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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsQAnon Followers Want Out, but the Hurdles Are Huge
Link to tweet
https://www.cosmopolitan.com/lifestyle/a37696261/leaving-recovering-from-q-anon/
For Ceally Smith, it felt like she was suffocating. The 33-year-old holistic health entrepreneur would spend hours consumed with conspiracy theoriesabout sex trafficking, children secretly being sold on a furniture website, the multimillionaire pedophile Jeffrey Epstein. There was always another video to watch, another media lie to investigate, another stranger to enlighten. Things that once fulfilled herexercise, her meal-prep businessno longer seemed to matter. Instead, she dug deeper and deeper into the horrors the internet presented her every day, feeling obligated, as a sexual abuse survivor, to be the adult I needed as a child, she says.
For Anna*, a 23-year-old pharmacy student in Pennsylvania, it felt like being trapped in a vortex of fear. I had feelings of hope, but at the same time, I was incredibly scared, distressed, and anxious and even had panic attacks, she says. She spent as many as eight hours a day poring over feeds on Telegram and Gab, listening to fringe podcasts. Doing just about anything else, she admits, was really hard.
Another person compared it to a monster gnawing away at me. On a message board this summer, they wrote, My mind keeps circling back to it, no matter what I do. I dont want this to happen, Ive seen what it does to people, but I just cant shake it off, Im losing my goddamn mind, I cant focus on anything and my anxiety keeps shooting up, this isnt who I am.
It, for all three, was QAnon, the infamous and violent pro-Trump conspiracy theory whose followers mushroomed during the pandemic to include suburban moms, yoga teachers, grandmas, and seemingly half of your Facebook feed. The movement was so easy to get intoa provocative post by an acquaintance, a few clicks, a video that rang true, which then surfaced other videosbut would prove to be much harder to get out of.
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I_UndergroundPanther
(12,463 posts)Is an addiction.
I look forward to the day these addicts realize they have become addicted.
Then turn on quanon and the social media crap that sends more people into addictive behavior.
Hope quanon is exposed and gets put in prison with no net access for the rest of thier miserable lives. And a class action lawsuit by ex quanons drains them financially to the point they cannot even buy TP from the prison canteen.
waddirum
(979 posts)seriously
I_UndergroundPanther
(12,463 posts)And it really pisses me off that these addicted crazies are considered viable candidates at all.
CrackityJones75
(2,403 posts)qanon likely isnt one person. It is psyops.
Sogo
(4,986 posts)How QAnon Works like a Video Game to Hook People
https://www.axios.com/qanon-video-game-cbbacb1e-969c-4f07-93cd-69e41bc6feeb.html
QAnon: A Game That Plays People
https://think.kera.org/2021/01/21/qanon-a-game-that-plays-people/
QAnon Is Like a Gamea Most Dangerous Game
https://www.wired.com/story/qanon-most-dangerous-multiplatform-game/
Celerity
(43,299 posts)leighbythesea2
(1,200 posts)So good.
dalton99a
(81,443 posts)multigraincracker
(32,669 posts)proven true. That should open their eyes. The pizza place didn't even have a basement.
niyad
(113,254 posts)are fake, proof of how deep the cover-up runs. And the dates for all the major reveals and exposes keeps getting pushed back ((think lindell). In May, I heard that it would be aany dy now. In the summer, I was told it would be within a couple of months. Tuesday I heard that it will take a year for all the truth to come out, the new world order.
Wounded Bear
(58,642 posts)MustLoveBeagles
(11,589 posts)Solly Mack
(90,762 posts)Not surprised by the content.
The wounded, in whatever way, are usually the ones that predators go after - grooming takes many forms and not just in the sexual exploitative way people tend to think of when they hear the term "grooming". Though it is all by and large the same in techniques.
You get them used to an idea or an action by appealing to their fears. Those fears usually based on a lack they feel - in themselves, primarily - and in others. Something they were cheated out of it - love, safety, protection, family, community - a sense of belonging. You find the same thing with all cults and gangs of all descriptions.
They need help. I readily agree with that.
That said...
There's a point when that need for belonging can become a danger to others and their need for help becomes secondary to the risks they pose to everyone else.
(With the exception of victims of sexual exploitation, who do not represent a gang or a cult, and who do need help immediately. I'm not talking about those victims. I'm talking adults who join Qanon and other cults and gangs)
You have to lower those risks - remove the danger they pose.
Then get them help.
It's all well and good if they seek help on their own but for the many who don't, the danger they pose to everyone else must take precedence in terms of which comes first.
In the end, the more that get help, the lower the risks they pose to others.
But the damage they can cause before they do get help can lead to things like the January 6th insurrection, the shooting up of a pizza parlor, attacks on medical professionals and school boards, and all the Covid-19/anti-vaccine denial bullshit. And the list goes on.
But I could be wrong.
I_UndergroundPanther
(12,463 posts)ProfessorGAC
(64,993 posts)I'm far from expert on human behavior, but everything you wrote seems inherently logical.
