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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIt occurs to me that firing Vaccine refusers in the Military and Police
is a great way to thin out the right-wingers in both organizations. So, I'm in favor of doing just that.
"No Vaccine? You're Fired! Good luck in your future endeavors..."
Simple and clean. They're really removing themselves from those organizations, and that's a good thing all around
ecstatic
(32,566 posts)calimary
(80,693 posts)Way to weed em out!
OldBaldy1701E
(4,968 posts)bluestarone
(16,720 posts)I think it's REALLY DUMB on their part! #1. they could get very sick. #2. They let us good people know who they are!
grumpyduck
(6,198 posts)the organizations are serious, more will get the vaccine.
empedocles
(15,751 posts)Probatim
(2,457 posts)will double down on their intransigence, and die alone and penniless in an ICU ward.
Either way, it's a win for society.
calimary
(80,693 posts)And I've gotta say - I'm sorry it's come to that. I went to Catholic school, where we learned about A Guy who preached about loving your enemy. Loving ALL, whether they were with you or not. I wish I could be a better follower of That Guy, but I'm stalled at that part.
bedazzled
(1,727 posts)You get credit for trying i guess
Phoenix61
(16,952 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Herd immunity from bullies in uniform.
Runningdawg
(4,494 posts)OK would love to have them - they are experiencing a massive die-off of cops, firemen, 911 dispatchers and paramedics from covid.
greenman3610
(3,947 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)would be leaving children and others who need them behind. Their comfort with their chances has also, of course, enabled them to use the pandemic to indulge factional hostlity. Still, some small towns will need to advertise for skilled replacements here and there.
Runningdawg
(4,494 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)All places these days best to drive carefully, and if pulled over hide your copy of Jacobin under the seat.
Haggard Celine
(16,820 posts)Funny, and so true!
LiberatedUSA
(1,666 posts)
why a gun ban would not work in red states. The local cops wont hand over their own AR-15s and they wont arrest the guys they drink, hunt and shoot with for refusing to hand over their own bought and paid for property (AR-15s).
Of course we make fun of them, but all the rampage looting and burning happened in the cities. It never happens in little redneck towns. Maybe being out of the way of the city and armed to the teeth has its perks. Aint nobody gonna march down Cornfield Towns Main Street and set a fire, cause they know how the locals will react.
mrsadm
(1,198 posts)ramen
(783 posts)and need fewer, not more. This rural area does, anyway.
FakeNoose
(32,345 posts)During the summer many companies were giving employees time off to get vaccinated. Then they gave employees a deadline - you must be vaccinated by THIS date. After that, you're gone!
The shocker is when you realize these people would rather lose their jobs than be vaccinated. They won't get hired somewhere else either. I'm sure from now on, every company will require new applicants to be vaccinated before they even apply for a job.
hurple
(1,304 posts)They'll blame Biden, go all anti-government and join the oath Keepers.
There is no good answer here.
MineralMan
(146,192 posts)them as active law-enforcement personnel. I'll settle for that right now.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Unfortunately, I expect the vast majority of those radicalized against society to get vaccinated by the deadlines, potentially dangerous but not so crazy as to become mall guards for the cause. Otoh, where salaries are low and support for idiocy high...
hadEnuf
(2,150 posts)begging for a year ago, but is now evil because Biden, then they already are radicalized anti-government lunatics.
druidity33
(6,435 posts)plus they are heavily armed, trained, and have friends on the force. This is a bad situation all around... really with no good options.
Dorian Gray
(13,469 posts)willing to lose their job over the vaccine mandate, they're already radicalized.
kimbutgar
(20,876 posts)Who pulls you over can give you covid!
Get vaxxed or quit.
MineralMan
(146,192 posts)Along with the public.
malaise
(267,808 posts)As an aside did you know that the Slobfather tried to trademark ''You're fired''?
MineralMan
(146,192 posts)ShazzieB
(15,952 posts)Response to ShazzieB (Reply #36)
malaise This message was self-deleted by its author.
