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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,899 posts)
Wed Oct 13, 2021, 10:55 PM Oct 2021

Counties with more Confederate monuments also had more lynchings, study finds

It was 1898, and John Henry James was on a train headed toward certain death. The Black ice cream vendor had been falsely accused of raping a White woman, arrested and taken to a neighboring town to avoid a lynch mob. But the next morning, authorities put him on a train back to Charlottesville, where he was to be indicted at the Albemarle County Courthouse. He never made it; an angry crowd pulled him from the train outside of town and lynched him.

Within a few years, a Confederate monument nicknamed “Johnny Reb” went up at that same courthouse, along with some old Confederate cannons. Then came a statue of Stonewall Jackson next door, and two blocks away, a monument to Robert E. Lee.

The fact that James’s lynching and the erection of the memorials took place in the same era and the same area is not a coincidence, according to a report from the University of Virginia published Monday in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. It found that in formerly Confederate states, counties with more Confederate memorials also had more lynchings.

This “provides compelling evidence that these symbols are associated with hate” and racism, and not more innocuous things like “heritage” or “Southern pride,” the study’s authors concluded.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2021/10/13/confederate-monuments-lynchings-report-virginia/

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Counties with more Confederate monuments also had more lynchings, study finds (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2021 OP
Hmm,,,,. not a surprising correlation. OAITW r.2.0 Oct 2021 #1
True that. Igel Oct 2021 #11
Would be surprised otherwise. My credentials are over 6 decades in South. Hoyt Oct 2021 #2
Yeah, not only expected SCantiGOP Oct 2021 #6
No sh*t, sherlock. elleng Oct 2021 #3
This just in: the Earth is the third planet from the Sun sakabatou Oct 2021 #4
I have pictures of my Klan heritage. (Not bragging either, BTW) czarjak Oct 2021 #5
Of course they did. Straw Man Oct 2021 #7
Tragic. moondust Oct 2021 #8
Imagine that. They didn't need a study, they only needed Captain Obvious. marble falls Oct 2021 #9
One of the greatest blunders of the US government Progressive Jones Oct 2021 #10
1. "We got used to beating, raping, and killing black folk" struggle4progress Oct 2021 #12
Note to "study": Uh, duh?! UTUSN Oct 2021 #13
counties that voted for Trump have more racists Skittles Oct 2021 #14
New study: More drunks are found in bars than in libraries. Midnight Writer Oct 2021 #15

Igel

(35,296 posts)
11. True that.
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 12:24 AM
Oct 2021

How many Confederate monuments would you expect in Vermont?

How many lynchings?

Even with my paltry knowledge of statistics, I know what a confound is.

I'd expect confederates states to have lynched more people--whether white or black--than Vermont, on a per capita basis. Or NY, ME, NH, PA, NJ, even MD.

Straw Man

(6,622 posts)
7. Of course they did.
Wed Oct 13, 2021, 11:30 PM
Oct 2021

The statues were part of a concerted effort to terrorize and oppress the black population.

moondust

(19,972 posts)
8. Tragic.
Wed Oct 13, 2021, 11:35 PM
Oct 2021

I don't know if there was a realistic alternative but IMO President Ulysses S. Grant and others made a mistake in agreeing to the Compromise of 1877 that removed federal troops from the South.

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Some black Republicans felt betrayed as they lost their power in the South that had been propped up by the federal military, and by 1905 most blacks were effectively disenfranchised by the now-democratically elected state legislatures in every Southern state (Southern Democrats).
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There are no public monuments to Hitler or Göring in Berlin/Germany. The large numbers of Allied troops that occupied Germany for nearly half a century would never have allowed it.

Progressive Jones

(6,011 posts)
10. One of the greatest blunders of the US government
Wed Oct 13, 2021, 11:57 PM
Oct 2021

was to end Reconstruvtion before 2 to 3 full generations had passed. We've had to endure Confederate residue ever since.

struggle4progress

(118,274 posts)
12. 1. "We got used to beating, raping, and killing black folk"
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 12:28 AM
Oct 2021

2. "We got scared somebody might try to keep us from beating, raping, and killing black folk"

3. "We started a war to make sure nobody could keep us from beating, raping, and killing black folk"

4. "We lost the war"

5. "We put up lots of monuments to the people who fought in the war we lost to make sure nobody could keep us from beating, raping, and killing black folk"

6. "It'sjust a coinky-dink that black folk got beaten, raped, and killed near these monuments celebrating our glorious history"

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