Carl Bernstein Warns: We're In A Civil War

[UCmeNdc]

Of course, Brianna Keilar responded by changing the subject to what Dems should do. The News Media Never asks what the Republicans do.

Carl Bernstein is not mincing words.

"Democracy is in peril because the Republican party has become the party of Trumpism, and the party of disenfranchisement," he told CNN's Brianna Keilar.



"What we have seen in Idaho, what we have also seen in Arizona, in these supposed recounts ordered because of supposed voter fraud, is it doesn't exist. It is part of the big lie. The big lie is not just about the lie that Donald Trump did not lose the election, a few months ago, but rather it looks toward 2024, and the idea that we are going to have another, quote, 'rigged election.'

"They're setting this up so that there can be no legitimacy in our electoral process. And the Republican party has been taken over by this movement, that is the most radical political movement of our lifetime, that has come to power in any form in Washington, in our state legislatures, but I think what we really need to acknowledge here is that we are in a civil war in this country.

"We are in a cultural civil war such as we have never seen since 1860 to 1865, and that the radicalism of the Republican party today is almost comparable to a secessionist movement in this country because of what the Republican party now advocates in a kind of Trumpism, doesn't need Donald Trump anymore, he's fanned the flames, he's ignited them and the movement and we need in journalism, in particularly in the media, to start looking at what's going on in the country outside of Washington."

"Republicans are not fixing their internal problem, right? They're leaning into it. So what should Democrats be doing that they're not doing?" Keilar asked.

"First of all, let's look at the Republicans," Bernstein replied, putting the attention where it belong



https://crooksandliars.com/2021/10/carl-bernstein-warns-were-civil-war

[BlueJac]

1. No shit Sherlock.

[Wounded Bear]

2. Repubs are in full on takeover mode, but Dems are in 'disarray' and what should they do?

[Escurumbele]

34. Yes, what should Democrats do? Fight hard, even use some of the republican strategies, inundate the

media with the horrible and true stories from republicans.

Brianna is correct asking what should Democrats do? Is anyone sincerely waiting or thinking republicans will do something to stop the madness? Come on!

[calimary]

43. It really pains, and disgusts me how the damn media is simply allowing itself

to be led around by the nose - by whatever wrong talking-point-du-jour emits from the GOP at any given moment.

[abqtommy]

52. Most of the U.S. MSM is aiding and abetting the Fascists so they're all part of

the problem. The sooner we get rid of all of them the better.

[Thomas Hurt]

3. Still won't call it fascism. It is not Trumpism, like it is some ideological riff that the Pig...

came up with. It is just fascism. The same fascism that has been coddled in the American right's psyche since the beginning of the modern era. Trump as many people have said just gave them permission to crawl out from under their rocks.

[Champp]

4. Corporate media will not tell the story

Always a few mavericks here and there, but most corporate "journalists" and "news" spokesmodels do not have the depth of soul to report the story of rising Republican fascism (with a juicy dark-ops digital quid-pro-quo boost from the Evil Empire* of Russia).

* Republican Ronald Reagan's term, which back in the day all his fellow Republicans thought was just ducky, the perfect way to describe Russia. But Repubes under their foul-mouthed Casino Hustler sold their souls altogether, and accelerated their betrayal of the USA and of American democracy.

[sop]

13. Fascism isn't only the merger of corporate and state interests; the GOP already accomplished that.

It also requires a breakdown of the rule of law and the destruction of democratic institutions. And that's what Trumpism is all about.

[abqtommy]

5. Far-right politics and religion all around the world, and "Trumpism" are terms

that all refer to Fascism. Every day that we allow these groups to exist we are in peril.

[wryter2000]

7. You're right

It's not just here.

[Escurumbele]

39. That is the scariest part, IT IS ALL OVER THE WORLD.

Anyone who has been paying attention to what has been going on in places like Venezuela would find similarities in the behaviour of republicans and the Chavista movement, they are imitating most of what was done in that and other countries with similar results.

Democrats do need to take measure to curtail what is happening in the USA, this is real, anyone who thinks "It Can't Happen Here" is very wrong because IT CAN! And as I said before, Brianna is correct, we cannot expect republicans to do anything, they are the ones creating the chaos, it is all on Democrats to fight back, and fight hard by passing laws that will stop republicans in their tracks.

I will give just one characteristic of the Chavistas, see the similarities with republicans:

Chavistas:
do not plan, they plot,
they don't negotiate, they extort,
they don't invest in the country, they rob,
they don't govern, they divide,
they are not transparent, they lie

And I could go one, so tell me, what in that list does not apply to republicans?

