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Sinema Wont Back Budget Bill Until Infrastructure Passes
October 14, 2021 at 4:32 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 0 Comments
https://politicalwire.com/2021/10/14/sinema-wont-back-budget-bill-until-infrastructure-passes/
"SNIP.....
Sen. Kysten Sinema (D-AZ) told a group of moderate House Democrats that she wont support a budget reconciliation bill until the bipartisan infrastructure bill passes, Reuters reports.
Also on the video call was Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV), who told the group that a $2 trillion top line for the bill is not a good starting point.
......SNIP"
Sanity Claws
(21,846 posts)Maybe she'll get lost in Europe and not come back. AZ could replace her. That would be nice.
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wryter2000
(46,037 posts)Seriously.
Do we have the slightest indication she'll go for the reconciliation bill if the other one has passed? I don't think so.
What starting point would Manchin like? $10,000 and go down from there?
Fuck them both.
How about neither one of them ever get fucked again?
wryter2000
(46,037 posts)Mad_Machine76
(24,406 posts)was that she said that "we'll see" after the BIFF passes, but, honestly, that doesn't sound very encouraging. I have a feeling she and Manchin and probably others in the House (i.e. Gottheimer) will walk away really quickly from BBB or continue to stall it to death once the BIFF passes. I feel like I would take those odds. Anybody want to join me?
wryter2000
(46,037 posts)They wanted to pass the infrastructure bill first in hopes the other one would go away. Or planning to actively do it in. The progressives did well to shut that down.
It is so freaking stupid. If they pass both, the good effects of the bills will give them a huge advantage running for re-election. The Republicans will use it, even though they voted against it. We've seen them do that with the first bill.
a kennedy
(29,647 posts)ColinC
(8,289 posts)wryter2000
(46,037 posts)Snakes are wonderful creatures. Most are very beneficial to humans. How about "the word of a Republican," instead?
Celerity
(43,317 posts)JohnSJ
(92,136 posts)if we had at least a two seat majority, but that isnt the way it is
Angrius
(7 posts)One of them is going to, they work for mitch McConnell
JohnSJ
(92,136 posts)JohnSJ
(92,136 posts)They do not care if the Democrats have a majority or not
Celerity
(43,317 posts)Manchin just said that $2 trillion was too high ('not a good starting point') for the reconciliation bill.
Do you mean $2 trillion total in new spend between the 2 bills combined?
The bi-partisan bill has $550 billion in new spend, so Manchin's 'compromise' figure for the reconciliation bill (he said he wanted $1 trillion top line but will go to 1.5 trillion) of $1.5 trillion added to the $550 billion from the bi-partisan bill gets you to basically $2 trillion total new spend.
I doubt Manchin will go along with cutting the time frame in half or so, as he will likely go bonkers then at the per annum spend.
IF he actually agrees to that (shortened time frame) and we can get the reconciliation bill in and agreed at say, $1.75 trillion for 5 years, THEN we do have full funding on a yearly spend basis.
JohnSJ
(92,136 posts) Also on the video call was Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV), who told the group that a $2 trillion top line for the bill is not a good starting point.
Implies he might go up to 2 trillion max
Celerity
(43,317 posts)trillion. Starting at 2 trillion (unless there is a shortened time frame) is a massive come down already (from 3.5 trillion) and starting at 2 trillion implies it will be lower than that at the end, and Manchin will not even start at 2 (so he says).
I see nothing from this article that makes this:
a possibility
JohnSJ
(92,136 posts)for him.
Celerity
(43,317 posts)JohnSJ
(92,136 posts)Celerity
(43,317 posts)Response to JohnSJ (Reply #30)
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wryter2000
(46,037 posts)He wants to start the negotiations below that with the end being below what they started with.
JohnSJ
(92,136 posts)Bettie
(16,089 posts)BECAUSE the infrastructure bill already passed.
Then, everyone will scream and blame progressives.
