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This woman didn't get a liver transplant because she refused to get vaccinated. (Original Post) Mosby Oct 2021 OP
Good for the Cleveland Clinic. Ms. Toad Oct 2021 #1
Anyone know what religion says that an organ transplant is fine, but not a vaccine? GoCubsGo Oct 2021 #6
They are probably basing it on the use of fetal stem cell line (fetal cell line HEK 293) Ms. Toad Oct 2021 #8
That makes sense. Thanks. GoCubsGo Oct 2021 #19
We're in a pandemic. Hospitals have the right to triage. Baitball Blogger Oct 2021 #2
According to some info in the replies Mosby Oct 2021 #3
Exactly obamanut2012 Oct 2021 #21
Oh well. skylucy Oct 2021 #4
Can you even imagine how their minds work? canetoad Oct 2021 #5
Well, I guess that she made her choices Bettie Oct 2021 #7
Liver transplant surgeries are a piece of cake and hearing about side effects makes the Vax scary. marble falls Oct 2021 #9
What do you dr's know... lame54 Oct 2021 #12
... hold the onions and make it snappy, I gotta MAGA rally t'go to, dammit! Whar's Marcus Welby? marble falls Oct 2021 #22
"The health and safety of our patients is our top priority ... For the living donor, struggle4progress Oct 2021 #10
Major hospital systems requiring vaccinations for organ transplants struggle4progress Oct 2021 #11
CO hospital says people who want transplants must get vaccine struggle4progress Oct 2021 #13
Hasta la vista pendejos...n/t bluecollar2 Oct 2021 #14
MI health system weighs making transplants contingent on vaccination struggle4progress Oct 2021 #15
Third shot seems a game changer for renal transplant recipients struggle4progress Oct 2021 #16
This policy seems to be fairly common and makes sense LetMyPeopleVote Oct 2021 #17
She would probably take ivermectin instead of anti-rejection drugs krispos42 Oct 2021 #18
Good -- you have to adhere to certain requirements to get a transplant obamanut2012 Oct 2021 #20

Ms. Toad

(34,059 posts)
1. Good for the Cleveland Clinic.
Wed Oct 13, 2021, 10:54 PM
Oct 2021

As to the recipent - medical compliance is a big deal post-transplant. If you're going to claim religious exemptions for the vaccine, what's next - religious exemptions to the anti-rejection medications you will have to take the rest of your life?

As to the donor - this is major surgery that harms a healthy person No medical facility takes that lightly. There are numerous layers of screening (and restrictions) before you are allowed to be a living donor. it is major surgery that is harder on the donor than on the recipient - and the donor will be in the hospital for a number of days. It makes no sense at all to accept a donor who is at increased risk for COVID for a multi-day stay, weaken the body by removing half of her liver which, for at least a short time makes them more susceptible to the ravages of COVID. Not to mention that the liver is one of the targets of COVID.

I should add that my sarcoma surgery at the Cleveland Clinic was one of a handful of times I had been in a room unmasked with people who were not members of my household. They removed it for surgery and I awoke, unmasked in recovery. So in addition to the damage the surgery does, there is also the potential for signficant exposure during surgery and immediatly after (especially in a hospital in an area with a high concentration of COVID cases.

GoCubsGo

(32,078 posts)
6. Anyone know what religion says that an organ transplant is fine, but not a vaccine?
Wed Oct 13, 2021, 11:44 PM
Oct 2021

I mean, other than the Church of the Braindead MAGA?

Ms. Toad

(34,059 posts)
8. They are probably basing it on the use of fetal stem cell line (fetal cell line HEK 293)
Wed Oct 13, 2021, 11:48 PM
Oct 2021

used in research & development of the vaccine.

There are no stem cells used in receivng a liver transplant (aside from potentially similar involvement in R&D, production, or testing of anti-rejection medication).

Mosby

(16,297 posts)
3. According to some info in the replies
Wed Oct 13, 2021, 11:20 PM
Oct 2021

Transplants always require certain vaccinations prior, they just added covid to the list.

These antivaxxers are crazy.

obamanut2012

(26,064 posts)
21. Exactly
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 08:17 AM
Oct 2021

Certain vaccines, certain lifestyle choices (ie smoking, drinking, etc.) can also nix a transplant.

canetoad

(17,149 posts)
5. Can you even imagine how their minds work?
Wed Oct 13, 2021, 11:34 PM
Oct 2021

A chance to prolong life vs. loyalty to Q, TFG and the fringiest of the fringe nut cases and CTs.

Are they conflicted by this or is it a slam-dunk? No vaxx no-how. There are a lot of 'don't care' responses to this woman's decision.

I do care. I care about misinformation, about critical thinking skills being eroded. I care about people being subject to manipulative behaviour and influences that are harmful to their very beings. Maybe I care too much.

Bettie

(16,086 posts)
7. Well, I guess that she made her choices
Wed Oct 13, 2021, 11:45 PM
Oct 2021

and received the consequences of those choices.

