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Dial H For Hero

(2,971 posts)
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 12:55 AM Oct 2021

Scientific American opinion piece: Star Wars & the Jedi are problematic, racist, sexist, and ableist

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-the-term-jedi-is-problematic-for-describing-programs-that-promote-justice-equity-diversity-and-inclusion/



The article starts out by discussing the use of the acronym JEDI (justice, equity, diversity and inclusion) as it pertains to programs promoting social justice, but the bulk of it is an attack on Star Wars, Disney and fandom.. Some quotes:

The Jedi are inappropriate mascots for social justice. Although they’re ostensibly heroes within the Star Wars universe, the Jedi are inappropriate symbols for justice work. They are a religious order of intergalactic police-monks, prone to (white) saviorism and toxically masculine approaches to conflict resolution (violent duels with phallic lightsabers, gaslighting by means of “Jedi mind tricks,” etc.). The Jedi are also an exclusionary cult, membership to which is partly predicated on the possession of heightened psychic and physical abilities (or “Force-sensitivity”). Strikingly, Force-wielding talents are narratively explained in Star Wars not merely in spiritual terms but also in ableist and eugenic ones: These supernatural powers are naturalized as biological, hereditary attributes. So it is that Force potential is framed as a dynastic property of noble bloodlines (for example, the Skywalker dynasty), and Force disparities are rendered innate physical properties, measurable via “midi-chlorian” counts (not unlike a “Force genetics” test) and augmentable via human(oid) engineering. The heroic Jedi are thus emblems for a host of dangerously reactionary values and assumptions. Sending the message that justice work is akin to cosplay is bad enough; dressing up our initiatives in the symbolic garb of the Jedi is worse.

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Star Wars has a problematic cultural legacy. The space opera franchise has been critiqued for trafficking in injustices such as sexism, racism and ableism. Think, for example, of the so-called “Slave Leia” costume, infamous for stripping down and chaining up the movie series’ first leading woman as part of an Orientalist subplot. Star Wars arguably conflates “alienness” with “nonwhiteness,” often seeming to rely on racist stereotypes when depicting nonhuman species. The series regularly defaults onto ableist tropes, memorably in its portrayal of Darth Vader, which links the villain’s physical disability with machinic inhumanity and moral deviance, presenting his technology-assisted breathing as a sinister auditory marker of danger and doom. What’s more, the bodies and voices centered in Star Wars have, with few exceptions, historically been those of white men. And while recent films have increased gender and racial diversity, important questions remain regarding how meaningfully such changes represent a departure from the series’ problematic past. Indeed, a notable segment of the Star Wars fandom has aggressively advocated the (re)centering of white men in the franchise, with some equating recent casting decisions with “white genocide.” Additionally, the franchise’s cultural footprint can be tracked in the saga of United States military-industrial investment and expansion, from debates around Reagan’s “Star Wars” Strategic Defense Initiative to the planned Joint Enterprise Defense Infrastructure (another “JEDI” program), sometimes winkingly framed with Star Wars allusions. Taken together, the controversies surrounding Star Wars make JEDI at best an inappropriate way to brand justice work—a kind of double-edged sword (or better yet, double-bladed “lightsaber”). At worst, this way of branding our initiatives is freighted with the very violence that our justice work seeks to counter.

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JEDI connects justice initiatives to corporate capital. JEDI/Jedi is more than just a name: It’s a product. Circulating that product’s name can promote and benefit the corporation that owns it, even if we do not mean to do so. We are, in effect, providing that corporation—Disney—with a form of free advertising, commodifying and cheapening our justice work in the process. Such informal co-branding entangles our initiatives in Disney’s morally messy past and present. It may also serve to rebrand and whitewash Disney by linking one of its signature product lines to social justice. After all, Disney has a long and troubling history of circulating racist, sexist, heterosexist and Orientalist narratives and imagery, which the corporation and its subsidiaries (like Pixar) are publicly reckoning with. Furthermore, Disney is an overtly political entity, critiqued not only for its labor practices but also for its political donations and lobbying. Joining forces with Disney’s multimedia empire is thus a dangerous co-branding strategy for justice advocates and activists. This form of inadvertent woke-washing extracts ethical currency from so-called “JEDI” work, robbing from its moral reserves to further enrich corporate capital.
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Aligning justice work with Star Wars risks threatening inclusion and sense of belonging. While an overarching goal of JEDI initiatives is to promote inclusion, the term JEDI might make people feel excluded. Star Wars is popular but divisive. Identifying our initiatives with it may nudge them closer to the realm of fandom, manufacturing in-groups and out-groups. Those unfamiliar or uncomfortable with Star Wars­­—including those hurt by the messages it sends—may feel alienated by the parade of jokes, puns and references surrounding the term JEDI. Consider, as one example, its gender exclusionary potential. Studies suggest that the presence of Star Wars and Star Trek memorabilia (such as posters) in computer science classrooms can reinforce masculinist stereotypes about computer science—contributing to women’s sense that they don’t belong in that field. Relatedly, research indicates that even for self-identified female fans of Star Wars, a sense of belonging within that fandom can be experienced as highly conditional, contingent on performances “proving” their conformity to the preexisting gendered norms of dominant fan culture. At a moment when many professional sectors, including higher education, are seeking to eliminate barriers to inclusion—and to change the narrative about who counts as a scientist, political scientist, STEMM professional or historian—adopting the term JEDI seems like an ironic move backward.

