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multigraincracker

(32,641 posts)
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 08:58 AM Oct 2021

This Company is Reinventing the Wheel and Ditching the Rubber Tire

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/company-reinventing-wheel-ditching-rubber-131117780.html

The so-called Air Suspension Wheel (ASW) is the brainchild of serial inventor and structural dynamic engineer Dr. Zoltan Kemeny. The patented ASW is a mechanical wheel constructed mostly of steel with in-wheel pneumatic suspension through cylinders. It is both environmentally friendly as well as cost-efficient. The ASW is engineered to have the same lifespan as the vehicle it is mounted on. After that, unlike rubber tires, it can be reconditioned or can be completely recycled.
GACW is currently focused on the $30 billion per year OTR mining market. Rubber OTR mining tires are expensive: for example, a typical 13,000-pound tire can cost up to $75,000 for a useful lifetime of only 6 to 9 months. “That is a large expense for a product that does not last,” according to the company. On the other hand, the ASW lasts as long as the vehicle itself and therefore saves up to 60% in costs.

Another key feature of the ASW is the greatly reduced Rolling Resistance. This will make combustion engines more efficient and reduce emission gases. For electrical cars, like Tesla, this would mean that the driving range can be extended by up to 30% on the same battery, which is significant.
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This Company is Reinventing the Wheel and Ditching the Rubber Tire (Original Post) multigraincracker Oct 2021 OP
I learned that "pollutive" is a word. n/t PoliticAverse Oct 2021 #1
Very cool UpInArms Oct 2021 #2
Very interesting Sherman A1 Oct 2021 #3
Iain Banks described something somewhat like this in Use of Weapons (IIRC) ... eppur_se_muova Oct 2021 #4
There's a lot of difference between a tyre on a big, slow off-road truck, and a fast road vehicle muriel_volestrangler Oct 2021 #5
And one that's going over dirt mining roads vs one on asphalt or concrete. PoliticAverse Oct 2021 #7
Fukkin Buzzkill 3Hotdogs Oct 2021 #11
I predict high road noise from those wheels. One of the benefits MineralMan Oct 2021 #6
As someone who has worked in the tire industry for decades, I also wonder how bullwinkle428 Oct 2021 #8
Anything with polyurethane? n/t PoliticAverse Oct 2021 #9
That's another factor, for sure. Rubber conforms to small irregularities MineralMan Oct 2021 #10
Let me guess BootinUp Oct 2021 #14
Maybe just add a rubber tread MoonlitKnight Oct 2021 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author marble falls Oct 2021 #12
How much for just one of them... a donut in the trunk? 3Hotdogs Oct 2021 #13
They are replacements for tires that cost $75,000 each and... reACTIONary Oct 2021 #29
How would they perform in ice and snow? lastlib Oct 2021 #15
I've been hearing about these since I was in high school in the '60s. JohnnyRingo Oct 2021 #16
A steel tire. LOL Politicub Oct 2021 #17
Steel tank treads grind pavement to rubble in no time bucolic_frolic Oct 2021 #18
As someone pointed out below relayerbob Oct 2021 #24
All of you naysayers please note.... reACTIONary Oct 2021 #27
Imagine 20 steel wheeled F1 cars zipping around Spa at 200mph. alfredo Oct 2021 #20
From their website, not the Yahoo press release...... KS Toronado Oct 2021 #21
Fantastic! Science! relayerbob Oct 2021 #22
These would not be for regular cars, just things like mining trucks, etc. panader0 Oct 2021 #23
13,000 pound tire? Wednesdays Oct 2021 #25
First, what is OTR? BidenRocks Oct 2021 #26
OTR is Off The Road... reACTIONary Oct 2021 #28

UpInArms

(51,280 posts)
2. Very cool
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 09:09 AM
Oct 2021

Tires are so hard on the environment …

Through production, lifespan and disposal …

Am glad there are people working on alternatives.

eppur_se_muova

(36,247 posts)
4. Iain Banks described something somewhat like this in Use of Weapons (IIRC) ...
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 09:21 AM
Oct 2021

of course, his were in the far future, and the design was perfected for ultrahigh speeds.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,271 posts)
5. There's a lot of difference between a tyre on a big, slow off-road truck, and a fast road vehicle
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 09:29 AM
Oct 2021

