"

82. The Righteous Brothers, "Unchained Melody"

83. Prince, "Little Red Corvette"

84. Chuck Berry, "Roll Over Beethoven"

85. The Byrds, "Mr. Tambourine Man"

86. Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young, "Ohio"

87. Buddy Holly, "Peggy Sue"

88. Jerry Lee Lewis, "Great Balls of Fire"

89. Roy Orbison, "Oh, Pretty Woman"

90. Del Shannon, "Runaway"

91. Run-DMC, "Walk This Way"

92. Otis Redding, " (Sittin' on) the Dock of the Bay"

93. Nirvana, "Smells Like Teen Spirit"

94. Paul Simon, "Still Crazy After All These Years"

95. Bo Diddley, "Who Do You Love? "

96. Brewer and Shipley, "One Toke Over the Line"

97. Ramones, "I Wanna Be Sedated"

98. The Clash, "Should I Stay or Should I Go"

99. Talking Heads, "Burning Down the House"

100. Dmitri Shostakovich, "Jazz Suite No. 2: Waltz 2"

* Yeah, yeah, I know it's on the list twice.

Note: This playlist should be edited to include the Beach Boys if you're traveling the Pacific Coast Highway. And before you complain there are no Beatles on the list I should point out every seasoned traveler already has a complete Beatles songlist ready to go

Oh, and a hat tip to Lucus Davenport for the list, and I'm still waiting for Fucking Flowers to come up with his.

sop

(10,100 posts)
46. That's a hell of a road trip list, but I'd replace the Heartbreakers "Mary Jane's Last Dance" with
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 03:57 PM
Sep 2021

"Runnin' Down a Dream." What the hell, keep both and dump something else.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
53. "any intelligent person knows any decent road trip will start with ZZ Top"
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 04:11 PM
Sep 2021

Never liked ZZ Top, so I guess I'm ignorant?

Each of us would come up with our own list, based on our own taste in music.
Doesn't make those disagreeing ignorant.

ShazzieB

(16,273 posts)
191. Totally agree.
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 04:10 PM
Sep 2021

I never cared for ZZ Top, either, or a lot of other stuff that some regard as absolutely essental.

My ideal road trip play list would be heavy on Beatles, Beach Boys, CCR, Eagles, John Denver, and who knows what else. There would be no heavy metal, rap, or disco. Does that mean I'm ignorant, or that I think people whose play lists are full of stuff I don't like are ignorant? Hell, no.

Music is a very subjective thing. We all respond to different things.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
192. I like your music
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 04:49 PM
Sep 2021

Except for the Beatles. I thought they were OK, but I was not a BIG fan.
Felt the same about Elvis.

I'd want some Fleetwood Mac.

Response to Brother Buzz (Reply #44)

Response to JustABozoOnThisBus (Reply #109)

Brother Buzz

(36,375 posts)
155. Life would be boring if things didn't change
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 12:23 PM
Sep 2021

Think of it as a work in progress.

Curious, I found my songlist from the sixties, but a lot of the songs, as spectular as they are, didn't make the road trip list. I'm thinking I need to insert a little more Creedence Clearwater Revival, and shoehorn in the Sons of Champlin.

If you remember the '60s, you really weren't there.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
48. Some I never heard of -- Some I never liked
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 04:06 PM
Sep 2021

I think each of us could come up with our own list.

I'm reminded of a recent DU thread about the 'Greatest Era !"
I think we of differing ages may have had other eras we thought were greater.

AZSkiffyGeek

(10,972 posts)
188. I'm listening through the list right now
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 03:51 PM
Sep 2021

From the top 10 I'd pull Fight the Power, Get Ur Freak On, Dreams and Hey Ya.
I'd move God Only Knows, Gimme Shelter, Waterloo Sunset and Purple Rain into the top 10.
Strange Fruit should be MUCH higher also. Maybe replace Waterloo Sunset in the Top 10.

Roy Rolling

(6,908 posts)
54. Perfect
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 04:13 PM
Sep 2021

A printed magazine popular in the 1960s takes a poll of whoever to rate songs most of them never heard.

This isn’t just a waste of time, it’s a fucking disservice to music artists who create masterpieces as works of art, not to be winners of a music poll.

Goodheart

(5,308 posts)
71. Want to know just how ridiculous it is?
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 04:38 PM
Sep 2021

Joni Mitchell's "Case of You" is listed at #26 or so.... it's a fine song, but remarkably obscure, while her best know work, "Both Sides Now", is one of the most covered songs of all time... like "Yesterday" or "Bridge Over Troubled Water".

Just what do they mean by "great", anyway? Some current staffer voted for his favorites, that's what.

