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(6,224 posts)Captain Zero
(6,785 posts)NT
AZSkiffyGeek
(10,972 posts)I read that here!
Alexander Of Assyria
(7,839 posts)quakerboy
(13,917 posts)Till then its words on paper. I have shelves full of paper with compellingly arraigned words, and while i value them highly, they only run about $5 per hundred thousand in normal commercial situations.
malaise
(268,715 posts)Rec
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)to cooperate more. I'd read there's actually been hopeful speculation that we might not prosecute. Ridiculous, but we know most around that culthole seem to be exceptionally good at believing what they want to.
malaise
(268,715 posts)during the Slobfather's administration.
Heard someone suggest that he may plead the 5th
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)high risk behaviors. Look at him defrauding people for supposed "wall" donations while he knew he was on the FBI's radar.
He also had some fake documents somewhere in Europe
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)his election subversion would be illegal in most of the dozen or so European nations he planned to attack, so he seemingly backed away from those in time. And/or candidates refused to get involved and go to prison for it.
C_U_L8R
(44,990 posts)Including those commanding them to break the law
Grasswire2
(13,565 posts)Why not today?
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)SergeStorms
(19,187 posts)Why give the scumbag time to leave the country?
Evolve Dammit
(16,697 posts)from Hungary. Bannon's school in Italy. The authoritarianism seems global in scale and Ukraine/ Russia/ Orange Dumbfuck/ Manafort/ Flynn, Giuliani was the first inkling I had as to the scope. And that is tip of the massive iceberg. Do all roads lead to Putin, who wants us in a racially divided civil war?
Bev54
(10,039 posts)I didn't think they were in session right now.
DENVERPOPS
(8,790 posts)that the house or senate works on Mondays and Fridays unless forced to for some reason.......
If I am correct.....nice work if you can find it.........
Bev54
(10,039 posts)and then were off again. I just checked the calendars and yes they are off for the rest of the week for committee business, whatever that is. They are back on Monday.
DENVERPOPS
(8,790 posts)malaise
(268,715 posts)It was explained on CNN - a Committee has to meet and then there is a full House vote
kentuck
(111,052 posts)How long would he postpone action on the matter?
https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/meet-us-attorney
Alexander Of Assyria
(7,839 posts)Herr replaced people as often as needed everywhere but as appointed by Biden see little issue.
AZSkiffyGeek
(10,972 posts)He was appointed in March 2021. And had previously served under Obama.
Alexander Of Assyria
(7,839 posts)President Biden appointee is not one of them and I highly suspect Biden saw this moment in history coming and appointed the correct US Attorney.
kentuck
(111,052 posts)But that would not be legal.
As if illegality would ever have anything to do with it.
Alexander Of Assyria
(7,839 posts)Wouldnt worry about that.
Frankly if the AG, appointed by Biden, and the Acting AG responsible for prosecuting contempt of Congress, also appointed by Biden,accept the contempt report the committee will submit to them
the wheels of justice will spin fast
other indictments on the same fast track, will happen.
Contempt of Congress will be
must be
treated same as contempt of court
with rapidity.
Calista241
(5,586 posts)Why Biden's administration will be different about it is something that will have to be proven by actions.
Justice matters.
(6,921 posts)https://miningawareness.wordpress.com/2019/05/03/us-congresss-inherent-contempt-power-arrest-by-sergeant-at-arms-trial-before-house-or-senate/
Go for it if the DOJ stalls.
Fiendish Thingy
(15,551 posts)A criminal contempt referral from Congress?
The only ones I can think of were AGs under Republican presidents when Dems had the house.
Were there any criminal contempt referrals by a Dem congress under Obama or Clinton (besides Susan McDougal)? Carter? Johnson?
This could be new territory, at least in my lifetime
Calista241
(5,586 posts)Alexander Of Assyria
(7,839 posts)somewhat complex constitutional and Congressional procedure mandated
Barr and any US Attorney under his control
all of them technically, would not have indicted for congressional contempt.
The ball is now rolling towards actual criminal trials for contempt because before Herr and Barr left their mess for us to clean up the contempt ball would inevitably have hit a legal stone wall.