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Scientific American opinion piece: Star Wars & the Jedi are problematic, racist, sexist, and ableist (Original Post) Dial H For Hero Oct 2021 OP
I just fucking can't anymore. CrackityJones75 Oct 2021 #1
Lighten up, Francis n/t Silent3 Oct 2021 #2
LOL, right? LymphocyteLover Oct 2021 #41
Adopt this claptrap as the core philosophy of our platform & the Rethugs will be pushing 67 Senators Celerity Oct 2021 #3
Perfect example of Poe's law. NYC Liberal Oct 2021 #6
exactly! LymphocyteLover Oct 2021 #42
Yep Dorian Gray Oct 2021 #22
Agree. Elessar Zappa Oct 2021 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author NYC Liberal Oct 2021 #4
I thought this was the Onion. Truly sad times we live in. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2021 #5
And the writer has run out of things to write about PatSeg Oct 2021 #39
A few years ago this WOULD have been The Onion AnyFunctioningAdult Oct 2021 #7
I think this video sums up my feelings about this article. Downtown Hound Oct 2021 #8
Tracey Ullman.. whathehell Oct 2021 #20
Oh, that is brilliant, thanks for sharing! PatSeg Oct 2021 #40
LOL BannonsLiver Oct 2021 #9
*facepalm* sakabatou Oct 2021 #10
When did Scientific American become a satirical magazine? andym Oct 2021 #11
It took 5 of them to scratch this out? I suspect this was really meant... t... TreasonousBastard Oct 2021 #12
OFFS. This is why we can't have nice things. nolabear Oct 2021 #13
The buttfucking hell is this? vercetti2021 Oct 2021 #14
this is the type of thing that gives political correctness a bad name jg10003 Oct 2021 #15
Always suspected Yoda secretly hate people of color. Who weren't green. GulfCoast66 Oct 2021 #16
I'm relieved seeing the other replies in this thread Hav Oct 2021 #17
i agree catsudon Oct 2021 #18
Can someone explain Sgent Oct 2021 #19
because it's specifically about using JEDI for diversity initiatives in STEMM fishwax Oct 2021 #38
"An attack" lmaoooooo WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #21
This is literally a gift to the Dorian Gray Oct 2021 #23
This isn't a satirical piece meant to mock cancel culture? Takket Oct 2021 #24
Not only stupid d_r Oct 2021 #25
Good grief.. Patton French Oct 2021 #26
Glad to see onion writers branching out to other publications. cinematicdiversions Oct 2021 #27
"This is not the conclusion you're looking for," said Obi-Q Kenobi. nt Buns_of_Fire Oct 2021 #28
Per the article, Obi-Wan was being toxically masculine and gaslighting those poor stormtroopers Dial H For Hero Oct 2021 #30
Off the scale edbermac Oct 2021 #29
A Preposterous Stretch ProfessorGAC Oct 2021 #31
Next: Snow White and the Seven Little People. Marcuse Oct 2021 #32
Pieces like this is why the Right is proudly anti-intellectual. Coventina Oct 2021 #33
Idiotic Article Johnny2X2X Oct 2021 #34
I feel attacked... N/T Jedi Guy Oct 2021 #36
context is everything, and it isn't really an attack fishwax Oct 2021 #37
If this isn't an attack, I'd hate to see what one looks like. Dial H For Hero Oct 2021 #44
yeah, but specifically within the context of *advancing diversity and inclusion* fishwax Oct 2021 #45
Unless I'm mistaken, their article actually spends more time discussing what they perceive as the Dial H For Hero Oct 2021 #54
you are mistaken, in the sense that everything mentioned about star wars and disney is fishwax Oct 2021 #58
What's funny is that most people here on DU are reacting as I do, with an eye-roll to this article.. Silent3 Oct 2021 #43
Ah yes. And the typical responses reminding me of gamergate. ismnotwasm Oct 2021 #46
Its a franchise that has spanned 5 decades CrackityJones75 Oct 2021 #47
There were so many inaccuracies it was hard to pick a favorite. Jedi Guy Oct 2021 #48
Exactly! CrackityJones75 Oct 2021 #51
I can assure you gamergate deserved scorn and confusion. cinematicdiversions Oct 2021 #62
That "white saviorism" really bothered me with both Mace Windu and Yoda. Bucky Oct 2021 #49
Not to mention all the other non-human jedi. CrackityJones75 Oct 2021 #52
That seems to be a theme with that particular actor. Dr. Strange Oct 2021 #59
Still at it, eh? LanternWaste Oct 2021 #50
It's no so much that someone had this opinion Zeitghost Oct 2021 #53
Utter garbage The Revolution Oct 2021 #55
OMG. just no. OhioBlue Oct 2021 #56
it's a story for that era's minds, dissect Odysseus with current American human values Shellback Squid Oct 2021 #57
I don't even know where to go with this Mad_Machine76 Oct 2021 #60
LOL Ace Rothstein Oct 2021 #61

