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Bannon claims to have 20,000 "shock troops" ready to take over the country (Original Post) jmbar2 Oct 2021 OP
When the Fascists tell us they are coming for us, we should listen. bluewater Oct 2021 #1
Virtual social media-driven 'cyber Pompey' effect. 20K is the tip of the sphere vanguard, they stomp Celerity Oct 2021 #42
Well, won't they be in for a shock . . . Journeyman Oct 2021 #2
That's not even a hockey crowd Walleye Oct 2021 #3
Why isn't the homeland security paying a visit to him? kimbutgar Oct 2021 #4
Probably because 20k poses little to no threat and may not be real. Kaleva Oct 2021 #38
Well, we saw thousands in Charlottesville & at the Capitol. n/t Justice matters. Oct 2021 #41
We saw about 800 attack the Capitol. Kaleva Oct 2021 #50
Brazen Sedition. Happy Hoosier Oct 2021 #5
yeah... Takket Oct 2021 #7
Yup... The First Amendment does not cover... Happy Hoosier Oct 2021 #10
Bannon didn't threaten to violently overthrow the government StarfishSaver Oct 2021 #30
I dunno, Starfish EndlessWire Oct 2021 #32
It is beyond ambiguous StarfishSaver Oct 2021 #33
If I can't talk freely here EndlessWire Oct 2021 #35
Who said you "can't talk freely here"? Not I. StarfishSaver Oct 2021 #36
Post removed Post removed Oct 2021 #37
What an oddly incongruent and antagonistic comment. StarfishSaver Oct 2021 #48
sooooo... is anyone going to look into this 20000 person fighting force now? Takket Oct 2021 #6
DOJ will get right on it, as soon as they finish letting all the Jan 6th terrorists go. lagomorph777 Oct 2021 #20
Bannon claims many things. brooklynite Oct 2021 #8
The only way that anyone will shut that man up is if we start the rumor that he's Baitball Blogger Oct 2021 #9
Grover Norquist was accused iof being a Muslim agent DBoon Oct 2021 #17
He thinks 20,000 fat, lazy rednecks can overthrow the country? louis-t Oct 2021 #11
They came awfully damn close with a few hundred. They doc03 Oct 2021 #16
Chairman Milley would never have let a take over happen! PortTack Oct 2021 #18
Chairman Miley cannot do anything on US soil. He's also not in the chain of command. Calista241 Oct 2021 #22
No, they did not come close at all. MineralMan Oct 2021 #19
What would have happened if they had succeeded in doc03 Oct 2021 #23
But they didn't. MineralMan Oct 2021 #29
Like I said, they come damn close. I think if not for the cop that shot that women they would have doc03 Oct 2021 #45
20,000 vigilantes vs. America. spanone Oct 2021 #12
Unfortunately, 19,900 of them can't talk their moms into letting them borrow the car. Gidney N Cloyd Oct 2021 #13
This MF should be in prison budkin Oct 2021 #14
20K is roughly the size of Ashland, OH alphafemale Oct 2021 #15
I Don't Believe Him ProfessorGAC Oct 2021 #21
Arrest the Republican traitor Champp Oct 2021 #24
i think bannon is dangerous. IcyPeas Oct 2021 #25
Me too! jmbar2 Oct 2021 #26
Me too berniesandersmittens Oct 2021 #27
Oh, look: it's Steve's newest fraud struggle4progress Oct 2021 #28
For those that can't translate Bannonese... he's talking about Federal Employees WarGamer Oct 2021 #31
That's not enough to even Mr.Bill Oct 2021 #34
20,000? vercetti2021 Oct 2021 #39
We did see some at the Capitol, through the selfies they generously Hortensis Oct 2021 #40
huh? he's crazy Demovictory9 Oct 2021 #43
Oh, they're gonna be shocked alrite... Ligyron Oct 2021 #44
Republicans have Orcs? DFW Oct 2021 #46
Their mom's basement Takket Oct 2021 #47
The 1/6 treason monkeys lost interest in their operation once one of their Wingus Dingus Oct 2021 #49

Celerity

(43,281 posts)
42. Virtual social media-driven 'cyber Pompey' effect. 20K is the tip of the sphere vanguard, they stomp
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 04:28 AM
Oct 2021

their feet virtually once the 'go' plan is started, and legions of reflexively controlled QMAGATS spring from the ground. Social media is a massive potential force multiplier.

