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rpannier

(24,329 posts)
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 08:21 AM Oct 2021

Defectors tell court they were promised 'paradise on Earth' in North Korea

Before reading (or mocking these people w/o some understanding). As the article mentions, after WW 2, Koreans living in Japan were stripped of Japanese citizenship and the Japanese government spent many years trying to kick Koreans out of Japan (the government encouraged them to go to North Korea). Also, for the better part of 2 and a half decades after WW 2, North Korea (which had been the heart of the Japanese industrial base) was one of the wealthiest countries in east Asia (often 2nd only to Japan)

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/14/defectors-tell-court-promised-paradise-on-earth-north-korea

Five people who say they were lured to North Korea decades ago as part of a resettlement programme have told a court in Japan they were promised a “paradise on Earth” but were instead denied basic human rights.

The plaintiffs – four ethnic Korean residents of Japan and a Japanese woman who went to the North with her Korean husband and their daughter – are seeking 100m yen (£644,000) in damages from the regime of Kim Jong-un.

While no one believes Kim will pay compensation if ordered to do so, the case is expected to highlight the plight of tens of thousands of people – mainly Koreans and their Japanese spouses – who went to live in the North as part of a programme operated by the countries’ Red Cross societies and funded by Pyongyang.

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Most of the settlers were among hundreds of thousands of Koreans who had worked in mines and factories in Japan, many against their will, during Japan’s colonial rule of the Korean peninsula from 1910 to 1945, and 1,830 Japanese women who had married Korean men.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/14/defectors-tell-court-promised-paradise-on-earth-north-korea

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Defectors tell court they were promised 'paradise on Earth' in North Korea (Original Post) rpannier Oct 2021 OP
It's Hell on earth there for everyone but Kim Johnny2X2X Oct 2021 #1
"The Japanese government and the Red Cross are not part of the case.' soryang Oct 2021 #2
Was North Korea really one of the wealthiest countries PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2021 #3
Yes it was rpannier Oct 2021 #4
Interesting. PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2021 #5
For a decade, then the Korean war happened Amishman Oct 2021 #7
The surrounding nations have a powerful incentive to maintain North Korea's stability. hunter Oct 2021 #6

Johnny2X2X

(19,060 posts)
1. It's Hell on earth there for everyone but Kim
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 08:31 AM
Oct 2021

North Korea is a never ending humanitarian crisis, if North Korea discovered massive oil reserves they'd be invaded and liberated immediately. The level and scale of human suffering in that country cannot be overstated.

The fact Trump legitimized Kim for all time should never be forgiven.

soryang

(3,299 posts)
2. "The Japanese government and the Red Cross are not part of the case.'
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 11:02 AM
Oct 2021

Of course not.

"many against their will" is the Japanese euphemism for their own slave labor war crimes.

How diplomatic of the Guardian to adopt the Japanese expression.

Anyone who thinks that the Japanese are going to get the upper hand in a propaganda war against their 20th Century victims just doesn't understand the history or culture of mainland Asia.


(Source- 호사카유지TV "Oh My TV" youtube 10.9) Hosaka Yuji, Ph.D. political science, Seoul University (left); Taro Aso (center) and Shinzo Abe (right) both heirs of Pacific War war criminals. Their right wing factions still control the Japanese government. The caption says Abe and Aso got everything they wanted (in the Kishida transition to PM).










PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,851 posts)
3. Was North Korea really one of the wealthiest countries
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 11:18 AM
Oct 2021

in east Asia for two decades after WWII?

What the hell happened? I thought that almost immediately after the Korean War and the permanent division of the two Koreas, that it very quickly became a hell hole.

rpannier

(24,329 posts)
4. Yes it was
Fri Oct 15, 2021, 07:56 AM
Oct 2021

It had been the heart of Japanese industry on the peninsula.
The government poured a large portion of their economy into industry
The success was aided by Kim Il-sung realizing that the US was not going to invade, so he was able to focus more attention on the economy. While in the South (Doofus) Rhee was still agitating for an invasion of the North
The problem for North Korea was the numbers of North Koreans was too small to get all the tasks he wanted done. So, agriculture and fishing was made less relevant to industry -- especially heavy industry
In the 70s there were a series of droughts and monsoon floods that wiped out North Korea's agriculture -- this was aided by the North's having removed so many trees and other vegetation, along with purges in the 50s left North Korea in a tight spot that they couldn't climb out from

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,851 posts)
5. Interesting.
Fri Oct 15, 2021, 11:33 AM
Oct 2021

Sometimes I amazed at what I don't know. Although I never would have claimed to know all that much about Korea, either as one or two countries, I'm still gob-smacked to learn this.

Thank you for informing me.

Amishman

(5,557 posts)
7. For a decade, then the Korean war happened
Fri Oct 15, 2021, 12:21 PM
Oct 2021

North Korea ended up with a communist themed authoritarian government and initial progress towards reconstruction fizzled out a few years after the end of the fighting.

South Korea went democratic and was rebuilt by the US and allies.

hunter

(38,311 posts)
6. The surrounding nations have a powerful incentive to maintain North Korea's stability.
Fri Oct 15, 2021, 12:05 PM
Oct 2021

Should North Korea collapse, South Korea, China, Russia, and Japan all fear there would be an unstoppable flood of starving and confused refugees seeking shelter in their nations.

Thus the stalemate persists.

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