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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,922 posts)
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 08:08 PM Oct 2021

Democrats explore new options to raise debt ceiling amid deepening standoff with GOP

Democratic senators are scrambling to find a way to avert a potential debt default as soon as next week amid a high-stakes standoff with Republicans -- and are privately discussing whether it's possible to change Senate rules so the borrowing limit can be raised by a simple majority vote, according to multiple sources at closed-door sessions.

One of the fiercest opponents to changing the filibuster rules, West Virginia Sen. Joe Manchin, insisted on Tuesday that Congress wouldn't let the country default, though it's still highly uncertain if he and 49 other Democrats would vote to change the rules even temporarily.

Senate Democrats are also discussing whether the White House can use administrative procedures to avoid default, an issue that could be the subject of a court fight if President Joe Biden were to greenlight that procedure.

At a caucus lunch on Tuesday, Democrats discussed an array of options on how to proceed next given that Republicans are planning to filibuster the debt ceiling hike on Wednesday. That will deny Democrats the 60 votes needed to proceed toward a final up-or-down vote in the evenly divided Senate.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/democrats-explore-new-options-to-raise-debt-ceiling-amid-deepening-standoff-with-gop/ar-AAPaCTF

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onecaliberal

(32,826 posts)
1. Tell me again how these fuckers are not going to refuse to count the slate
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 08:14 PM
Oct 2021

Of legal electors and steal the election and destroy democracy at the same time.
If they are willing to do this, what won’t they do?
The democratic lawmakers need to act now.

GoCubsGo

(32,080 posts)
2. I don't understand why they don't just invoke the 14th Amendment.
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 08:19 PM
Oct 2021

Section 4: The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.

Invoke it, and pay the damn bills. The debt ceiling isn't in the Constitution, and they need to stop with this bullshit.

Justice matters.

(6,925 posts)
4. Agreed, but we've been told that elected Dems (and Depts. Secs.) don't read DU. n/t
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 10:48 PM
Oct 2021
Maybe they answer phone calls or/and listen to their constituents.

PortTack

(32,755 posts)
3. So is this a good thing? Allowing the gqp to rule how the debt ceiling is raised, then use it as a
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 08:41 PM
Oct 2021

Bludgeon against us in the midterms. You know they’re gonna say the Dems are spending your money. Despite the debt ceiling needs raising because THEY spent like drunken sailors?

Justice matters.

(6,925 posts)
5. Hopefully, Democratic candidates will counter-attack with what you said here.
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 10:52 PM
Oct 2021
And explain the truth to voters, but I'm not holding my breath, though.
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