The top planners and their tip of the sphere vanguard will have strategic targets picked out ages in advance, targets they deem necessary for with regional or national operational control at certain multivariate levels.

In this type of scenario you are hoping for multiple, geographically dispersed spontaneous combustion events of violence to occur, increasing your forces dramatically, until you hit the '100th monkey' inflection point and shit goes boogaloo bonkers nationwide.

IF Bannon is actually doing this, I doubt 2OK is an accurate number. He would never pre-show all his hand.

More than likely he is talking shit.

kimbutgar

(21,111 posts)
4. Why isn't the homeland security paying a visit to him?
Mon Oct 4, 2021, 12:14 PM
Oct 2021

This is inciting a group to overthrow our government. Why isn’t this treasonous?

Kaleva

(36,294 posts)
38. Probably because 20k poses little to no threat and may not be real.
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 03:04 AM
Oct 2021

If that's all they can muster, they have no chance.

And Bannon is a well known fibber. Just because he says something doesn't mean it's true. Does this group of 20k actually exist?

Takket

(21,552 posts)
7. yeah...
Mon Oct 4, 2021, 12:18 PM
Oct 2021

i'm sure even as board as the first amendment is, that it doesn't cover you raising an army to overthrow the government.

and just a reminder Bannon was indicated for wire fraud and would like be in prison now if drumpf had not pardoned him for that.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
30. Bannon didn't threaten to violently overthrow the government
Mon Oct 4, 2021, 06:55 PM
Oct 2021

He's speaking in code, but to constitute an illegal threat, the language has to be unambiguous, targeted and specific. Bannon is smart enough to couch his language in ambiguous, non-specific terms.

EndlessWire

(6,495 posts)
32. I dunno, Starfish
Mon Oct 4, 2021, 08:45 PM
Oct 2021

how ambiguous it is when pretty much everyone heard it for what he meant.

I wonder where he got these troops from. People always talk like it's a done deal, but real war is ugly, it hurts, and if you are not a trained troop, you won't stay the course. Look what happened in Afghanistan, how quickly those trained troops quit. I don't think he would get a solid block of hardened, gun-wielding "shock" troops like he implies he will conjure up.

I think it would be fun to have him arrested for this threat, and let him hire some second-rate attorney to get himself free. No Trump to pardon him. I want to see the laminated "get out of jail free" card he carries in his wallet.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
33. It is beyond ambiguous
Mon Oct 4, 2021, 09:06 PM
Oct 2021

Any attempt to charge him with a crime based on that comment we get thrown out of court immediately.

And we don't aren't people "for fun" and then see what happens.

Following the rule of law - even when we don't like the results - is one of the things that makes us not Republicans.

EndlessWire

(6,495 posts)
35. If I can't talk freely here
Mon Oct 4, 2021, 09:43 PM
Oct 2021

there's no point to it. If you don't accept non lawyerese comments, then you can go ahead and judge my comment anyway you want. Jeesh, I don't care what you think of me!

Maybe you'll like this; it's a little more pure. I'd like to see the bastard arrested for the clear, unambiguous threat he made to overthrow the US government. I'd love to see who he gets to represent him, and I wouldn't mind discussing it right here on DU. It would be a pleasure, and something of a win for We The People. Either we are some kind of Democracy battling evil fascists, or we are just pretending.

This guy was sitting on the NSC. Who the hell is he but Trump's lackey? He's not some high schooler playing a game. I'd like to test your theory that his clear, unambiguous threat is not what it is. After all, he's the one who said it. He said he has 20,000 "shock" troops ready to take over the country as soon as a Republican president is in place. The guy's a loony toon, but he's skirting the edge. It's only your opinion that he hasn't crossed over the line. I'm sure there were thousands of Germans who thought the same thing, but look what they got.

