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Wed Oct 13, 2021, 10:40 PM

This woman didn't get a liver transplant because she refused to get vaccinated.


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Reply This woman didn't get a liver transplant because she refused to get vaccinated. (Original post)
Mosby Oct 13 OP
Ms. Toad Oct 13 #1
GoCubsGo Oct 13 #6
Ms. Toad Oct 13 #8
GoCubsGo Oct 14 #19
Baitball Blogger Oct 13 #2
Mosby Oct 13 #3
obamanut2012 Oct 14 #21
skylucy Oct 13 #4
canetoad Oct 13 #5
Bettie Oct 13 #7
marble falls Oct 13 #9
lame54 Oct 13 #12
marble falls Oct 14 #22
struggle4progress Oct 13 #10
struggle4progress Oct 13 #11
struggle4progress Oct 13 #13
bluecollar2 Oct 14 #14
struggle4progress Oct 14 #15
struggle4progress Oct 14 #16
LetMyPeopleVote Oct 14 #17
krispos42 Oct 14 #18
obamanut2012 Oct 14 #20

Response to Mosby (Original post)

Wed Oct 13, 2021, 10:54 PM

1. Good for the Cleveland Clinic.

As to the recipent - medical compliance is a big deal post-transplant. If you're going to claim religious exemptions for the vaccine, what's next - religious exemptions to the anti-rejection medications you will have to take the rest of your life?

As to the donor - this is major surgery that harms a healthy person No medical facility takes that lightly. There are numerous layers of screening (and restrictions) before you are allowed to be a living donor. it is major surgery that is harder on the donor than on the recipient - and the donor will be in the hospital for a number of days. It makes no sense at all to accept a donor who is at increased risk for COVID for a multi-day stay, weaken the body by removing half of her liver which, for at least a short time makes them more susceptible to the ravages of COVID. Not to mention that the liver is one of the targets of COVID.

I should add that my sarcoma surgery at the Cleveland Clinic was one of a handful of times I had been in a room unmasked with people who were not members of my household. They removed it for surgery and I awoke, unmasked in recovery. So in addition to the damage the surgery does, there is also the potential for signficant exposure during surgery and immediatly after (especially in a hospital in an area with a high concentration of COVID cases.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #1)

Wed Oct 13, 2021, 11:44 PM

6. Anyone know what religion says that an organ transplant is fine, but not a vaccine?

I mean, other than the Church of the Braindead MAGA?

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Response to GoCubsGo (Reply #6)

Wed Oct 13, 2021, 11:48 PM

8. They are probably basing it on the use of fetal stem cell line (fetal cell line HEK 293)

used in research & development of the vaccine.

There are no stem cells used in receivng a liver transplant (aside from potentially similar involvement in R&D, production, or testing of anti-rejection medication).

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #8)

Thu Oct 14, 2021, 08:09 AM

19. That makes sense. Thanks.

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Response to Mosby (Original post)

Wed Oct 13, 2021, 10:58 PM

2. We're in a pandemic. Hospitals have the right to triage.

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #2)

Wed Oct 13, 2021, 11:20 PM

3. According to some info in the replies

Transplants always require certain vaccinations prior, they just added covid to the list.

These antivaxxers are crazy.

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Response to Mosby (Reply #3)

Thu Oct 14, 2021, 08:17 AM

21. Exactly

Certain vaccines, certain lifestyle choices (ie smoking, drinking, etc.) can also nix a transplant.

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Response to Mosby (Original post)

Wed Oct 13, 2021, 11:23 PM

4. Oh well.

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Response to Mosby (Original post)

Wed Oct 13, 2021, 11:34 PM

5. Can you even imagine how their minds work?

A chance to prolong life vs. loyalty to Q, TFG and the fringiest of the fringe nut cases and CTs.

Are they conflicted by this or is it a slam-dunk? No vaxx no-how. There are a lot of 'don't care' responses to this woman's decision.

I do care. I care about misinformation, about critical thinking skills being eroded. I care about people being subject to manipulative behaviour and influences that are harmful to their very beings. Maybe I care too much.

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Response to Mosby (Original post)

Wed Oct 13, 2021, 11:45 PM

7. Well, I guess that she made her choices

and received the consequences of those choices.

No sympathy, she chose this.

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Response to Mosby (Original post)

Wed Oct 13, 2021, 11:50 PM

9. Liver transplant surgeries are a piece of cake and hearing about side effects makes the Vax scary.

... chumps.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #9)

Wed Oct 13, 2021, 11:57 PM

12. What do you dr's know...

Now cut me open and install a liver

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Response to lame54 (Reply #12)

Thu Oct 14, 2021, 08:55 AM

22. ... hold the onions and make it snappy, I gotta MAGA rally t'go to, dammit! Whar's Marcus Welby?

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Response to Mosby (Original post)

Wed Oct 13, 2021, 11:54 PM

10. "The health and safety of our patients is our top priority ... For the living donor,

preventing COVID-19 infection around the time of a surgical operation is crucial. For the transplant candidate, in addition to a major operation, medications taken after an organ transplant weaken a person’s immune response"

https://wgntv.com/news/coronavirus/cleveland-clinic-denies-woman-liver-transplant-over-covid-19-vaccine-refusal/

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Response to Mosby (Original post)

Wed Oct 13, 2021, 11:56 PM

11. Major hospital systems requiring vaccinations for organ transplants

Oct. 12, 2021, 4:17 PM EDT
By Antonio Planas

The Cleveland Clinic and University Hospitals, two of the largest health care systems in Ohio, are requiring Covid-19 vaccinations for solid organ transplants ...