[DENVERPOPS]

47. BRAVO..........Perfect

With out exception..........
Anything that comes out of a Republican's mouth is:

Hypocritical

A Lie

180 degrees from the Truth or Reality.............

[calimary]

48. Interesting. I had not heard of the Chavista movement.

Sure seems to describe what we have, going on in this country now. We should hang that messaging around their necks like an “I’m in detention” sign.

[Escurumbele]

54. The Chavista movement is called as such because Hugo Chavez, I guess it should be with a "z"

as in "Chavizta". Not sure, to tell you the truth.

It really is not a movement, it is like here we have the "MAGATS", or the "TRUMPERS", it is just the people who followed Hugo Chavez and the premise of the current government that still holds a hook on the ignorant people who still believe in the "Socialist" (it really is Communist Dictatorship), movement initiated by Hugo Chavez. Some of them believe that Hugo Chavez visited Nicolas Maduro (Chavez successor) in the form of a bird, and spoke to Maduro. I kid you not...I know it is hard to believe, but it is true.

[RFCalifornia]

59. The Chavez and Maduro Administrations are very different

Not saying Chavez was kitchen clean, but there is definitely a difference

[wryter2000]

6. She honestly said that?

"The Republicans are out of their minds."
"So, what should the Democrats do?"

I guess the only answer to that is "call the guys in the white suits."

[Sur Zobra]

11. She called it an "internal problem"

for the Repukes

The understatement of the century

[wryter2000]

31. What does that even mean?

[Sur Zobra]

55. I think it's supposed

to mean that trumpism is the Repukes’ fault, but because the Repukes aren’t doing anything about Trumpass, that it is the Democrats’ mission to do something about it.

[CrackityJones75]

8. It has been being waged for longer than 4 years!

I have been saying this for a while now. We have been under constant attack for so long we do not know what it looks like anymore.

[JHB]

14. Yup. "Respectable" conservatives have been working the "illegitimate election" fields since 1960

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It doesn't matter that if Illinois had gone for Nixon, Kennedy still would have won. They've waved "Chicago cemetery" around for sixty years to push the idea that Democrats only win by corruption and cheating.

Every mutant vine strangling things now sprouted from decades' worth of conservative manure-spreading.

[CrackityJones75]

16. exactly!

[Irish_Dem]

17. Yes. We have become desensitized to the constant battle waged against us and the country.

We see it as normal.

[Act_of_Reparation]

9. "Has become"? "Has been"?

Like the GOP hasn't been THAT party for the past four fucking decades.

[gordianot]

38. I would say since at least since Harding.

They got a brief reprieve with Eisenhower but even he was not up to the job without General Marshal telling him what to do. So at least the last 100 years. Each one is worse than the last.

[Walleye]

10. And when the Republicans were in power it was still, what should the Democrats do?

[Irish_Dem]

18. Our founding fathers took huge risks, were bold and thought outside the box.

We are going to have to do the same if we wish to save our country.

[Walleye]

19. Yep. Whatever it takes. We beat the incumbent against all odds we can also retain the House

[Irish_Dem]

20. Yes I agree. Time to step up our game.

[Walleye]

21. The other side wants us to treat this like normal political games.in fact our lives are all at stake

[Irish_Dem]

22. Our lives, our democracy, the future of this country and planet.

The stakes could not be higher.

[Walleye]

23. I certainly would like to see some more urgency in our approach. I don't know what, though

[Irish_Dem]

25. Big, bold, some risk, outside the box thinking.

Absolutely needed.

But the specifics I guess will have to be left up to the great thinkers of our times.

[Walleye]

26. We have a lot of talent in our party, hoping they are working on it

[Irish_Dem]

28. Talent, brains, courage, innovation, inspiration, moral core.

We know that these traits exist in our party, yes.

I also hope they are working on it.

[Crunchy Frog]

12. As if the Republicans could be expected to try to make things better,

and that's what we should rely on.

[CrispyQ]

15. A lot of the hosts & pundits who decried Trump, will help re-elect him. Remember,

The media is only as liberal as the conservative corporations that own it.
~bumper sticker

[CaptainTruth]

24. Yes, we are, & have been for several years.

Folks need to wake up to this fact & take it seriously.

We are way past the point of being in a "debate," we're in a war to save our democracy.

[bucolic_frolic]

27. So far it's mostly an ideological/propaganda war

without significant violence like the US Civil War.

[Sherman A1]

29. Did Carl just wake up?

The Civil War never ended, it simply took other forms through the years.

[Boomerproud]

32. No he's been saying this for years. It's Brianna Keilar and

her producers that need to wake up. I had Hope's for her and glad I didn't see this exchange or I would have screamed at the tv.