So the answer to why didnt Democrats do something before, in the dark ages?
This letter to America explains the answer
there is light now at the end of the prosecutorial and enforcement tunnel.
demmiblue
(36,823 posts)Were not messing around here.
People with relevant information to our investigation into January 6 must comply with lawful subpoenas.
If they dont, we will use all the tools at our disposal including criminal contempt.
Link to tweet
Nittersing
(6,347 posts)What's to keep him from bailing before Tuesday?
Alexander Of Assyria
(7,839 posts)or flight to another country, guilt by flight presumption, and extradition proceedings.
Am good with that too.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)from extradition in. It'd put a real crimp in his world revolution.
Alexander Of Assyria
(7,839 posts)malaise
(268,715 posts)He and that scoundrel are friends
Alexander Of Assyria
(7,839 posts)demmiblue
(36,823 posts)I think the lot of them feel like they are untouchable.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Present signs are not very encouraging.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)with DOJ approval.
That is fucking dangerous and unacceptable. These people need to be severely punished.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Unfortunately, if the deals we need are made, we already know we're likely to be disappointed in eventual punishments. 30 year minimum as a beginning!
Oh well. Anyway, remember, the DoJ's usual tactic is to work its way up the criminal hierarchy. These guys were working directly with DT in the last days, including Bannon outside, so they weren't so low. Not even one degree of separation. And Mark Meadows was his chief of staff!
I just hope they start cracking like window glass. Twerpie Kash Patel was a clerk who became a major agent in DT's battle with the intelligence agencies. What was he supposed to do if DT'd succeeded in making him director of the FBI (!) or assistant director of the CIA (!)? He was all over the place. And what does he know about why the National Guard wasn't brought in earlier when he was the chief of staff for DT's highly questionable acting SoD? 100 other initial questions, probably every one with a "you can't make this stuff up" answer.
kentuck
(111,052 posts)That means the DOJ is "cooperating", right?
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Also have to push for conviction and push for serious prison time.
Not a trip to Cancun.
kentuck
(111,052 posts)...they are prosecuting Steve Bannon.
No one cares about protecting him, except Trump.
Trump will probably make a statement about Bannon similar to the one he made about Paul Manafort? How he was a good man and it is a disgrace what they are doing to him...blah...blah.. blah..
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)I'll believe it when I see it.
malaise
(268,715 posts)Hope he dies in prison
murielm99
(30,717 posts)Maraya1969
(22,462 posts)Last edited Thu Oct 14, 2021, 03:34 PM - Edit history (1)
over and over to flout the law in the faces of the American people.
Alexander Of Assyria
(7,839 posts)then indictment, then trial, then sentence.
But its criminal contempt of Congress so it will move fast as all criminal contempt must, and does.
Since the committee report is all the evidence the grand jury will need, expect that to take like an hour with coffee break.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Sorry - I seem to be in grammar-Nazi mode today.
mcar
(42,278 posts)Wonder if we'll ever hear them admit it.
ffr
(22,665 posts)Sogo
(4,986 posts)Justice matters.
(6,921 posts)The GJ then must vote on it: A 50% + 1 (majority rule) verdict means an arrest warrant is issued Legally.
Calista241
(5,586 posts)the committee is going to make up shit, or present anything in the worse possible light, and as a result, they're pleading the 5th. Which is probably what will happen if this does ever appear before a judge. But I'm not going to hold my breath.
stillcool
(32,626 posts)they say whatever and do whatever, but they if there are legal consequences for failing to appear, all their talk does nothing.
Beetwasher.
(2,968 posts)what people who believe in the rule of law do. They don't round up anyone they want when the online community demands it. First, the deadline for him to respond has to pass without his response. That's what deadlines are for. It's at that point he's actually committed the crime. Now that he's committed the crime, the process to prosecute begins. Again, we don't just go rounding people up without due process. This is what due process looks like.
ITower68
(23 posts)Catherine Vincent
(34,486 posts)Evolve Dammit
(16,697 posts)Hotler
(11,396 posts)Paper work should already be filled out. They knew this was coming.