Celerity
(43,317 posts)Build Back Better Act, then it will take massive pretzel logic to blame the progs for anything, because they will have then caved in to all of the demands from the centrists/moderates already, so there is no logical way to blame them at all IF Sinema THEN says fuck the ENTIRE reconciliation bill, which is a possibility, as you suggested.
At that dire point, it is 100% ALL on Sinema, as even Coal Joe has said he will vote for at least a $1.5 trillion reconciliation bill (granted dog knows what he will demand be chopped out to get to that massive almost 60% gutting).
IF that scenario does indeed play out (we had ALL best hope it does not) then Sinema will go down as the most hated Dem since the old Dixiecrat segregationist days, as she and she alone will have driven a massive nail into the coffin of our 2022 and 2024 electoral hopes.
wryter2000
(46,037 posts)No one could blame the progressives, and everyone will hate Sinema, but there still won't be any bill. That's no kind of win.
Dave says
(4,616 posts)Wish she didn't have that opportunity, but it sure looks like that's what's playing out. It's possibly (if not already) Good Night, America.
BlueNProud
(1,048 posts)Fiendish Thingy
(15,585 posts)She doesnt have the guts.
Celerity
(43,317 posts)Fiendish Thingy
(15,585 posts)I think her ego is more important to her than her bank account- she has delusions of running for higher office, and voting down Bidens agenda would squash those dreams permanently.
Celerity
(43,317 posts)lose the Senate in 2022) OR she take her 'GOAT' (as an Dem saboteur) trophy and cash in in the oh so lucrative corporate lobbying world, OR she could (especially if the Senate remains 50/50 post 2022) just brazenly say 'fuck you, who are your going to run against me in the primary?' and try to bulldoze her way to a re-election as a Dem (which will fail as well IMHO, especially if she single-handedly fucks us on this bill, and likely others)
Fiendish Thingy
(15,585 posts)As much as she loves the jet set life, numerous sources (more than this anonymous leak about not voting for reconciliation first) have disclosed that Sinema has serious (albeit delusional) aspirations for higher elected office. I think She thinks she could be elected the first woman president, being the mavericky, sensible, centrist that she is
Being the lone NO vote to kill Bidens agenda would end her political career. She would not win the Democratic primary in 2024. PACs are already fundraising to support her as-yet-to-be determined primary opponent, and the full force of the Democratic Party would oppose her. Who would endorse her? Manchin? Gottheimer? Joe Arpaio?
So would switching parties, as she would lose the 2024 GOP primary to a Trump approved toady.
JohnSJ
(92,136 posts)that bluff
Remember when she voted no against minimum wage, and did a little wiggle to flaunt it
They arent bluffing because they dont care
Only way to change that is win a two seat or more majority in the Senate
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)Let them be known for sabotaging Democrats when we needed them most, and let them serve as eternal warnings against ever supporting scumbag rightwing corporatists in our party ever again.
(Note: This is not a knock against moderates. ACTUAL moderates support both bills)
Fiendish Thingy
(15,585 posts)Sure hope Schumer doesnt fall for it, and proceeds to bring the reconciliation bill to the floor in the near future.
After negotiating a bill Manchin will support, Schumer must hold a vote and dare Sinema to stand alone and vote down Bidens entire agenda.
She doesnt have the guts.
wryter2000
(46,037 posts)But I wouldn't underestimate her guts. She's a troll more than anything else.
JohnSJ
(92,136 posts)LenaBaby61
(6,974 posts)Fiendish Thingy
(15,585 posts)Being the sole NO vote on reconciliation would end her political career, and she has delusions of being elected to higher office.
Freethinker65
(10,009 posts)Then no infrastructure bill if she kills Reconciliation tion. Try again. Let her kill them both again. Will she?
No way she passes Reconciliation if Infrastructure passes first. She has taken too much money to obstruct.
Efilroft Sul
(3,578 posts)Curtsy McDownvote has been trying to submarine the president's agenda.
Dave says
(4,616 posts)Response to Efilroft Sul (Reply #40)
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vercetti2021
(10,156 posts)Fuck her and her high horse