Celerity

(43,069 posts)
3. Adopt this claptrap as the core philosophy of our platform & the Rethugs will be pushing 67 Senators
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 01:07 AM
Oct 2021

and 300 House members.

The article reads like an Onion caricature of uber faux wokeness.

Response to Dial H For Hero (Original post)

 

Decoy of Fenris

(1,954 posts)
5. I thought this was the Onion. Truly sad times we live in.
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 01:11 AM
Oct 2021

This article reads like the person who wrote it never actually checked the lore of the Jedi or Star Wars as a whole. It's a damn tragedy that Scientific American has fallen so far away from journalistic integrity.

PatSeg

(47,239 posts)
39. And the writer has run out of things to write about
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 09:16 AM
Oct 2021

Creating an issue where none exists. I started to read it and it gave me a headache.

andym

(5,443 posts)
11. When did Scientific American become a satirical magazine?
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 01:46 AM
Oct 2021

The article is ridiculous ammunition for the Right's culture wars. Whats worries me is how the well-educated authors of this piece could have possibly written it and how the editors of Scientific American thought it worthy of publication.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
12. It took 5 of them to scratch this out? I suspect this was really meant... t...
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 02:06 AM
Oct 2021

for the April issue, but got lost on the way

nolabear

(41,930 posts)
13. OFFS. This is why we can't have nice things.
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 02:19 AM
Oct 2021

I won’t bother to go into it but those arguments could be used against everything from Bugs Bunny to the Kama Sutra.

vercetti2021

(10,155 posts)
14. The buttfucking hell is this?
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 02:23 AM
Oct 2021

The Jedi and rebellion were the heroes trying to overthrown tyrannical government. Shit that might be happening here soon, we are the fucking rebels and Jedi.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
16. Always suspected Yoda secretly hate people of color. Who weren't green.
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 02:31 AM
Oct 2021

I’ve read a lot of crazy bullshit on DU. This may take the case.

And it ends with a subtle attack on science majors.

Perhaps a group frustrated humanities major writing this dribble?

That a person could write this and keep a paying job is not encouraging.

Hav

(5,969 posts)
17. I'm relieved seeing the other replies in this thread
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 02:48 AM
Oct 2021

This is a typical case of believing to have recognized one fact in a movie/book and then you bend reality to make everything else fit to what you want to be true.
What a waste of resources but I'm sure the authors feel good about themselves and they must believe they figured out something really important.

Sgent

(5,857 posts)
19. Can someone explain
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 03:38 AM
Oct 2021

why this is published in SciAm? I'm a subscriber but this is so far out from their usual that it seems like the editor in chief is paying a ransom.

fishwax

(29,148 posts)
38. because it's specifically about using JEDI for diversity initiatives in STEMM
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 09:11 AM
Oct 2021

It's not cancel culture coming for our space operas or woke culture trying to ruin some fun fantasy, it's just: "hey, diversity and inclusion initiaves are important in our fields,, but maybe we shouldn't use JEDI to brand them."

Takket

(21,526 posts)
24. This isn't a satirical piece meant to mock cancel culture?
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 06:22 AM
Oct 2021

Because it sure reads like one.