Solly Mack
(90,762 posts)have been wounded in some way but they also seem to have sensed that something wasn't quite right about their life in Qanon. Really, they come off as exceptions.
Because that doesn't appear to hold true for all those who gravitate to conspiracy theories and other outlandish beliefs. Not saying they aren't troubled in some way, because they clearly are, but they seem to lack the ability to recognize the connection like those mentioned in the various articles.
The people in the article felt something wasn't right about their life after they fell into the rabbit hole.
Seems a lot of the Qanon/Trump cultists are constantly expanding the rabbit hole as need requires. Constantly adapting to any brushes with reality by claiming said fact is merely an example of just how deep the conspiracy against them is and how far the "deep state" will go.
They've settled on a belief and facts and evidence proving otherwise be damned.
They have built an identity on lies and anything that runs counter is viewed as an attack on their core being.
Good on those seeking to change but the dangers are still just too great to think the exceptions will become the rule.
cally
(21,593 posts)I like the quotes about the times and how the social isolation and pandemic fear helped lead to Qanon growth.
ecstatic
(32,681 posts)A seed was planted. I brushed it off initially but then I started to become paranoid about it. At a certain point you have to choose between cutting off that thought pattern completely or losing sanity. Pray, meditate, reach out to a higher power, do whatever it takes to nip it in the bud.
Poiuyt
(18,122 posts)Treating them rationally won't work. They've learned things irrationally, they'll need to unlearn the same way.
jmbar2
(4,873 posts)Thanks.
Skittles
(153,147 posts)QANON trash is just so over the top ridiculous, how fucking stupid are these folk
Earth-shine
(3,984 posts)... and looking for something to believe in.
From your tone, you offer them nothing they can use.
Skittles
(153,147 posts)but I know fucking bullshit when I see it
Earth-shine
(3,984 posts)Not even an attempt to understand them.
The fact is people do believe this destructive, cultish nonsense. And these people will tear this country apart one conspiracy at a time unless a solution is found.
Skittles
(153,147 posts)DONE here
Earth-shine
(3,984 posts)or actually care about others.
DONE here.
Scrivener7
(50,944 posts)I feel no need to "offer them something they can use."
My sympathy has been used up for Q morons and antivaxxers and any others who are willing to burn the rest of us down because "they are looking for something to believe in."
I am tired of paying constantly for their "damage." I don't require them to pay for mine.
And for God's sake, stop telling me I need to "understand" these people who are completely incomprehensible, even to themselves. No, I don't understand them. I have no desire to.
I'm with Skittles.
Buns_of_Fire
(17,174 posts)Sorry. That's exactly who they are. Not looking for solutions, looking to fuel whatever imagined indignity they've suffered. Flies searching desperately for the flypaper.
Skittles
(153,147 posts)searching for something to believe in....riiiiiight....it's what they already believe that stinks
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,853 posts)... they were wrong.
I suspect that even the people who actually broke free are still very dangerous, and all it will take is them hearing "liberals are evil" from other media sources to fall back into it.
When I used to listen to right-wing radio (in my car), I used to imagine the propagandists replacing "liberals" with "Jews" and how it would be just like Nazi Germany.
As a review, here's what Q promoted:
1. Liberals are pedophiles and cannibals, and they've taken control of our government which they called the deep state.
2. According to Q, who supposedly had extremely high-level government clearance, he was supposedly aware that Donald Trump would arrest all of the wicked Democrats and RINO's and ship all of them to Guantanamo Bay.
3. These supposed arrests and punishments would be called "The Storm".
Being susceptible to such nonsense is a very bad indication of their mental health! That's like Jim Jones level of paranoid insanity!
Carlos Watson interview of Fredrick Brennan, creator of 8chan:
Skittles
(153,147 posts)Last edited Sat Oct 16, 2021, 05:55 AM - Edit history (1)
so tired of being told I need to "understand" these stupid, hateful assholes
https://www.vox.com/2018/8/8/17657800/qanon-reddit-conspiracy-data
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,853 posts)I'm relieved that most of the followers were casual and inactive.
It's still depressing to me that anyone could even entertain such crazy stories!
The Republican party has participated in crazy conspiracy theories against liberals and Democrats since at least Senator McCarthy's "Red Scare" of the early 50's, but it seems worse than ever now.
Demovictory9
(32,447 posts)Roisin Ni Fiachra
(2,574 posts)People who buy into this monumental stupidity are so gullible and lacking in common sense that they are a palpable danger to themselves and others.
CrackityJones75
(2,403 posts)Abd yet We celebrate Christianity. The same thing.
I_UndergroundPanther
(12,463 posts)Have been infiltrating our government for too long. They are dangerous too.
Dont want fascism or a theocracy.
CrackityJones75
(2,403 posts)LOL!
DavidDvorkin
(19,473 posts)Once they've been around for a long time, they're seen as normal and acceptable. But the successful ones all start out as cults, no different from the Q insanity.
Ohio Joe
(21,748 posts)A "holistic health entrepreneur" fell down a well of bullshit... I'm shocked.