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Wed Oct 13, 2021, 10:55 PM

Counties with more Confederate monuments also had more lynchings, study finds

It was 1898, and John Henry James was on a train headed toward certain death. The Black ice cream vendor had been falsely accused of raping a White woman, arrested and taken to a neighboring town to avoid a lynch mob. But the next morning, authorities put him on a train back to Charlottesville, where he was to be indicted at the Albemarle County Courthouse. He never made it; an angry crowd pulled him from the train outside of town and lynched him.

Within a few years, a Confederate monument nicknamed “Johnny Reb” went up at that same courthouse, along with some old Confederate cannons. Then came a statue of Stonewall Jackson next door, and two blocks away, a monument to Robert E. Lee.

The fact that James’s lynching and the erection of the memorials took place in the same era and the same area is not a coincidence, according to a report from the University of Virginia published Monday in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. It found that in formerly Confederate states, counties with more Confederate memorials also had more lynchings.

This “provides compelling evidence that these symbols are associated with hate” and racism, and not more innocuous things like “heritage” or “Southern pride,” the study’s authors concluded.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2021/10/13/confederate-monuments-lynchings-report-virginia/

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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 13 OP
OAITW r.2.0 Oct 13 #1
Igel Oct 14 #11
Hoyt Oct 13 #2
SCantiGOP Oct 13 #6
elleng Oct 13 #3
sakabatou Oct 13 #4
czarjak Oct 13 #5
Straw Man Oct 13 #7
moondust Oct 13 #8
marble falls Oct 13 #9
Progressive Jones Oct 13 #10
struggle4progress Oct 14 #12
UTUSN Oct 14 #13
Skittles Oct 14 #14
Midnight Writer Oct 14 #15

Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Wed Oct 13, 2021, 10:58 PM

1. Hmm,,,,. not a surprising correlation.

Would have guessed that without a scientific survey.

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Response to OAITW r.2.0 (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 14, 2021, 12:24 AM

11. True that.

How many Confederate monuments would you expect in Vermont?

How many lynchings?

Even with my paltry knowledge of statistics, I know what a confound is.

I'd expect confederates states to have lynched more people--whether white or black--than Vermont, on a per capita basis. Or NY, ME, NH, PA, NJ, even MD.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Wed Oct 13, 2021, 11:00 PM

2. Would be surprised otherwise. My credentials are over 6 decades in South.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #2)

Wed Oct 13, 2021, 11:24 PM

6. Yeah, not only expected

Completely inevitable.

Captain Obvious wrote the headline.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Wed Oct 13, 2021, 11:00 PM

3. No sh*t, sherlock.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Wed Oct 13, 2021, 11:01 PM

4. This just in: the Earth is the third planet from the Sun

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Wed Oct 13, 2021, 11:11 PM

5. I have pictures of my Klan heritage. (Not bragging either, BTW)

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Wed Oct 13, 2021, 11:30 PM

7. Of course they did.

The statues were part of a concerted effort to terrorize and oppress the black population.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Wed Oct 13, 2021, 11:35 PM

8. Tragic.

I don't know if there was a realistic alternative but IMO President Ulysses S. Grant and others made a mistake in agreeing to the Compromise of 1877 that removed federal troops from the South.

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Some black Republicans felt betrayed as they lost their power in the South that had been propped up by the federal military, and by 1905 most blacks were effectively disenfranchised by the now-democratically elected state legislatures in every Southern state (Southern Democrats).
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There are no public monuments to Hitler or Göring in Berlin/Germany. The large numbers of Allied troops that occupied Germany for nearly half a century would never have allowed it.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Wed Oct 13, 2021, 11:41 PM

9. Imagine that. They didn't need a study, they only needed Captain Obvious.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Wed Oct 13, 2021, 11:57 PM

10. One of the greatest blunders of the US government

was to end Reconstruvtion before 2 to 3 full generations had passed. We've had to endure Confederate residue ever since.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Thu Oct 14, 2021, 12:28 AM

12. 1. "We got used to beating, raping, and killing black folk"

2. "We got scared somebody might try to keep us from beating, raping, and killing black folk"

3. "We started a war to make sure nobody could keep us from beating, raping, and killing black folk"

4. "We lost the war"

5. "We put up lots of monuments to the people who fought in the war we lost to make sure nobody could keep us from beating, raping, and killing black folk"

6. "It'sjust a coinky-dink that black folk got beaten, raped, and killed near these monuments celebrating our glorious history"

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Thu Oct 14, 2021, 01:08 AM

13. Note to "study": Uh, duh?!

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Thu Oct 14, 2021, 06:04 AM

14. counties that voted for Trump have more racists

not fucking hard to figure out

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Thu Oct 14, 2021, 10:09 AM

15. New study: More drunks are found in bars than in libraries.

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