SCOOP - @SenatorSinema told a group of moderate house Dems meeting on Wednesday that she won't sup

[demmiblue]

SCOOP - @SenatorSinema told a group of moderate house Dems meeting on Wednesday that she won't support a reconciliation bill until infrastructure bill passes, according to source briefed on one-hour meeting.

Senator Manchin also on zoom call Simema and Manchin told the group that they won't discuss any artificial deadlines, per source.

Manchin also told group that $2 trillion top line is not a good starting point, per source.

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[FoxNewsSucks]

1. I'm so shocked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Two turncoats who won't even live up to the deal that was made.

Also, when did "The Bottom Line" change into "Top Line"? Is that another Bushism that the media normalized?

[lagomorph777]

2. Must apply serious pork/bribes/kompromat to SineManchin

[Alexander Of Assyria]

3. All the spending is over 10 years...is that so hard for anyone anywhere, let alone

journalists and professional opinionaters to state??

“Manchin also told the group the $200 billion yearly budget over 10 years is not a good starting point, per a single unnamed and totally unidentified source.”

Shit, that’s a quarter of the annual Pentagon budget.

Fixed it.

[moose65]

4. I know. It seems deliberately misleading

The spending bills seem to always be 10 year bills. Why is that?

You never hear a statement like "The US spends 8 trillion per decade on defense." The defense budget is always stated as a 1-year number, not a decade.

Why don't they cut the time frame in half and do a 1.75 or 1.5 trillion bill?

[Alexander Of Assyria]

5. America has not had a multi-year budget passed by Congress since the ice age, so

all piecemeal spending….so have to do these quasi-budgets, piece by piece…even the military has to have a budget vote every year, no long range planning.

What a way to run a country.

[FBaggins]

12. The ten years is due to the reconciliation rules

In order to qualify for reconciliation (and thus avoid the filibuster), the bill has to be scored as not adding to the deficit over a ten year period.

[Celerity]

13. Can a reconciliation bill add to the budget deficit?

https://www.crfb.org/papers/reconciliation-101

A reconciliation bill is allowed to either decrease or increase the deficit over the time period covered by the budget resolution. It is also possible for a reconciliation bill to contain provisions with costs as well as savings so long as the net effect complies with the reconciliation instructions.

In 2007, the Senate adopted the “Conrad rule,” which prohibited reconciliation from increasing deficits. However, the Conrad rule was repealed in the Fiscal Year (FY) 2016 budget resolution (over our objections). Even without the Conrad rule, reconciliation legislation cannot add more to the deficit than what is allowed in the instructions under the budget resolution, though there is no limit on how costly these instructions can be.

Reconciliation legislation is also subject to a number of budget points of order. To avoid a 60-vote point of order, the bill must comply with the spending and revenue levels in the budget and abide by the Senate “pay-as-you-go” (PAYGO) rule, which prevents legislation from adding to deficits. However, these rules can be changed – or exceptions added – in the budget resolution itself. An exemption to Senate PAYGO was written into the FY 2021 budget resolution that provided for reconciliation for the American Rescue Plan, and it is written into the Senate-passed FY 2022 budget resolution.

As with any other bill, deficit increases under reconciliation are subject to the statutory PAYGO law, which does not allow net increases in the deficit over the course of a year or the following five-year and ten-year periods. An exclusion from statutory PAYGO as part of a reconciliation bill would be subject to a 60-vote point of order.

Statutory PAYGO can be addressed in separate legislation, subject to a 60-vote threshold. In 2017, a December continuing resolution enacted on the same day as the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act removed the tax cuts from the statutory PAYGO scorecard. If PAYGO had not been waived, the resulting sequester would have been large enough to eliminate mandatory programs that are subject to the sequester. Congress has not yet addressed the statutory PAYGO effects of the American Rescue Plan.

Finally, and in many ways more importantly, provisions in a reconciliation bill that increase the deficit beyond the period covered by the budget resolution are subject to a 60-vote point of order under the “Byrd rule” unless the costs are offset by savings from other provisions in the same title of the bill.

[qazplm135]

6. This tells me

That Sinema is fine with the infrastructure bill not passing at all.

She has to know progressives aren't going to back down and suddenly trust her, so she must ultimately be ok with the bipartisan bill failing to keep from moving one inch on the reconciliation bill.

[Budi]

7. What happens when neither will back down?

[qazplm135]

8. Nothing

It all falls apart.

[Budi]

10. End game! Mission accomplished.

And they'll just blame each other.

While American lives go on unassisted.

[qazplm135]

11. I've done plenty of left criticism

In my time, not this time.
Sorry it's one side at fault this time and that side is the group holding everything up.

[Budi]

14. Perhaps their approach early on & culminating in bathroom stalking

..had something to do with the big middle finger back-at-ya from Sinema.
Plus she was already questionable as to loyalties just from her previous affiliations
(There's a benefit here in targeting this one, btw but that's another story.)

Recall in the beginning the small group also was vocal about their demands or nothing, as well.
The direct use of media in a vigilanti sort of way, became a tool to where we stand today.

The only ones void of the blame-game are American families

[qazplm135]

15. Her position before the bathroom

Is the same as after.

The cause is her and her alone, and if she's holding up progress because some random person did something silly then that's pretty ridiculous isn't it?

[Budi]

18. Once is silly. Months of relentless feeding the media in her direction was vigilanti. & here we are.

The approach of Push, to a flat out shove out the door via feeding the media really should be reconsidered. I see no purpose nor any way that it benefitted anyone at this point.

The 'my way or nothing' approach backfired across the board.

Americans & families are the only blameless ones in this spectacle.

[qazplm135]

19. ok you seem determined

to make excuses for her, I'm not.

[Budi]

21. Not at all. There are some hiding their own failure as well, however, by ...

...targeting her exclusively & relentlessly.

[qazplm135]

22. one side has come down repeatedly

and BEGGED for a compromise. One side won't even say what she wants except to say she doesn't want anything, and you continue with this both sides silliness.

[Budi]

26. Well, we will see who tanks the 2 trillionbecause apparantly ..

...nothing is better for America than 2 trillion worth of something.

Meanwhile we will just wait ...

[SunImp]

25. Pretty much this

This poster and other posters like him seem to want to shift ALL the blame to Progressive Congress members because of some childish grudges they have against them.
Yes they are all to blame for this situation, but if you really look at what Sinema and Manchin have done through out all of these negotiations you'd see that they have been the most dishonest and stubborn people to deal with.

[Budi]

27. And $2 trillion of something for America is a heck of a lot more than nothing.

My point.

Waiting to see who dares to vote down $2 trillion.

[babylonsister]

9. Something must be done to disallow two people to

interfere with the will of the majority.

[LiberalFighter]

16. Investigate their financial supporters.

[Blaukraut]

17. This basically means there will either be the bipartisan bill or no bill at all

I'd be really surprised if Sinema actually voted for the reconciliation bill once the smaller infrastructure bill is passed.

[Tribetime]

20. She already has one full-time job teaching 2 college courses

And in her spare time she trains for triathlons. I guess she has no time to speak to the people who voted for her

[leftyladyfrommo]

23. What is her deal? Someone has to be making

her decisions very worthwhile for her.

[themaguffin]

24. She's a political whore. That's the deal.