Officials with University Hospitals said in a statement on Friday they were guided by medical studies pointing to the serious risks organ recipients face if they contract coronavirus ...

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/major-hospital-systems-ohio-requiring-covid-vaccinations-organ-transplants-n1281363

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Response to Mosby (Original post)

Wed Oct 13, 2021, 11:59 PM

13. CO hospital says people who want transplants must get vaccine

October 7, 20212:10 PM ET
BILL CHAPPELL

A large hospital system in Colorado says people on its organ transplant wait list won't be offered an organ if they refuse to get the COVID-19 vaccine, citing the "significant risk the virus poses to transplant recipients."

UCHealth, which operates 12 hospitals from its headquarters in Aurora, Colo., says it has long been standard practice to require many organ recipients or donors to get vaccines such as hepatitis B or the MMR shot.

The hospital system added COVID-19 to its vaccine list a few weeks ago ...

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/10/07/1044034382/colorado-hospital-organ-transplant-covid-vaccine

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Response to Mosby (Original post)

Thu Oct 14, 2021, 12:00 AM

14. Hasta la vista pendejos...n/t

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Response to Mosby (Original post)

Thu Oct 14, 2021, 12:03 AM

15. MI health system weighs making transplants contingent on vaccination

Karen Bouffard
The Detroit News (TNS)
Oct 9, 2021 Comments

DETROIT ... Michigan Medicine, the University of Michigan's health system, is considering making COVID-19 vaccination a requirement for organ transplantation, spokeswoman Mary Masson said Friday ...

https://tylerpaper.com/ap/national/health-system-weighs-making-organ-transplants-contingent-on-covid-19-vaccination/article_eaeabe23-5c4a-5304-947b-d82d00a8b209.html

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Response to Mosby (Original post)

Thu Oct 14, 2021, 12:07 AM

16. Third shot seems a game changer for renal transplant recipients

By ROSSELLA TERCATIN
SEPTEMBER 26, 2021 20:24

After two shots of the coronavirus vaccines, only a minority of renal transplant recipients – some 35% – developed neutralizing antibodies, new research conducted at the Sheba Medical has shown ...

The paper was published in the journal Transplantation, while the physicians are already working on a follow-up study considering the immune response after the booster, with possibly 86% developing antibodies ...

“Renal transplants are a high-risk population for COVID-19 infection and complications, including prolonged hospitalizations and mortality,” she noted. “At the same time, these individuals don’t respond well to vaccines. With the coronavirus epidemic, therefore, it was important for us to explore the response to the vaccine.”

Patients who undergo renal transplants are prescribed immunosuppressive drugs after the surgery for the remainder of their lives, to prevent their immune system from rejecting the organ they received. This same mechanism interferes with the immune system's ability to deal with illness or to create antibodies from vaccinations ...

https://www.jpost.com/health-and-wellness/3rd-covid-vaccine-seems-to-be-gamechanger-for-renal-transplant-recipients-680360

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Response to Mosby (Original post)

Thu Oct 14, 2021, 12:53 AM

17. This policy seems to be fairly common and makes sense

I have no issue with this rule



– A Colorado woman with stage 5 renal failure was months away from getting a new kidney. Now, she and her donor are looking for another hospital after learning UCHealth’s new policy.

According to UCHealth, the majority of transplant recipients and living donors are now required to be vaccinated against COVID-19. Neither woman has received their shots.

“It’s your choice on what treatment you have. In Leilani’s case, the choice has been taken from her. Her life has now been held hostage because of this mandate,” said Fougner.

Fougner says she hasn’t received the vaccine for religious reasons. Lutali hasn’t gotten the shot because she says there are too many unknowns. Until last week, neither woman thought they needed to be vaccinated for the transplant.

“At the end of August, they confirmed that there was no COVID shot needed at that time,” said Lutali. “Fast forward to Sept. 28. That’s when I found out. Jamie learned they have this policy around the COVID shot for both for the donor and the recipient.”

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Response to Mosby (Original post)

Thu Oct 14, 2021, 02:13 AM

18. She would probably take ivermectin instead of anti-rejection drugs

After all, who knows what's in anti-rejection drugs? I heard that Jeff Bezos has microwave-relay chips in the anti-rejection drugs that secretly tap into the Starlink data stream so he can track my armpit bacterial load, and also that they alter my DNA and make me a gay homosexual with Parkinson's disease and a club foot and they block out the word of God so I become an atheist!





And because we live in the worst possible timeline, I expect the above paragraph to be stated, earnestly, in public, and on camera, by a Q-idiot before Christmas.

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Response to Mosby (Original post)

Thu Oct 14, 2021, 08:16 AM

20. Good -- you have to adhere to certain requirements to get a transplant

Including all vaccines recommended by your surgeon. Smokers cannot get a lung transplant, either.

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