[Sherman A1]

35. Oh, it's a Drama TV Thing

I find Cable Noise at best to be infotainment and at worst (which I believe is their normal) plain useless.

Best solution is to turn them off.

[NullTuples]

30. The Republican Party was not "taken over"; it actively courted this shift over decades.

[gordianot]

40. True

[Escurumbele]

33. "Brianna Keilar responded by changing"...Because Brianna knows the republicans will not do anything

If you are still waiting for republicans to do something useful, constructive, patriotic, empathic, etc... I hope you are not holding your breath.

The civil war is being caused by republicans, and they are not going to stop. Not sure why the criticism against Brianna, she knows very well republicans will continue, they created it, why would they stop if they think it is working for them?

[ShazamIam]

36. I wonder why so few of these, respected pundits, fail to mention the kochnetwork behind the division

and destruction of the U.S. Constitution and government, and seem to be cooperating with and/or welcoming the Russian influence.

One or two, but not ones featured by or on national publishers and broadcasts, mention the depth and longevity of the Kochnetwork movement that began back with the creation of the Heritage Foundation.

[Duppers]

50. Exactly! The media will not touch the Kochs.

Media is mainly controlled by the RW.

[Pepsidog]

37. We need a couple dozen Lincoln Project type groups fighting back. It's time for Dems to ignore the

rules and norms like republicans have done and start go after the 1/6 actors and accomplices and drag them out of their holes and put them in jail. Get a friendly judge to jack up or deny bail. F the rules. Arrest Trump tomorrow on the Stormy Daniels illegal payoff. Would republicans have arrested Biden or Obama if they were in in indicted co-conspirators? Go after Fox, The Federalist Society, Chamber of Congress, The NRA, the Proud Boys and charge them under RICO. Bend or break the rules if they must because if we don’t start using our power while we have to put the fear of God in these cowards we will lose our democracy. Look at the way the wealthy Republican donor Ken Lonngome (sp?) hired a private detective to follow former Gov. Spitzer and brought him down. Because if we know anything it’s that good guys finish last. Just look at SCOTUS. Let’s organize huge protests outside of Fox News and their hosts home. I will protest. Screw the rules just do something. Arrest people. Execute executive orders fining Fox and Newsmax for lying, who cares if it’s legal or constitutional just do something. Load up the Build Back Better bills with huge pork for WV and Az and announce it and take it to the people of those states to put pressure on Manchin and Sinema. Or close federal facilities and stop federal projects in those states. Delay paying federal benefits to WV and Az who cares if it is legal. Biden instructs the treasury secretary to stop social security payments to people of those states. Republicans would do this and way more. Hold up federal contracts and payments to corporation who contribute to republicans. Let them go to court and then appeal when we lose. We need to start using Republican tactics to save our democracy. I’m so tired of getting walked all over by republicans. Make Kentucky citizens feel the pain of McConnell’s actions. Starve them out. Lay siege to these backward states. Dems will never win them. Be the blood sucking pagans that they accuse us of being. Like Russia did when they retreated when the Germans attacked in WWII burn it all down while they retreat it’s time to start burning down and refusing aid to obstructionist deep red states. Let’s see how long it will take for the republicans in those states to move against leaders like McConnell. If it’s a death cult they want then let’s help give them what they want. Isolate and deprive these states of everything federal and let them take it to court where we can obstruct just like they do. They want chaos let’s give it to them. Let them know that there is a price to pay for following stupid people with stupid ideas. If they go low we go lower and suck them under. Quarantine Covid states and shut down the airports and interstate travel into and out of those states.

[Escurumbele]

45. 100% correct

[Roc2020]

41. The "United States" is finished

Only question left is there an emergency or catastrophe out there that will save America. But drop the name 'United'.

[Pepsidog]

