I think that they will land at $2 trillion, which is still bigger than most anything ever done

[themaguffin]

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It's politics. It sucks for so much to get pushed off, or not happen, but if it works out this way be glad that the Democrats at least had a much bolder number so that where we land is still ultimately bigger than anything done before.

[Johnny2X2X]

1. That's what I've said from the start

This bill was a huge list of liberal priorities, it's a bucket of $3.5T of awesome. If it ends up $2.0T, it's still a giant bucket of awesome.

[malaise]

2. Except killing foreigners in for profit wars n/t

[SharonClark]

8. Also not bigger than the wasteful Military budget.

[Irish_Dem]

3. I was wondering if Joe deliberately set a high price tag at first, knowing he would have to lower it

Would make sense.

[True Blue American]

12. Of course!

Biden has a lifetime of negotiations behind him.

Anyone who ever negotiated for a house, car, other things knows you start high, negotiate. That makes the other person think they won.

[themaguffin]

14. Unfortunately it took Dems too long to learn this lesson. I remember during the

2009 recovery bill and ACA... Dems negotiating down without even counter offers... nothing from the GOP.

[True Blue American]

15. With traitorous Joe Lieberman

Max Baucus an Grassley holding up the bill they took as much as they could get, hoping to improve on it. Unfortunately nitwits put Republicans in charge.

[WHITT]

4. So Tell Me What You Cut

Childcare?

Eldercare?

Pre K?

Expanding Medicaid to states that didn't?

Expanding Medicare to cover dental, eyeglasses, and hearing aides?

Attacking Climate Change?

On and on and on...

[unc70]

5. Cut the spending period from ten years

[themaguffin]

6. I'm not cutting anything

[UncleTomsEvilBrother]

7. Again...

...nobody will answer that. We're playing into their game by continuing to mention the price of it without focusing on what the bill delivers.

[SharonClark]

9. ...and some Dems are as guilty as GQP about this.

[mathematic]

11. The people that advocate for those things are in a better position to say what gets cut

People keep saying things like "tell me what you want to cut" but that's not how budget constraints work anywhere.

Somebody gives you a budget and then you decide how to spend it. The government doesn't tell you you can't buy steak and organic vegetables with SNAP.

You really want Manchin deciding both HOW MUCH we spend and WHAT we spend it on? No, of course not. He has said that he would vote for a $1.5T reconciliation. Why do you want to cede control of the spending priorities to Manchin too?

[WHITT]

19. I'm Afraid That's Backwards

In the private-sector, the purpose of a business is to make a profit, whereas the purpose of government is to serve.

In the private-sector, you can assign a budget and go from there, but government starts with the needs of it's citizenry, and goes from there.

[Celerity]

13. what's in the bill

$135 billion for the Committee on Agriculture Nutrition and Forestry. Funding to be used to address forest fires, reduce carbon emissions, and address drought concerns.

$332 billion for the Banking Committee. Including investments in public housing, the Housing Trust Fund, housing affordability, and equity and community land trusts.

$198 billion for the Energy and Natural Resources Committee. This would develop clean energy. (and remember, almost all environmental spend and tax credits were already gutted from the bi-partisan bill, as I have already shown)

$67 billion for the Environment and Public Works Committee. These monies would fund low-income solar and other climate-friendly technologies.

$1.8 trillion for the Finance Committee. This part of the bill is for investments in working families, the elderly, and the environment. It includes a tax cut for Americans making less than $400,000 a year, lowering the price of prescription drugs, and ensuring the wealthy and large corporations pay their fair share of taxes. (this is prime funding here, and Manchinema want mass cuts here, which blows it up)

$726 billion for the Health, Labor, Education, and Pensions Committee. This addresses universal pre-K for 3- and 4-year-olds, childcare for working families, tuition-free community college, funding for historically black colleges and universities, and an expansion of the Pell Grant for higher education.

$37 billion for the HSGAC Committee. This would electrify the federal vehicle fleet, electrify and rehab federal buildings, improve cybersecurity infrastructure, reinforce border management, invest in green-materials procurement, and invest in resilience. (agin most all was guttend from the other bill already)

$107 billion for the Judiciary Committee. These funds address establishing "lawful permanent status for qualified immigrants."

$20.5 billion for the Indian Affairs Committee. This addresses Native American health programs and facilities, education programs and facilities, housing programs, energy programs, resilience and climate programs, BIA programs and facilities, Native language programs, and the Native Civilian Climate Corps.

$25 billion for the Small Business Committee. This provides for small business access to credit, investment, and markets.

$18 billion for the Veterans Affairs Committee. This funds upgrades to veteran facilities.

$83 billion for the Commerce Committee. This goes to investments in technology, transportation, research, manufacturing, and economic development. It provides funding for coastal resiliency, healthy oceans investments, including the National Oceans and Coastal Security Fund and the National Science Foundation research and technology directorate.

[WHITT]

10. Not To Mention

As I posted in another thread, the COST is not $3.5 Trillion, the COST is $0.00, as it's PAID FOR.

[Ollie Garkie]

16. What about Sinema?

Manchin seems willing to negotiate but what about Sinema.

[themaguffin]

17. No idea, but she won't have any cover if Manchin settles