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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsShe was dead on about TFG.
Hillary Clinton @HillaryClinton 3hI fear Democrats still aren't taking this threat sufficiently seriously.
Link to tweet
"How the GOP Will Try To Subvert Our Elections"
Read the latest by Marc Elias: https://www.democracydocket.com/news/how-the-gop-will-try-to-subvert-our-elections/
msongs
(67,193 posts)Maraya1969
(22,441 posts)I worry about the 2022 election and the House and Senate. Who knows what bullshit they are preparing to perpetrate
triron
(21,914 posts)Groundhawg
(517 posts)Green Line
(1,123 posts)Walleye
(30,699 posts)liberalla
(9,165 posts)(as in trump)
Mr. Evil
(2,746 posts)it's so we don't have to actually use his name. Which is the best way to refer to the orange slobfather.
Leith
(7,802 posts)"That Fucking Goon"
dhol82
(9,351 posts)Leith
(7,802 posts)I tried using "git" but that seemed too humorous a la Monty Python.
Groundhawg
(517 posts)Ocelot II
(115,267 posts)2Gingersnaps
(1,000 posts)I am pretty sure that is how a LOT of us read it! The troll just won't go away.
Rebl2
(13,301 posts)I read it for the longest time🙂
PortTack
(32,606 posts)Students and the younger ppl are taking it seriously they want change and pay attention. The average person that votes maybe every 4 yrs, uninformed not so much
JHB
(37,128 posts)On the other hand, the shout is "This has been true since you were still First Lady of Arkansas!"
But trying to tell people this always got you dismissed as "shrill" and "far left" and "conspiracy theorizing".
The other side has a Divine Right complex. We are in their way and they are determined to squash us by any means at hand.
2Gingersnaps
(1,000 posts)That the Kochs have been financing since FDR? Richard Mellon Scaife financed the Clinton investigations? Billionaires and the Federalist Society trying their best to bring autocracy? And she wasn't wrong about that basket of deplorables either. So I am with you, "Sing it sister!" Ever amazed the stuff they were willing to believe of her with NO evidence, she answered the subpoena. She did her eleven hours and didn't need a mulligan for perjury, as opposed the stuff TFG did in plain site.
JHB
(37,128 posts)I also remember that it was taken a little too Clinton-specifically. Nobody with any clout in the Democratic party, even the Clintons, understood that it wasn't about specific people, it was about obstacles to a goal. In 2008 we had people still sweeping the whole matter under the rug as "well, the Clintons were polarizing figures" instead of recognizing that they were constantly attacked because they stood in the way of the overarching Movement Conservative goal of wiping away the New Deal or any other earlier restraint on the power of wealth by Teddy Roosevelt or anyone else.
They wanted the Gilded Age and Robber Barons back. That was their Golden Age, the Way Things Ought To Be, in their eyes. And to get the power to get what they wanted, they were fine with feeding the deplorable hellbeast that would give them the numbers to do it.
I don't like to be a downer (hell, I'm the TOONs guy), but while I'm glad to hear people who will be listened to say it, I am so goddamn frustrated that so many very smart people have been so late to recognize what was right under their noses for a generation and a half.
Missn-Hitch
(1,383 posts)liberalla
(9,165 posts)She's also right on in her belief that Democrats do not appreciate the severity of the threat to our democracy.
Bookmarking for Marc Elias piece.
triron
(21,914 posts)iluvtennis
(19,756 posts)Solly Mack
(90,740 posts)Hassin Bin Sober
(26,272 posts)The Atlantic did and piece on the subject and people here ridiculed it as the sky is falling
Loyola Law School wrote a paper in 2019 on the subject. I posted the paper here and was accused of being a disgruntled Berniebro.
Loyolas paper was written with Elizabeth Warren as the placeholder/assumed candidate.
I still maintain that winning Arizona and Georgia headed of the nightmare scenario. Had the election gone down to Pennsylvania only the prize may have been too tempting for the Pennsylvania Republican leadership to pass up. Instead the Pennsylvania GOP house leadership pretended to play above the fray easy enough to do because going out on that limb wouldnt have tipped the election.
Preparing for a Disputed Presidential Election: An Exercise in Election Risk Assessment and Management
INTRODUCTION
It is Election Night 2020. This time it is all eyes on Pennsylvania, as whoever wins the Keystone State will win an Electoral College majority. Trump is ahead in the state by 20,000 votes, and he is tweeting The race is over. Another four years to keep Making America Great Again.
The Associated Press (AP) and the networks have not yet declared Trump winner. Although 20,000 is a sizable lead, they have learned in recent years that numbers can shift before final, official certification of election results. They are afraid of calling the election for Trump, only to find themselves needing to retract the callas they embarrassingly did twenty years earlier, in 2000. Trumps Democratic opponent, _________ (fill in the blank with whichever candidate you prefer; I will pick Elizabeth Warren since at the moment she is the front-runner according to prediction markets),1 is not conceding, claiming the race still too close to call. Both candidates end the night without going in front of the cameras.
In the morning, new numbers show Trumps lead starting to slip, and by noon it is below 20,000. Impatient, Trump holds an impromptu press conference and announces:
INTRODUCTION
It is Election Night 2020. This time it is all eyes on Pennsylvania, as whoever wins the Keystone State will win an Electoral College majority. Trump is ahead in the state by 20,000 votes, and he is tweeting The race is over. Another four years to keep Making America Great Again.
The Associated Press (AP) and the networks have not yet declared Trump winner. Although 20,000 is a sizable lead, they have learned in recent years that numbers can shift before final, official certification of election results. They are afraid of calling the election for Trump, only to find themselves needing to retract the callas they embarrassingly did twenty years earlier, in 2000. Trumps Democratic opponent, _________ (fill in the blank with whichever candidate you prefer; I will pick Elizabeth Warren since at the moment she is the front-runner according to prediction markets),1 is not conceding, claiming the race still too close to call. Both candidates end the night without going in front of the cameras.
In the morning, new numbers show Trumps lead starting to slip, and by noon it is below 20,000. Impatient, Trump holds an impromptu press conference and announces:
Evolve Dammit
(16,632 posts)BobTheSubgenius
(11,535 posts)None.
Martin Eden
(12,802 posts)It spells out how Republicans plan to subvert election results at the state and local level.