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
79. Both sides now was written and first recorded by Judy Collins
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 04:50 PM
Sep 2021

But I agree the list is bogus

Free Man in Paris was a better JM choice

Celerity

(43,102 posts)
106. for New Order, I would go with Temptation
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 04:34 AM
Sep 2021
New Order: Temptation - 7" and 12" (Continuous mix)



In 1982 New Order released FAC 63, a new song called Temptation, on 7" and 12". Despite the fact that both versions claimed to be the original, they were different recordings. The rumor was that since the 7" version ended with a fade out, and the 12" version began with a fade-in, that the two songs were in fact two halves of a 14-minute long original version. I've always wanted to test this theory out, so here's the two versions of the track faded together to form the longest version of "Temptation" out there.

You'll notice that the production sound changes around the 5 minute mark as the 7" version transitions into the 12". So are they two halves of the same recording or are they just two entirely different takes?

Goodheart

(5,308 posts)
133. My favorite New Order song changes from day to day
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 10:27 AM
Sep 2021

Yesterday it was Bizarre Love Triangle, today it's Temptation, tomorrow it will probably be True Faith.

AZSkiffyGeek

(10,972 posts)
146. I like both Temptation and Bizzare Love Triangle
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 12:07 PM
Sep 2021

But "Perfect Kiss," "True Faith," and "Blue Monday" are better. Temptation and Triangle are 4 and 5 though.

themaguffin

(3,816 posts)
78. This list is "sort of" greatest songs, but more so cultural impact songs. For example...
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 04:48 PM
Sep 2021

Missy Elliott's song is certainly catchy - it was (and is) popular and the video really was something....

but its place on the list is more about her and the video.

The Beatles I want to Hold Your Hand is iconic, but more so because of their Ed Sullivan appearance.

Most people would dozens of Beatles songs above it.

Dreams is great. It was a number one hit and popular as far back as I can remember... but never thought of it as one of THE best songs ever - yeah, it's great, but top ten all time great?

That's RS curating the list for the Tiktok crowd.

maxrandb

(15,295 posts)
80. How are My Generation, Baba O'Reilly, or Won't Get Fooled Again
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 04:51 PM
Sep 2021

not in the top 20?

At least one of those from the Greatest Live Band in the effing world should be there

deurbano

(2,894 posts)
83. Having a song written by Otis Redding in the top 20 is great and all (especially that song, sung by
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 04:58 PM
Sep 2021

that artist), but surely he deserves a top 20 spot as a performer in his own right. I mean, I chose his music to play in the background as I was giving BIRTH. That's how strong my love is (for him).


lpbk2713

(42,736 posts)
88. Me and Bobby McGee
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 06:22 PM
Sep 2021


Should have been higher. Kris and Janis both had outstanding versions.
Roger Miller did good with the original.

GoodRaisin

(8,908 posts)
91. None of those make my top 20. My number 1 of all time
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 06:46 PM
Sep 2021

In Memory of Elizabeth Reed - Fillmore East Version

AZSkiffyGeek

(10,972 posts)
157. It is on the list, but lower
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 12:25 PM
Sep 2021

I think Born to Run is Springsteen's highest, then Thunder Road, Jungleland and Rosalita. There may be others, but those are the ones that stood out to me.

maxsolomon

(33,244 posts)
94. RS is trying to diversify.
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 07:07 PM
Sep 2021

It won't work: they're a Rockist Boomer magazine.

My local alt-rock station, KEXP, did the same after BLM protests. They added African-American DJs who play Hip Hop and what I call "Alt-R&B". I don't like melismatic singing, never have, but I'm a late-era Boomer ('63), so I know they're not playing music for me anyway. They want the youth to tune in.

I remember Missy guesting on Katy Perry's Superbowl show (2016), and my (now 30 year old) niece calling me up "Missy's on! No one here knows who she is except me, because you put her on a mix CD for me!" Holla!



maxsolomon

(33,244 posts)
141. Every one of us would make a different list.
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 11:16 AM
Sep 2021

There will never be consensus on something as absurd as the "500 greatest songs of all time".

De Gustibus non Disputadem.

AZSkiffyGeek

(10,972 posts)
189. Current musicians and industry figures are the ones who voted on the songs
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 03:53 PM
Sep 2021

Rolling Stone writers just compiled the list and blurbed the songs.

Response to demmiblue (Original post)

tavernier

(12,368 posts)
113. Freddie is looking down at this self important publication list
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 08:27 AM
Sep 2021

and loudly laughing. (Although Aretha was his #1 as well)

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
123. I'm kinda surprised that there's quite a few I've never heard of
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 09:31 AM
Sep 2021

I would have thought all the top 20 would be instantly recognizable.

Dirty Socialist

(3,252 posts)
125. I hate to open a can of worms, but
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 09:59 AM
Sep 2021

This list looks overly PC to me. Rap, Latino pop, and Country are not Rock And Roll.

Response to demmiblue (Original post)

SYFROYH

(34,162 posts)
135. Robyn's Dancing on my Own?1!! Not as good as the worst ABBA song.
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 10:30 AM
Sep 2021

Last edited Fri Sep 17, 2021, 11:57 AM - Edit history (1)

If the editors felt that they had to make a nod to our nordic brothers and sisters, I can't believe they chose Robyn over ABBA.