No sympathy, she chose this.

marble falls

(57,063 posts)
9. Liver transplant surgeries are a piece of cake and hearing about side effects makes the Vax scary.
Wed Oct 13, 2021, 11:50 PM
Oct 2021

... chumps.

struggle4progress

(118,273 posts)
10. "The health and safety of our patients is our top priority ... For the living donor,
Wed Oct 13, 2021, 11:54 PM
Oct 2021

preventing COVID-19 infection around the time of a surgical operation is crucial. For the transplant candidate, in addition to a major operation, medications taken after an organ transplant weaken a person’s immune response"

https://wgntv.com/news/coronavirus/cleveland-clinic-denies-woman-liver-transplant-over-covid-19-vaccine-refusal/

struggle4progress

(118,273 posts)
11. Major hospital systems requiring vaccinations for organ transplants
Wed Oct 13, 2021, 11:56 PM
Oct 2021

Oct. 12, 2021, 4:17 PM EDT
By Antonio Planas

The Cleveland Clinic and University Hospitals, two of the largest health care systems in Ohio, are requiring Covid-19 vaccinations for solid organ transplants ...

Officials with University Hospitals said in a statement on Friday they were guided by medical studies pointing to the serious risks organ recipients face if they contract coronavirus ...

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/major-hospital-systems-ohio-requiring-covid-vaccinations-organ-transplants-n1281363

struggle4progress

(118,273 posts)
13. CO hospital says people who want transplants must get vaccine
Wed Oct 13, 2021, 11:59 PM
Oct 2021

October 7, 20212:10 PM ET
BILL CHAPPELL

A large hospital system in Colorado says people on its organ transplant wait list won't be offered an organ if they refuse to get the COVID-19 vaccine, citing the "significant risk the virus poses to transplant recipients."

UCHealth, which operates 12 hospitals from its headquarters in Aurora, Colo., says it has long been standard practice to require many organ recipients or donors to get vaccines such as hepatitis B or the MMR shot.

The hospital system added COVID-19 to its vaccine list a few weeks ago ...

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/10/07/1044034382/colorado-hospital-organ-transplant-covid-vaccine

struggle4progress

(118,273 posts)
15. MI health system weighs making transplants contingent on vaccination
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 12:03 AM
Oct 2021

Karen Bouffard
The Detroit News (TNS)
Oct 9, 2021 Comments

DETROIT ... Michigan Medicine, the University of Michigan's health system, is considering making COVID-19 vaccination a requirement for organ transplantation, spokeswoman Mary Masson said Friday ...

https://tylerpaper.com/ap/national/health-system-weighs-making-organ-transplants-contingent-on-covid-19-vaccination/article_eaeabe23-5c4a-5304-947b-d82d00a8b209.html

struggle4progress

(118,273 posts)
16. Third shot seems a game changer for renal transplant recipients
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 12:07 AM
Oct 2021

By ROSSELLA TERCATIN
SEPTEMBER 26, 2021 20:24

After two shots of the coronavirus vaccines, only a minority of renal transplant recipients – some 35% – developed neutralizing antibodies, new research conducted at the Sheba Medical has shown ...

The paper was published in the journal Transplantation, while the physicians are already working on a follow-up study considering the immune response after the booster, with possibly 86% developing antibodies ...

“Renal transplants are a high-risk population for COVID-19 infection and complications, including prolonged hospitalizations and mortality,” she noted. “At the same time, these individuals don’t respond well to vaccines. With the coronavirus epidemic, therefore, it was important for us to explore the response to the vaccine.”

Patients who undergo renal transplants are prescribed immunosuppressive drugs after the surgery for the remainder of their lives, to prevent their immune system from rejecting the organ they received. This same mechanism interferes with the immune system's ability to deal with illness or to create antibodies from vaccinations ...

https://www.jpost.com/health-and-wellness/3rd-covid-vaccine-seems-to-be-gamechanger-for-renal-transplant-recipients-680360

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,086 posts)
17. This policy seems to be fairly common and makes sense
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 12:53 AM
Oct 2021

I have no issue with this rule




– A Colorado woman with stage 5 renal failure was months away from getting a new kidney. Now, she and her donor are looking for another hospital after learning UCHealth’s new policy.

According to UCHealth, the majority of transplant recipients and living donors are now required to be vaccinated against COVID-19. Neither woman has received their shots.

“It’s your choice on what treatment you have. In Leilani’s case, the choice has been taken from her. Her life has now been held hostage because of this mandate,” said Fougner.

Fougner says she hasn’t received the vaccine for religious reasons. Lutali hasn’t gotten the shot because she says there are too many unknowns. Until last week, neither woman thought they needed to be vaccinated for the transplant.

“At the end of August, they confirmed that there was no COVID shot needed at that time,” said Lutali. “Fast forward to Sept. 28. That’s when I found out. Jamie learned they have this policy around the COVID shot for both for the donor and the recipient.”

krispos42

(49,445 posts)
18. She would probably take ivermectin instead of anti-rejection drugs
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 02:13 AM
Oct 2021

After all, who knows what's in anti-rejection drugs? I heard that Jeff Bezos has microwave-relay chips in the anti-rejection drugs that secretly tap into the Starlink data stream so he can track my armpit bacterial load, and also that they alter my DNA and make me a gay homosexual with Parkinson's disease and a club foot and they block out the word of God so I become an atheist!





And because we live in the worst possible timeline, I expect the above paragraph to be stated, earnestly, in public, and on camera, by a Q-idiot before Christmas.

obamanut2012

(26,064 posts)
20. Good -- you have to adhere to certain requirements to get a transplant
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 08:16 AM
Oct 2021

Including all vaccines recommended by your surgeon. Smokers cannot get a lung transplant, either.

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