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wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
Sun Oct 17, 2021, 11:02 AM Oct 2021

Reminder: Manchin and Sinema are actively sabotaging Biden's agenda

So whenever we are discussing these two people, keep this context in mind whenever you start getting precious about "supporting Democrats."

They are not serving their constituents by tanking Biden's agenda. Build Back Better is hugely popular in West Virginia, and Sinema is all but disowned by the Arizona Democratic party.

I suggest these two be greenlit for maximum censure on this board, up to and including the word "DINO," until they stop sabotaging Biden's agenda.

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Reminder: Manchin and Sinema are actively sabotaging Biden's agenda (Original Post) wellst0nev0ter Oct 2021 OP
Too many crooks spoil the broth. dchill Oct 2021 #1
I'd love to see them censured to the hilt, but Dems won't even do that to GOP NullTuples Oct 2021 #2
According to "The Rules" FoxNewsSucks Oct 2021 #3
Maybe the rules need updating then SunImp Oct 2021 #10
Looks like someone found a cheap solution wellst0nev0ter Oct 2021 #4
wow Grasswire2 Oct 2021 #5
It's crass, it encourages bad-faith behavior wellst0nev0ter Oct 2021 #7
Please make this an OP. Grasswire2 Oct 2021 #6
Exactly wellst0nev0ter Oct 2021 #8
They're being paid extremely well to do it. ananda Oct 2021 #9
We need to pass the infrastructure bill, if we can get both ...great. But if we can only get Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #11
Last time we settled for crumbs, we were murdered in the midterms wellst0nev0ter Oct 2021 #12
This is great. None of the usual suspects have shown up wellst0nev0ter Oct 2021 #13

FoxNewsSucks

(10,428 posts)
3. According to "The Rules"
Sun Oct 17, 2021, 11:42 AM
Oct 2021

We are required to support them here. Apparently, even in their undermining of Biden. Amazing, isn't it. And it's not just Biden being undermined. Democracy and any possibility of Democratic control is at stake.

Some here take it further and insist we must "love" manchin.

 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
7. It's crass, it encourages bad-faith behavior
Sun Oct 17, 2021, 02:54 PM
Oct 2021

But at this point, we need to reward the grownups too with a robust, intact legislation, abd future generations can't afford the alternative. So we need to buy off the holdouts.

Grasswire2

(13,565 posts)
6. Please make this an OP.
Sun Oct 17, 2021, 01:49 PM
Oct 2021

Genius idea.

Buy them out.

What's it worth to save our earth for human habitation?

Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
11. We need to pass the infrastructure bill, if we can get both ...great. But if we can only get
Sun Oct 17, 2021, 03:17 PM
Oct 2021

infrastructure, we pass that and run on it and what is in the reconciliation bill to help win the midterms. Something is always better than nothing...we build on the infrastructure bill.

 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
12. Last time we settled for crumbs, we were murdered in the midterms
Sun Oct 17, 2021, 04:11 PM
Oct 2021

Remember the Obama stimulus bill in 2009 during the Great Recession?

We needed $2 trillion to recover the economy; we settled for $775 billion.

Economic recovery ended up being so slow that it cost Democrats the House in the following midterm.

We need $2 trillion just to fix the existing infrastructure. The bipartisan bill falls well short of that

What's most important is Democratic enthusiasm. If you kill legislation that is backed by the vast majority of the Democratic party, then you can kiss turnout and the 2022 midterms goodbye.

We cannot keep giving cover to bad actors who don't want Biden or Democrats to succeed. We need to squeeze them now. If they cost us politically in a material way, we need to crucify them.

 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
13. This is great. None of the usual suspects have shown up
Sun Oct 17, 2021, 08:15 PM
Oct 2021

They know the truth of what's going on, and they got nothing to say about it.

Absolutely no words to defend those two senators.

Amazing.

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