The usefulness of rubber tyres on road vehicles is for their cornering and braking characteristics, not suspension. "In-wheel pneumatic suspension through cylinders" also sounds as if it gives up any advantage of decreased rolling resistance. This may work in the situations where not using rubber is already an option (eg tracked vehicles), but will have the same limitations.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
7. And one that's going over dirt mining roads vs one on asphalt or concrete.
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 09:37 AM
Oct 2021

If the road is paved you want the road to wear out the tire not the other way around.

bullwinkle428

(20,628 posts)
8. As someone who has worked in the tire industry for decades, I also wonder how
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 09:41 AM
Oct 2021

a steel wheel would have anywhere near the traction capabilities of an elastomeric material like rubber.

Trust me - there are a number of new technologies in the works that will revolutionize the tire industry as we know it. We're in the process of sorting out production costs, production methodology, sustainability, etc., but most people will see this newer stuff in their lifetimes.

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
10. That's another factor, for sure. Rubber conforms to small irregularities
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 09:47 AM
Oct 2021

in the road surface, improving traction by increasing the total contact area.

I can see those steel wheels with built-in suspension features for OTR vehicles, but not so much for regular roadways.

BootinUp

(47,085 posts)
14. Let me guess
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 09:54 AM
Oct 2021

Some kind of new reinforcing fiber in the rubber?

Or thermoplastic instead of thermoset rubber.

MoonlitKnight

(1,584 posts)
19. Maybe just add a rubber tread
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 10:45 AM
Oct 2021

So then you get the benefits of both while significantly reducing the amount of waste.

Response to multigraincracker (Original post)

reACTIONary

(5,768 posts)
29. They are replacements for tires that cost $75,000 each and...
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 07:41 PM
Oct 2021

... last 6 to 9 months. On large off the road mining equipment. So they probably cost a lot, lot more. But since they last for the life of the equipment, instead of 6 to 9 months, they are supposed to be a big money saver.

JohnnyRingo

(18,619 posts)
16. I've been hearing about these since I was in high school in the '60s.
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 10:09 AM
Oct 2021

Many ideas have arisen and many more prototypes have been developed, but none of them offer the smooth ride and long life of a rubber (plastic polymer) tread.

This newest innovation may be useful on heavy equipment or farm vehicles, but it's just as unlikely to provide the magic carpet ride we expect from our SUVs. and Teslas.

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
17. A steel tire. LOL
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 10:32 AM
Oct 2021

This story is a press release dressed up as news.

And just like love, you can rub it all over your body and cook with it, too.

bucolic_frolic

(43,061 posts)
18. Steel tank treads grind pavement to rubble in no time
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 10:40 AM
Oct 2021

This sounds like an improvement over those, but also seems to be a permanent spring-loaded compacting operation. Won't that conformity and weight make for old-time ruts?

relayerbob

(6,537 posts)
24. As someone pointed out below
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 10:59 AM
Oct 2021

There would be flat poly treads for road use. Also they make the tires wider quite easily, reducing ground pressure. While perhaps not as recyclable as pure steel, it would be a massive improvement.

reACTIONary

(5,768 posts)
27. All of you naysayers please note....
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 07:32 PM
Oct 2021

... These are for off road mining equipement, not on the road, high speed automobile tires. Here is a diagram:

KS Toronado

(17,155 posts)
21. From their website, not the Yahoo press release......
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 10:50 AM
Oct 2021

"Customized polyurethane or steel tread configurations are bolted to the outer drum in segments."

So yes, where the "rubber" meets the road, this part still wears out & will need replaced as necessary.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
23. These would not be for regular cars, just things like mining trucks, etc.
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 10:55 AM
Oct 2021

There's no way that these could be used on our highways.

BidenRocks

(826 posts)
26. First, what is OTR?
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 11:43 AM
Oct 2021

Then, will this have a speed rating of Z? Safe at 145 mph?
Finally the high speed cornering interaction with a DSC, stability control system.

reACTIONary

(5,768 posts)
28. OTR is Off The Road...
Thu Oct 14, 2021, 07:35 PM
Oct 2021

... These tires are for off road heavy machinery. For mining operations. These are not auto tires or wheels.

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