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https://www.thedailybeast.com/brandon-fellows-decides-to-represent-himself-in-court-accidentally-admits-to-two-new-felonies?ref=homeCapitol Rioter Decides to Represent Himself in Court, Accidentally Admits to Two New Felonies
BADLY MISJUDGED
Jamie Ross
News Correspondent
Published Oct. 13, 2021 6:14AM ET
Reuters/Stephanie Keith
malaise
(268,942 posts)CRIMES!
That is all
hatrack
(59,584 posts)Though you're not wrong!
Sorry, "he".
I'm saying it for her
Champp
(2,114 posts)they violently attacked America and American democracy.
Croney
(4,657 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)witless witness
Jerry2144
(2,099 posts)Much like losing both arms and your legs is just a scratch.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)cab67
(2,992 posts)C Moon
(12,212 posts)monkeyman1
(5,109 posts)Scrivener7
(50,949 posts)RVN VET71
(2,690 posts)And sadly agreed with.
jaxexpat
(6,818 posts)Where's the humanity?
UCmeNdc
(9,600 posts)liberalla
(9,238 posts). .
sheesh...
Ohioboy
(3,240 posts)Maybe we could convince them that this kind of thing "owns the libs".
Stuart G
(38,419 posts)KS Toronado
(17,200 posts)"Stupid is as stupid does"
UpInArms
(51,281 posts)You are charged with a federal felony, McFadden said. This is not a community college where you get pats on the back.
Youve admitted to incredible lapses of judgment here on the stand, not least of which was seeking to disqualify a New York state judge, the judge continued. Youve admitted to obstruction of justice in that case, and youve admitted to what was probably obstruction in this case in trying to have me disqualified, and only Ms. Halversons advice stopped you from doing so. Youve engaged in a pattern of behaviors that shows contempt for the criminal justice system, and I just have no confidence that you will follow my orders if I release you.
McFadden then denied Fellows request to reopen his detention status and ordered him back into the custody of the D.C. Jail.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Should've hired a lawyer.
hibbing
(10,096 posts)Jon King
(1,910 posts)Absolutely convinced they know more about infectious disease than Dr. Fauci and more about the law than a lawyer. Its always our very dumbest that are convinced they are brilliant.
mucifer
(23,531 posts)away with a lot of crimes.
Studies show if the judge is of the same race or culture of the defendant they don't serve as much time in prison.
WHITT
(2,868 posts)and tells you:
You should take heed.
oldsoftie
(12,531 posts)knightmaar
(748 posts)Napolean or Sun Tzu or somebody.
I guess the judge had to interrupt him, legally speaking, but I'd be interrupting him in a way where he totally wouldn't listen to me.
NJCher
(35,658 posts)Then I'd say, "Please proceed, Governor." I would then put my hand over my mouth to hide my smirk.
ck4829
(35,061 posts)A 26-year-old New York man accused of entering the U.S. Capitol Building on January 6 has decided to represent himself after spending two weeks in the D.C. Jails law library, he told a judge Tuesday morning.
https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/national/capitol-riots/after-two-weeks-in-jail-law-library-maverick-capitol-riot-defendant-brandon-fellows-wants-to-represent-himself-orange-beard-pro-se-merkley/65-370ca35f-a669-4f74-8505-85fd2ba32393
niyad
(113,263 posts)feels free to give out "legal" advice to customers, and on her fb page. What bothers me is that there are people willing to listen to this barely-literate high school dropout. (This is qbert country however, so perhaps not surprising.)
NJCher
(35,658 posts)someone should report this to the administrative division of the courts for whatever state she is in.
niyad
(113,263 posts)rpannier
(24,329 posts)Thought maybe he was a graduate of the Univ of Google
Pinback
(12,154 posts)nuxvomica
(12,422 posts)Local guy, from Niskayuna, who is seriously stupid.
Effete Snob
(8,387 posts)Fellows also noted that had been abused as a child, has Aspergers syndrome and ADHD and is a slow learner.
At least Democrats have gotten over their pre-Reagan-era fixation on things like community mental health services. Instead, we let these things fester and result in undesirable consequences, which then provides a reason to go after them while feeling morally superior about it.
We're on a glide path back to dressing them funny in public and throwing things at them.
He may be clinically stupid, but we had to quit using terms like "idiot" and "moron" in the clinical sense. We quit sterilizing them too.
mucifer
(23,531 posts)Probably not gonna happen.
I'm evil
2Gingersnaps
(1,000 posts)Couldn't possibly be that he's an idiot. I'm guessing blank "does not compute" stare, then squirrelling conspiracy suspicion.
Effete Snob
(8,387 posts)He mentioned his previous mental health diagnoses in the hearing, which is also noted in the article.
From Wikipedia:
In 19th- and early 20th-century medicine and psychology, an "idiot" was a person with a very profound intellectual disability. In the early 1900s, Dr. Henry H. Goddard proposed a classification system for intellectual disability based on the Binet-Simon concept of mental age. Individuals with the lowest mental age level (less than three years) were identified as idiots; imbeciles had a mental age of three to seven years, and morons had a mental age of seven to ten years.
