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The Tomb of the Unknown Soldier was guarded by an all-woman team for the first time ever (Original Post) LetMyPeopleVote Oct 2021 OP
Wonderful! MLAA Oct 2021 #1
There won't be any more unknowns added. James48 Oct 2021 #2
There isn't even one from Vietnam. He was identified in 1998. Angleae Oct 2021 #7
That's awesome! TFRD Oct 2021 #3
Cool Demovictory9 Oct 2021 #4
K&R! Rhiannon12866 Oct 2021 #5
I agree. brer cat Oct 2021 #14
I hope there will be a picture... 3catwoman3 Oct 2021 #6
There is. James48 Oct 2021 #8
They are very androgynous... 3catwoman3 Oct 2021 #9
Wtaf WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #10
I'm sure they appreciate your critique of their appearance Withywindle Oct 2021 #11
Good lord obamanut2012 Oct 2021 #12
I have to admit that I didn't know, either Rhiannon12866 Oct 2021 #15
I'm relieved to know I am not alone in this and... 3catwoman3 Oct 2021 #16
I thought it was an old photo, too Rhiannon12866 Oct 2021 #17
. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #18
The guards are melm00se Oct 2021 #21
The officer on the left... druidity33 Oct 2021 #13
The service member on the left in an NCO, not an officer. Aristus Oct 2021 #19
you know... druidity33 Oct 2021 #23
Generally speaking (excuse the expression), 'officer" means the holder of a commission Aristus Oct 2021 #24
These distinctions mean nothing... druidity33 Oct 2021 #25
To people in the military, there is a distinction. Aristus Oct 2021 #26
Is this an example of druidity33 Oct 2021 #29
Maybe my eyes are going, but I only see two medals in the top row: ... JustABozoOnThisBus Oct 2021 #27
On the contrary, the Guards at the Tomb of the Unknowns Aristus Oct 2021 #28
I think the badge above her medal rack is the combat service badge and not the CIB. TomSlick Oct 2021 #31
She is a Sergeant First Class. Kid Berwyn Oct 2021 #20
The Bronze Star can be awarded for either valor or meritorious service in a combat zone. TomSlick Oct 2021 #32
SFCs melm00se Oct 2021 #22
It's about time MustLoveBeagles Oct 2021 #30

James48

(4,424 posts)
2. There won't be any more unknowns added.
Sun Oct 3, 2021, 11:35 PM
Oct 2021

Since the military began collecting DNA samples of every enlistee in the 1990’s, if there is now a remain, it will be able to be identified. That’s why there isn’t an unknown from Iraq or Afghanistan, or any other battle since Vietnam.

Rhiannon12866

(204,494 posts)
5. K&R!
Sun Oct 3, 2021, 11:54 PM
Oct 2021

I've witnessed the changing of the guard at the Tomb of the Unknown and it's very solemn and moving. And it's long past time that our female service members were allowed to participate.

brer cat

(24,502 posts)
14. I agree.
Mon Oct 4, 2021, 08:04 AM
Oct 2021

I have witnessed it also, and it always brought tears. The gender of the guards should not be an issue.

3catwoman3

(23,931 posts)
16. I'm relieved to know I am not alone in this and...
Mon Oct 4, 2021, 09:10 AM
Oct 2021

…appreciate you being willing to say so here. I truly thought it was an old picture from the all male days.

My observation was not intended critically, and I attempted to word it as neutrally as possible, but, of course, some did not see it that way.

Rhiannon12866

(204,494 posts)
17. I thought it was an old photo, too
Mon Oct 4, 2021, 09:14 AM
Oct 2021

And like I said, I've been there and seen them. But I have to say it's long past time that female service members got the honor of participating. It's been far too long.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,300 posts)
18. .
Mon Oct 4, 2021, 09:15 AM
Oct 2021
My observation was not intended critically, and I attempted to word it as neutrally as possible, but, of course, some did not see it that way.


It feels a little weird to say "it doesn't matter" about a photo with a news article touting the first all-female team, but whatever you think about how they look truly does not matter and is something better kept to yourself.

melm00se

(4,984 posts)
21. The guards are
Mon Oct 4, 2021, 10:05 AM
Oct 2021

meant to look like, well, guards.

IIRC, there are very specific physical requirements (height, weight, inseam length and the like) so of course they are going to look like every other 3rd US Infantry Regiment guard.

druidity33

(6,444 posts)
13. The officer on the left...
Mon Oct 4, 2021, 06:06 AM
Oct 2021

really has a shitload of medals. Nonee of which i can identify, but it looks like a lot.



Aristus

(66,250 posts)
19. The service member on the left in an NCO, not an officer.
Mon Oct 4, 2021, 09:18 AM
Oct 2021

She's a Sergeant First Class.