One person’s silly opinion. As of told my wife many times, if you look hard enough you can find a group of people in this country that want to ban chocolate and puppy dogs. Doesn’t mean they deserve any attention.

Can’t believe scientific American would publish something that absurd. The rethugs are ripping our country to pieces and their idea of journalism and science is to go after a fantasy movie series. Not helpful.

 

cinematicdiversions

(1,969 posts)
27. Glad to see onion writers branching out to other publications.
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 07:31 AM
Oct 2021

I know this technically isn't a parody. A lot of things like this are technically not a parody. But it's effin hilarious.

 

Dial H For Hero

(2,971 posts)
30. Per the article, Obi-Wan was being toxically masculine and gaslighting those poor stormtroopers
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 08:06 AM
Oct 2021

when he used Force Suggestion on them.

ProfessorGAC

(64,827 posts)
31. A Preposterous Stretch
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 08:25 AM
Oct 2021

How did this overreaching, and over thought nonsense end up in Scientific American?
Was it a slow month for science?
The thing is full of "bad thing, even though there are good things". And, bringing up the Leia costume while neglected that she kills Jabba without a weapon & becomes a leading general in the rebellion is cherry-picking. She's a strong character from the very beginning. Geez, she's involved in a rebellion in the first movie!
I feel sorry for the author who seems incapable of suspending disbelief & just enjoying a story, rather than go through torturous stretches to find faults existing only in their mind.
Too clever by 3/4ths.

fishwax

(29,148 posts)
37. context is everything, and it isn't really an attack
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 09:06 AM
Oct 2021

The argument of the article is not that star wars or Disney are bad, but that the JEDI allusion is not a productive label for justice/diversity committees or initiatives within STEMM, and the movement for advancing such values as justice, equity, diversity, and inclusion might be better served by using a different acronym.

Big fucking deal. Nobody's saying you(/we) can't enjoy your(/our) star wars.

 

Dial H For Hero

(2,971 posts)
44. If this isn't an attack, I'd hate to see what one looks like.
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 02:01 PM
Oct 2021

The argument of the article is not that star wars or Disney are bad


They describe the Jedi as prone to (white) saviorism, toxically masculine, using "phallic" lisghtsabers, ablest, practicing eugenics, and dangerously reactionary,.

Star Wars itself is said to be problematic, sexist, racist, ablest, and at least in small part responsible for US military-industrial expansion.

Disney is described as racist, sexist, heterosexist, Orientalist, and then mentioned as having troubling labor practices, political donations, and lobbying.

Regardless of the validity (or not) of any of the above, describing this as an attack is certainly fair.

Nobody's saying you(/we) can't enjoy your(/our) star wars.


I agree, no such assertion was made. And....?

fishwax

(29,148 posts)
45. yeah, but specifically within the context of *advancing diversity and inclusion*
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 04:25 PM
Oct 2021

It's a critique, sure, but specifically within that context. Within that context, I don't really see the observation that Disney "has a long and troubling history of circulating racist, sexist, heterosexist and Orientalist narratives and imagery" as an attack. (Nor is it the same simply describing Disney as racist, etc.)


Nobody's saying you(/we) can't enjoy your(/our) star wars.


I agree, no such assertion was made. And....?


If that was the point of the article, then I'd buy it as an attack.
 

Dial H For Hero

(2,971 posts)
54. Unless I'm mistaken, their article actually spends more time discussing what they perceive as the
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 08:43 PM
Oct 2021

faults of the Star Wars universe, its characters, its fans, and Disney than they do the JEDI diversity program itself. The article begins and ends discussing the program, granted...but after reading the entire article, I now know more a obout why these people don't like Star Wars, Disney, and fandom (Star Trek is mentioned negatively in passing as well) than I do the JEDI program.

fishwax

(29,148 posts)
58. you are mistaken, in the sense that everything mentioned about star wars and disney is
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 09:57 PM
Oct 2021

specifically with respect to whether JEDI is an apt label for initiatives and committees promoting diversity. They don't talk about "the JEDI diversity program itself" because it isn't a specific program in question ... rather, JEDI has become an increasingly common label at various schools, companies, and organizations for such diversity initiatives.

The whole point of the article is that the authors don't think this is a good label for such programs, and everything that they say about star wars and disney is specifically with respect to that question/claim. (They say at the end that at least some of the authors are fans. And of course there isn't anything inherently inconsistent with (a) suggesting that Disney has produced some pretty problematic stuff over the years and (b) still finding interest/enjoyment/quality in disney/pixar movies.