Response to MineralMan (Original post)
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Whiskeytide
(4,459 posts)
Teachers that dont believe in science;
Medical staff that doesnt believe in medicine;
Police officers that dont believe in public safety;
and Military personnel that dont respect the chain of command. Theres a problem here?
(Credit: I stole most of this from a meme or post here a week or so ago)
MineralMan
(146,192 posts)DENVERPOPS
(8,678 posts)even think about a career in Teaching, Medicine, Police, if I were young again at this time in history.......
I can't imagine only teaching what politicians have decided you have to teach, practicing medicine that has become
practicing Corporate Insurance Policies vs Scientifically founded Medicine, or being a good cop, surrounded by the racist crowd of officers that surrounds you daily......
IronLionZion
(45,256 posts)who would hopefully be good and have the right values
Ligyron
(7,592 posts)Out with the bad, in with the good
Mr.Bill
(24,103 posts)that are telling them they will all be very rich after the lawsuits they will file for being terminated.
And I think they are very wrong.
Ford_Prefect
(7,817 posts)become ill themselves and infect fellow serving troops, thus compromising readiness and security?
Tennessee Hillbilly
(575 posts)A similar benefit might also apply to big corporations that implement vaccine mandates, because the employees who refuse to comply are likely to be among the worst in the company, at least in terms of their attitude toward their jobs.
ancianita
(35,812 posts)patphil
(6,029 posts)Ferrets are Cool
(21,059 posts)LiberalFighter
(50,496 posts)And using the database to determine eligibility for federal funds.
greenman3610
(3,947 posts)White supremacist especially in military or police context
jaxexpat
(6,702 posts)I'm betting Trump's fantasy military forces' uniforms have robes with matching hoods. Designed exclusively, by Ivanka, for the chic and discerning crowd control specialist.
DENVERPOPS
(8,678 posts)the "ok" hand movement they use. I spotted that cute little trick a month before the dems and press caught it......
Trump used it every time he was speaking to the press or at a public speaking venue.......
Bluesaph
(694 posts)More jobs for the smart people!
Guy I said it to had no response.
flying_wahini
(6,527 posts)no other hospitals will hire them without a vaccine. Hardee har har!
Scruffy1
(3,239 posts)As per usual you are completely right.
jaxexpat
(6,702 posts)Americans have been doing a lot of things they didn't necessarily want to do in order to keep their jobs for forever. How much effort is a little investment in enlightenment gonna cost, anyhow? How valuable is pride in one's misguidedness after all?
The Magistrate
(95,237 posts)We're being threatened with a good time....
gibraltar72
(7,486 posts)to buy something I posted on line, who told me he was waiting to get fired from govt. job cause he was not getting vaccinated. He then told me he would be reinstated and paid when there was a new administration.
Joinfortmill
(14,238 posts)ShazzieB
(15,952 posts)I suppose he's one of those who believes that any day now, the election is going to be overturned and the Slobfather will be "reinstated."
The level of stupid with some of these people is truly epic!
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)potential dangers to society will choose this path to new careers as security alarm monitoring clerks.
Captain Zero
(6,714 posts)Where have I heard that word before. 😂
Joinfortmill
(14,238 posts)DinahMoeHum
(21,737 posts). . .'cause G*d only knows some of them will cross the line and do criminal shit.
spanone
(135,633 posts)Mad_Machine76
(24,355 posts)when the trash takes itself out.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)ProfessorGAC
(64,417 posts)The Rs should love that!
We spend too much on defense & policing.
I'll take the cost savings, while thinning out the radicals.
BobTheSubgenius
(11,535 posts)He was career Navy. Once, while on leave, he got terribly sunburned. He was threatened with disciplinary action for voluntarily making himself unfit for duty.
I'd be all over that decision for these idiots.
Rebl2
(13,303 posts)like to see military members who refuse the vaccine be dishonorably discharged.
Xolodno
(6,330 posts)With that said, natural selection in my view is God's way of saying, yeah, you're done here. Religious or not, the end result is the same.