Her top row of medals include, from left to right, the Army Commendation Medal, the National Defense Service Medal, and the Meritorious Service Medal.

druidity33

(6,444 posts)
23. you know...
Mon Oct 4, 2021, 04:45 PM
Oct 2021

when i looked up NCO it says it stands for Non Commissioned Officer. So i'm not sure i understand you... unless you mean she's a "Numerically Controlled Oscillator" or a "National Cyber Olympiad".



Aristus

(66,250 posts)
24. Generally speaking (excuse the expression), 'officer" means the holder of a commission
Mon Oct 4, 2021, 04:59 PM
Oct 2021

in a country's armed forces, and is empowered with command, and the issuing of direct orders.

A Non-Commissioned Officer, especially in the United States Armed Forces, is a lower-level leader, squad, platoon, and company, in charge of training, day-to-day discipline and morale. An NCO will tell you emphatically that he or she is not an 'officer', meaning a commissioned officer, and will often follow that by saying "I work for a living!", implying, somewhat unjustly, that an officer's commission is a prestige position and carries with it very little responsibility. The U.S. Army NCO Corps proudly boasts its non-commissioned status, and thinks of themselves as the backbone of the professional armed forces.

I earned the (admittedly low-level) rank of Sergeant when I was in the Army. Nowhere near being a commissioned officer.

The Guards at the Tomb of the Unknowns at Arlington are all entirely non-commissioned officers. Only the Sergeant of the Guard wears rank insignia, however. The actual Guards walking the post at the Tomb never wear rank insignia, so as not to outrank the honored dead.



druidity33

(6,444 posts)
25. These distinctions mean nothing...
Mon Oct 4, 2021, 05:09 PM
Oct 2021

to non-military people. If you were wanting to distinguish between the two, maybe you should have said she's a non-commissioned officer and told me the difference? Because to be honest, to me, if it's in your title, that's what you are. And NCO clearly has officer in the acronym. I work in a grocery store. The Maintenance Manager is a manager as much as the Store Manager is. It's just that one reports to the other.

Aristus

(66,250 posts)
26. To people in the military, there is a distinction.
Mon Oct 4, 2021, 05:14 PM
Oct 2021

And that distinction is what I was referring to from the beginning...

druidity33

(6,444 posts)
29. Is this an example of
Mon Oct 4, 2021, 07:56 PM
Oct 2021

Military Intelligence? Because Calling someone an Officer and then saying "But they're not an officer!" is just plain stupid if you ask me. How many people in this country have served or would know the distinction you refer to? My guess is less than 10%. Why did you choose to correct me when, like i said, it is a meaningless distinction unless you're in the military? I guess it's nice to learn something new though, so thanks for that...





JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,314 posts)
27. Maybe my eyes are going, but I only see two medals in the top row: ...
Mon Oct 4, 2021, 06:13 PM
Oct 2021

... they look like a Bronze Star and a Meritorious Service Medal. And they're sitting under what looks like a Combat Infantryman Badge.

I'm guessing she has earned the honor of guarding the Tomb of the Unknowns, and recognizes what an honor and solemn duty it is. I'm also guessing she is counting the days until she can get back into a unit that's more mud and dust and less spit-shine and creases. I don't think I met anyone who truly enjoys guard duty.

Aristus

(66,250 posts)
28. On the contrary, the Guards at the Tomb of the Unknowns
Mon Oct 4, 2021, 06:23 PM
Oct 2021

take immense pride in their duty, and do not consider it a distraction from combat training. In fact, all Guards must maintain full combat duty qualification while serving their tours as Guards.

In fact, a soldier’s status as a Guard at the Tomb of the Unknowns can be rescinded, not only after their tours at the Tomb, but also after they have returned to civilian life, if their personal conduct in any way brings dishonor to the Guard Corps.

TomSlick

(11,082 posts)
31. I think the badge above her medal rack is the combat service badge and not the CIB.
Mon Oct 4, 2021, 09:12 PM
Oct 2021

The SFC is a combat veteran and has earned the honor of being a tomb guard.

TomSlick

(11,082 posts)
32. The Bronze Star can be awarded for either valor or meritorious service in a combat zone.
Mon Oct 4, 2021, 09:19 PM
Oct 2021

If the award is for valor, it has a "V" device on the ribbon. I can't tell if the SFC's Bronze Star has a "V" device. Either way, she also has the Combat Action Badge, so she's seen combat.

melm00se

(4,984 posts)
22. SFCs
Mon Oct 4, 2021, 10:07 AM
Oct 2021

have been in for a minimum of 15 years (a friend of mine just retired as one after 26 years) so many of them have been there and done that.

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