BannonsLiver

(16,294 posts)
137. Hey Ya! sucks.
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 10:36 AM
Sep 2021

It sucked in 2004 and it sucks now. Also, that Missy Elliott song sucks too. Annoyingly so. My ears are bleeding just thinking about those songs. And Robyn? What the ever loving f***?


Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Happy Hoosier

(7,216 posts)
167. He is in the top 500...
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 12:54 PM
Sep 2021

But not very high on the list. Traditional "rock and roll" took a beating in this list. I do not agree, obviously.

jalan48

(13,841 posts)
178. I was thinking they would lean toward the most influential artists. Oh well, The Best always
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 02:20 PM
Sep 2021

generates controversy and increases readership.

albacore

(2,398 posts)
164. Whaaaattt? No Nicki Menaj? A poet and wordsmith like her left off? Shame!!!
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 12:49 PM
Sep 2021

She brought us this brilliant set of lyrics, full of insight and pathos:
You a stupid hoe, you a, you a stupid hoe
You a stupid hoe, you a, you a stupid hoe
You a stupid hoe, you a, you a stupid hoe
You a stupid hoe, yeah, you a, you a stupid hoe
You a stupid hoe, you a, you a stupid hoe (you stupid, stupid)
You a stupid hoe, you a, you a stupid hoe (you stupid, stupid)
You a stupid hoe, you a, you a stupid hoe (you stupid, stupid)
You a stupid hoe, yeah, you a, you a stupid hoe (you stupid, stupid)

llmart

(15,532 posts)
168. Rolling Stone magazine came out in 1967
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 12:57 PM
Sep 2021

I think I had the first issue. It was geared towards boomers like myself. I see this list as them trying to remain relevant as my generation dies off.

leftyladyfrommo

(18,864 posts)
176. David Draiman is wonderful when he's not doing
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 02:07 PM
Sep 2021

Heavy Metal. He has an incredible voice. He is classically trained. I don't like heavy metal. It's too violent for me.

Go on YouTube and listen to this cover that he did on Conan's show. Do the live version.

At least give it a chance.

ruet

(10,037 posts)
179. Just Watched It. If I Heard it Without Knowing Anything Else About It,...
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 02:26 PM
Sep 2021

I'd say it was a competent, if not slightly insulting, cover. I say "slightly insulting" because I not a huge fan of covers. ...not because of who it is.

leftyladyfrommo

(18,864 posts)
184. At least you tried. I am kind 8f surprised
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 02:49 PM
Sep 2021

because even the classically trained musicians thought
It was wonderful. I am classically trained.

leftyladyfrommo

(18,864 posts)
187. David Draiman is an incredible person.
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 03:50 PM
Sep 2021

His grandfather was an Hasidic Jew. He was the cantor at rhe largest synagogue in Chicago. David grew up Orthodox and went to Talmudic schools and he trained to be a cantor. But of course it was a terrible fit. They are so ultra conservative and he wasn't. He is very protective of his Jewish history. I really admire him for that. He had a really difficult time.

Voice coaches are amazed by his voice. He has about a three octave range and he has perfect pitch. His voice floats right on the top of rhe notes and he never misses. And he never pushes. His control is amazing. He moves through that entire range just effortlessly. He can move from that pure simple sound to that gritty sound and back again just like it's no big deal. That is incredibly difficult to do.

The heavy metal people all know him and they were so surprised that he can actually sing like that. It's funny to hear their reactions.


LeftInTX

(25,126 posts)
183. Why is "Don't Fear the Reaper" 446, while Hall and Oates, "She's Gone" 336?
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 02:47 PM
Sep 2021

With regards to Don't Fear the Reaper: "Rolling Stone voted this the best of 1976"...,

Then I see, "She's Gone" by Hall and Oates at 336.

How did a lame annoying, flip the dial, song beat out "Don't Fear the Reaper"?

"Welcome to the Jungle" is 491 and "Stand by Your Man" is 473..WTF???

Polybius

(15,334 posts)
198. Seriously, "Hey Ya" by Outcast is 10?!?
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 02:56 PM
Sep 2021

That is absolutely insane. It's an ok song but not even top 20 of of the early 2000's. And where is Hallelujah? That's a top 3 song. And no American Pie? Putrid top 20 list.

Captain Stern

(2,199 posts)
205. Great list. I love it.
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 03:09 PM
Sep 2021

Of course, It's not the same as my list, but it's still great.

Musical taste is subjective. I appreciate seeing songs listed that I'd never listened to...and that I will now make a point of listening too.

That said...WTF?!?..no 'Happy Birthday' (most famous song ever), and where the fuck is 'Baby Shark'?, and the Beatles should have like 100 songs on this list. And how is 'Dreams' by Fleetwood Mac #9 when it isn't even the best song by Fleetwood Mac?!?



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