42. We need a couple dozen Lincoln Project type groups fighting back. It's time for Dems to ignore the

rules and norms like republicans have done and start go after the 1/6 actors and accomplices and drag them out of their holes and put them in jail. Get a friendly judge to jack up or deny bail. F the rules. Arrest Trump tomorrow on the Stormy Daniels illegal payoff. Would republicans have arrested Biden or Obama if they were unindicted co-conspirators? Go after Fox, The Federalist Society, Chamber of Congress, The NRA, the Proud Boys and charge them under RICO. Bend or break the rules if they must because because if we don’t start using our power while we have it to put the fear of God in these cowards we will lose our democracy. Look at the way the wealthy Republican donor Ken Lonngome (sp?) hired a private detective to follow former Gov. Spitzer and brought him down. Because if we know anything it’s that good guys finish last. Just look at SCOTUS. Let’s organize huge protests outside of Fox News and their hosts home. I will protest. Screw the rules just do something. Arrest people. Execute executive orders fining Fox and Newsmax for lying, who cares if it’s legal or constitutional just do something. Load up the Build Back Better bills with huge pork for WV and Az and announce it and take it to the people of those states to put pressure on Manchin and Sinema. Or close federal facilities and stop federal projects in those states. Delay paying federal benefits to WV and Az who cares if it is legal. Biden instructs the treasury secretary to stop social security payments to people of those states. Republicans would do this and way more. Hold up federal contracts and payments to corporations who contribute to republicans. Let them go to court and if we lose we will appeal. We need to start using Republican tactics to save our democracy. I’m so tired of getting walked all over by republicans. Make Kentucky citizens feel the pain of McConnell’s actions. Starve them out. Lay siege to these backward states. Dems will never win them. Be the blood sucking pagans that they accuse us of being. Like Russia did when they retreated when the Germans attacked in WWII burn it all down. Let’s see how long it will take for the republicans in those states to move against leaders like McConnell. If it’s a death cult they want then let’s help give them what they want. Isolate and deprive these states of everything federal and let them take it to court where we can obstruct just like they do. They want chaos let’s give it to them. Let them know that there is a price to pay for following stupid people with stupid ideas. If they go low we go lower and suck them under. Quarantine Covid states and shut down the airports and interstate travel into and out of those states. Turn their already feeble economies into dust. Let’s just take the fight to them using whatever tools we have because we might not have those tools after 2022. Let’s stop playing fair and see how they like it.

[Escurumbele]

46. And 100% correct - Part 2 - :)

[mrsadm]

44. The "radical agenda"

Bernstein says, "what is being advocated in the name of Republicanism today that is a foreign and alien ideology to this country, the which -- the likes of which no party in our history has embraced a majority or minority, one of the two parties has never embraced a radical agenda such as we are seeing now."

I'm trying to get my mind around the "radical agenda".

First - elections are won by more republicans because they decrease voter rights and gerrymander. So they are in power.

Second - all republicans do when they "govern" is stop things. Stop abortion; stop voters; stop fixing bridges; stop poor people from having food and education; stop black athletes from kneeling at football games; stop women from working by having no child care support (unlike every European country)...

How are my two major points? Oversimplified?

[Initech]

49. The Trump Party has taken over the GOP. There ain't no going back.

And I feel like it's not going to go away either.

[traitorsgalore]

51. A few red/dead/suicidal/covid/maskhole states need to secede for the U.S. to ever get better

States like Texas will attempt it by 2024 if not 2022. I hope they leave the U.S. forever. There doesn't need to be any blood shed or a civil war, just let them go and never let them back into the U.S. again. The GOPukes don't believe in anything related to democracy, they're fascists, anarchists and nihilists.

[Xoan]

53. The quiet part ...

and we're losing.

[RFCalifornia]

58. Depends on which LEOs

And even Blue Cities like LA and NYC are not to be trusted when it comes to their LE

[RFCalifornia]

61. No, I am not -- trust me, I have my legal arms

But I am also in California, where it is a bit safer than say, SLC, UT

[RFCalifornia]

64. He's in his 70s, had a cocaine addiction and never lived a healthy day in his life

2-5 years from now, the grim reaper will claim him

Stroke or heart attack

[RFCalifornia]

66. Our government did not kill the Kennedys

Read Bugliosi's book

Trump is standing because he hasn't died yet

That will happen -- nature always wins

[RFCalifornia]

68. Just read his book "Reclaiming History: The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy"

I was a skeptic at first, but when he goes over every minute with references

And I suggest the online version since you can click on those references

it makes total sense

I've also been to Dealey Plaza and the museum

I am not a sniper, but that route really looked like there was plenty of time for an USMC sniper to make that shot

The book repository had a lot of black employees, and their accounts were discounted because -- get this -- they were black

There are conspiracies but as people say "A secret is best kept between three people when two of them are dead"

We know who killed Hoffa now

We know who killed Patrice Lumbumba now

Why? Because someone will say something

That's human nature

[RFCalifornia]

70. Just read Bugliosi's book

He goes through everything

[RFCalifornia]

72. Cheers to you

I assume you and I want the same things

But let's put the Kennedy shit behind us

That was years ago

Right now, the Military Industrial Complex has been given a body blow

See: Afghanistan

[RFCalifornia]

57. Well, we are. A "cold" civil war but one nonetheless

Who knows if it will boil over into a full scale one, but comparisons to the UK during "The Troubles" and Syria today aren't so off base

[colsohlibgal]

74. Pretty Much So

It’s a decided minority but they’re nuts and have the guns.

I blame Reagan for setting all this in motion.