According to Mr. Fellows, he has ADHD, Asperger's, and was classified as a "slow learner". He's probably much higher functioning than a person who would have previously been classified as an "idiot" or what would have been characterized a few years ago as:
In the obsolete medical classification (ICD-9, 1977), these people were said to have "profound mental retardation" or "profound mental subnormality" with IQ under 20.
He skipped his court-ordered mental health evaluation, but seems to be able to list the various things he's been called by people who have examined him or attempted to educate him.
cab67
(2,992 posts)rpannier
(24,329 posts)tanyev
(42,552 posts)He would have had plenty of marks, I mean students.
cab67
(2,992 posts)He would have to find someone talented enough to draw the parrot next to the coupon, but not talented enough to know any such medical or law school would be an obvious scam. That's a narrow range of people indeed.
jmowreader
(50,555 posts)In the 1970s the mail-order art school had you draw a horse so MAD Magazine did a two-pager where every artist on staff drew the horse in his own style.
reACTIONary
(5,770 posts)Google /"MAD Magazine" horse drawing/
It comes up at the top of the image search.
SouthernDem4ever
(6,617 posts)sarge43
(28,941 posts)Stuart G
(38,419 posts)Even with the....." best of help" ...."Stupid can NOT BE CURED"
Effete Snob
(8,387 posts)Given that fact, what should we do about stupid people in general.
Obviously, there are going to be a relatively fixed percentage of the population which is not very smart, and may have organic brain disorders or other issues, like the ones with which Mr. Fellows has been previously diagnosed.
If we can't "cure" people like Fellows (who listed his diagnoses), what should we do with them?
NJCher
(35,658 posts)and from your post upthread, I am guessing we as a society have dropped the ball on providing mental health resources.
However, it says he missed a mental health appointment so something was being ordered for him. This may have been in conjunction with the court appearances?
By not doing something for such people, we are allowing them to fall into the arms of hucksters like trump who will use them up and then dump them in prison,then the province of public responsibility.
Effete Snob
(8,387 posts)That is often done in cases, like this one, where a party seeks to represent themselves, because it would be a reversible error if a court were to allow a mentally incompetent person to do so.
But we - as a society in general and as nominal "liberals" in particular - no longer give a shit whether someone involved in the criminal justice system or captured doing something outrageous on social media is mentally ill. We just don't. We are back to the medieval practice of just making fun of them in public or expressing moral outrage at them. It's easy, fun to do, and makes us feel superior and good about ourselves.
By not doing something for such people, we are allowing them to fall into the arms of hucksters like trump who will use them up and then dump them in prison,then the province of public responsibility.
Bingo, but we don't give a shit. There's tons of material on social media, this site included, which are more or less "Hey, let's make fun of the re***d!" popular on playgrounds past, and more or less aligned with the childhood years of what seem to be the general age range on sites like this.
We've even revived the classic terminology:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Village_idiot
The village idiot was long considered an acceptable social role, a unique individual who was dependent yet contributed to the social fabric of his community. As early as Byzantine times, the "village idiot" was treated as an acceptable form of disabled individual compatible with then-prevailing normative conceptions of social order.
The internet enables all sorts of what would have been marginal populations of isolated deviants to form "communities" of like-ill-minded people, and they are as you say ripe for the picking.
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Effete Snob
(8,387 posts)That's is why it is much more satisfying to make them objects of public scorn and ridicule in the first place.
I wasn't asking anyone to be sympathetic to them.
People of marginal or low intelligence are readily roped into these sorts of dangerous things, which is why it is important not to let them get inflated opinions of themselves in the first place.
Time honored traditional practices of dealing with them worked for a reason.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)packman
(16,296 posts)Better to shut your mouth and let people think you are a fool than open it and confirm you are
Stuart G
(38,419 posts).....depends on how you interpret those words and that idea.....Evidently both said the idea..in different sentences..
notinkansas
(1,096 posts)Will be interesting to see how that goes.
C Moon
(12,212 posts)SCantiGOP
(13,869 posts)The first time he represented a client in Court, they were standing before the judge going through routine questions.
The judge asked if he had ever been convicted of a felony, to which he replied, No Sir, this will be my first.
When the judge asked how he intended to plead, his attorney said, Well, now I guess we better plead Guilty.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,998 posts)The idiot criminal's name is Brandon Fellows.
tulipsandroses
(5,123 posts)He spent the 2 weeks he was in jail at the jail law library. Proof that research doesnt make you an expert
Permanut
(5,602 posts)Rabrrrrrr
(58,347 posts)and viral science and everything else just because he's read some of the Constitution once and listens to FOX News and OAN and "Rush told me so".
babylonsister
(171,056 posts)right. He must have done his reesurch.
Patton French
(754 posts)A man (in this case insurrectionist) who is his own lawyer has a fool for a client.
Tommy Carcetti
(43,174 posts)Vinca
(50,267 posts)Moebym
(989 posts)Is that defendants should never represent themselves in court. It never ends well.
malthaussen
(17,187 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,132 posts)I have enough problems representing myself as my own DIY auto mechanic.
TomSlick
(11,097 posts)They're playing my game on my court - so to speak. They don't know the rules or how things proceed. They almost always say things that they should not and don't say what they should.
The only downside is that judges often bend-over backwards to protect the pro se party, sometimes essentially becoming their lawyer.