The point is not "star wars sucks because of these things and we don't enjoy it and people shouldn't enjoy it," but rather "because of these things a star wars reference may not be the most appropriate frame for this specific purpose."

For the purpose of analogy, one might, for instance, really like the music of Led Zeppelin, and yet still argue that, because of Jimmy Page's history with underage girls and recurring potentially misogynistic themes (viewing women consistently/exclusively as sex objects) in their lyrics, a Led Zeppelin song wouldn't be a good choice as a theme song for a women's empowerment seminar.

Silent3

(15,140 posts)
43. What's funny is that most people here on DU are reacting as I do, with an eye-roll to this article..
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 09:49 AM
Oct 2021

...but on other occasions, when someone has tried to make the point that someone can be too woke, they were largely met with fierce opposition claiming that even saying "too woke" was to be guilty of repeating right-wing talking points, and/or met with claims that "woke" was unalloyed goodness, so that it was impossible to be too woke.

For those who may have resisted any such criticism in the past, from the likes of James Carville and even Barack Obama, I offer you Exhibit A in how it's possible to be way, way too woke, and end up hurting the cause of the kind of righteous wokeness we really need.

ismnotwasm

(41,956 posts)
46. Ah yes. And the typical responses reminding me of gamergate.
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 04:30 PM
Oct 2021

This isn’t the first time this observation has made.

 

CrackityJones75

(2,403 posts)
47. Its a franchise that has spanned 5 decades
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 04:40 PM
Oct 2021

Its a franchise that has spanned 5 decades. Of course you are bound to find some things wrong in there (think Phantom Menace). But holy hell does this piece make some amazing stretches and gets a lot of things flat out wrong.

Jedi Guy

(3,175 posts)
48. There were so many inaccuracies it was hard to pick a favorite.
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 05:51 PM
Oct 2021

Were I forced to make a choice, the accusation that Vader is ableist would be it, though. The whole point wasn't that he was evil because he was more machine than man. He was more machine than man because he turned evil. He wasn't born that way, he ended up in the armor because he went rogue and was wildly overconfident in his power. Had he remained a Jedi, he'd have kept his original equipment (excepting the forearm he lost in Episode 2, of course).

It's like the writer(s) had only the vaguest idea about a lot of things in Star Wars. It calls to mind a writer from some conservative rag who wrote an article about Mass Effect when it first came out. He accused it of essentially being a sex simulator because of the romantic subplot... despite the fact that only bare ass was shown, and that for maybe two seconds during a single scene. The article made it very plain that he'd never even seen the game, let alone played it.

 

CrackityJones75

(2,403 posts)
51. Exactly!
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 07:35 PM
Oct 2021

That was the part that really threw me. Like it was just lazy writing a d they had no idea what the story was about at all.

 

cinematicdiversions

(1,969 posts)
62. I can assure you gamergate deserved scorn and confusion.
Mon Oct 11, 2021, 05:54 AM
Oct 2021

This article deserves an eye roll and a loud not helping.

Dr. Strange

(25,915 posts)
59. That seems to be a theme with that particular actor.
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 10:20 PM
Oct 2021

The actor that played Mace Windu? He's in multiple videos throwing around the n-word. As in, the hard-r version.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
50. Still at it, eh?
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 06:43 PM
Oct 2021

I get it... sometimes it's fun to pretend one opinion is worth looking at in our desire to force a narrative. As long as you realize it does no one any real credit.

Zeitghost

(3,844 posts)
53. It's no so much that someone had this opinion
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 07:47 PM
Oct 2021

It's that this article passed editorial review at a major, well established science magazine. The lengths the author had to go to in order to twist, misrepresent and outright lie about the Star Wars franchise in order to form their opinion is embarrassing, especially in a publication that has featured the writings of some of the most brilliant minds of the last 150 years.

The Revolution

(764 posts)
55. Utter garbage
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 09:28 PM
Oct 2021

Why would you publish this nonsense? Started off thinking it was satire, then gave up on it part way through.

This won't accomplish anything but piss people off. Then we on the Democratic/Progressive side get saddled with this shit and it drives voters away. Fuck, just reading that I can feel my own "chance of voting for a Republican" needle moving from 0% to 1%.

Mad_Machine76

(24,391 posts)
60. I don't even know where to go with this
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 10:44 PM
Oct 2021

I can’t even read much of this without my eyes rolling out of their sockets.

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