"Shock troops:

Shock troops or assault troops are formations created to lead an attack. They are often better trained and equipped than other infantry, and expected to take heavy casualties even in successful operations. "Shock troop" is a calque, a loose translation of the German word Stoßtrupp. Wikipedia"

This is an interesting choice of words for him. And, he counts on our rule of law, and the situation where the legitimate military cannot come to our aid. So, yeah, I'd like to test his situation in a court of law, really I would. So, he has organized an army, has he? He should probably say he was just kidding.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
36. Who said you "can't talk freely here"? Not I.
Mon Oct 4, 2021, 09:48 PM
Oct 2021

But talking freely doesn't include being immune from disagreement or explanation.

However, since that seems to bother you, I won't waste any more of my time trying to explain to you why you will never see the result you want in this instance.

Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #36)

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
48. What an oddly incongruent and antagonistic comment.
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 08:40 AM
Oct 2021

Not to mention off-base in its carrying on about my supposed "habit of talking down to" you, since I don't have a habit of talking to you at all.

Other than the two responses to posts you directed to me in this thread (the first of which you initiated by inserting yourself into an exchange I was having with someone else), I don't believe I've addressed you in months, if ever.

Could it be you have me confused with someone else? Or did you just get your wires crossed?

Takket

(21,552 posts)
6. sooooo... is anyone going to look into this 20000 person fighting force now?
Mon Oct 4, 2021, 12:17 PM
Oct 2021

or are they going to wait until after they finish the job the failed on Jan 6th?

because if it is after... it will be too late.

Baitball Blogger

(46,698 posts)
9. The only way that anyone will shut that man up is if we start the rumor that he's
Mon Oct 4, 2021, 12:21 PM
Oct 2021

a secret Muslim with recessive African genes.

Jesus. This is outrageous! Anyone else get the impression that the law enforcement agencies are too trained to do nothing with the old white guys talk treason?

louis-t

(23,288 posts)
11. He thinks 20,000 fat, lazy rednecks can overthrow the country?
Mon Oct 4, 2021, 12:25 PM
Oct 2021

The only thing that would be 'shocking' is if they could get their shoes on the right feet and not shoot themselves in the leg.

doc03

(35,324 posts)
16. They came awfully damn close with a few hundred. They
Mon Oct 4, 2021, 12:42 PM
Oct 2021

couldn't defeat the military but a president can put people in place to shut it down. Trump had the military stand down January 6th until he saw his coup was failing.

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
19. No, they did not come close at all.
Mon Oct 4, 2021, 01:26 PM
Oct 2021

An unarmed rabble cannot overthrow the United States. All they did was slow one Congressional action down for a few hours. That's it.

doc03

(35,324 posts)
23. What would have happened if they had succeeded in
Mon Oct 4, 2021, 03:33 PM
Oct 2021

hanging Pence and held Congress hostage? What do you think Trump would have done?

doc03

(35,324 posts)
45. Like I said, they come damn close. I think if not for the cop that shot that women they would have
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 07:48 AM
Oct 2021

succeeded in their goal. Trump sat back for 3 hours and watched until he saw it was going to fail. What if Trump
would have fired General Milley and replaced him with a Mike Flynn type. If he gets in the Whitehouse again I am sure he
will replace everyone with one of his cult.

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
15. 20K is roughly the size of Ashland, OH
Mon Oct 4, 2021, 12:37 PM
Oct 2021

And how many of his troops can climb two flights of stairs without getting winded?

ProfessorGAC

(64,988 posts)
21. I Don't Believe Him
Mon Oct 4, 2021, 01:57 PM
Oct 2021

Why? Because it's Bannon. Lying is one of his two distinguishing characteristics. The other is being boozed up.

jmbar2

(4,871 posts)
26. Me too!
Mon Oct 4, 2021, 04:42 PM
Oct 2021

He is very smart and sociopathic. He has studied and applied the best of the disinformation tactics, and has a radical religious tendency. Wants to be a dictator, or at least a guru.

Wingus Dingus

(8,052 posts)
49. The 1/6 treason monkeys lost interest in their operation once one of their
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 10:31 AM
Oct 2021

loon army was shot and killed. Not super worried.

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