But also think it will be temporary. Once they burn through their savings, 401k loans, etc. They will be in a world of hurt and get the vaccine. Probably think they can "ride it out" and never have to get it. Joke is on them, it will eventually most likely be part of our annual flu shot.
BComplex
(7,982 posts)NoNobigwick
(13 posts)Good riddance.
Chakaconcarne
(2,387 posts)WestMichRad
(1,280 posts)it will inevitably deepen the divide in our society, and for that I cant envision a happy ending.
MineralMan
(146,192 posts)We need to take control of it. We are the majority. They are not.
mrsadm
(1,198 posts)They have to be fired for public health reasons, and for keeping both forces strong and able to perform their jobs.
MineralMan
(146,192 posts)nilram
(2,879 posts)MineralMan
(146,192 posts)lpbk2713
(42,696 posts)I hope the idea catches on.
Sogo
(4,963 posts)TomSlick
(11,033 posts)The military simply cannot tolerate willful disobedience of lawful orders. A service member who would refuse a lawful order to get a shot cannot be trusted to obey an order when lives are at stake.
Any service member who refuses to be vaccinated should be charged with disobedience and given the option of an other than honorable discharge or a court-martial.
dlk
(11,433 posts)Knicks007
(73 posts)A very thoughtful observation. Good work.
King_Klonopin
(1,305 posts)I am beginning to see the long-game strategy for the Republicans -- a strategy which is, of course,
is cynical and despicable.
They are planning to die on the hill of "anti-vax" lunacy, no matter the human cost.
Follow the steps using the example of police and military mandates:
1) Based purely on political doctrine (brainwashing), many people will refuse to be vaccinated.
2) Reasonable, responsible people (like Biden) and state governments (i.e. NOT Texas, Florida, etc.)
will be forced to mandate vaccinations because COVID is a public health emergency that effects everyone,
and it is a drag on every aspect of our society.
3) Given the choice of compliance or expulsion, these anti-vax cement-heads will choose expulsion.
4) They will portray themselves as being victims of "the gubmint", rather than as volunteers for stupidity.
5) The RW liars will spin it as: "Joe Biden is forcing people out of police and military service (victims),
which leaves the country vulnerable and unprotected (always go for the fear and paranoia angle)"
They will blame struggling local economies, unemployment numbers, school closings, and anything else they
can think of, on vaccine mandates. Meanwhile, no one is paying attention to their campaign against voting rights.
RANDYWILDMAN
(2,644 posts)then you don't belong in those jobs anyways, because clearly your judgement is suspect.
Good bye
pfitz59
(10,197 posts)The military and cops need pruning..
DemocraticPatriot
(4,170 posts)Sounds like a good plan to me.
gordianot
(15,226 posts)Then sharing it anywhere on the web.
lambchopp59
(2,809 posts)All chip in to send them cartons of cigarettes.
samsingh
(17,571 posts)Roisin Ni Fiachra
(2,574 posts)Top to bottom, I want responsible, capable folks in charge of my health care services, never ignorant TFG loving Qnut RW fools.
lark
(23,003 posts)We NEED to purge the right wingers from positions where they interact with the public and these asses are clearly not caring one bit if they kill folks by Covid. Despite potential issues, I agree that this is a very necessary step.
I do have concerns about an unemployed right wing force of middle aged crazy men, but hopefully this won't metastasize into something bigger and more violent. Hopefully they have enough concern for their families that they will take other jobs and not spend all their time training for 2024. I'd be a lot more concerned if this were happening in 2023, though. Two years is a long time.
Elessar Zappa
(13,649 posts)They can train all they want.
lark
(23,003 posts)olegramps
(8,200 posts)SayitAintSo
(2,207 posts)MineralMan
(146,192 posts)I mean, I don't know you here on DU, so I have no idea what leads you to that conclusion. What about my post is ridiculous? Why do you think it's cynical?
The reality of it is that almost all vaccine refusers in the military and law enforcement are right wingers. It happens, then, that if they do not get vaccinated, they could be fired. That would remove a good number of right-wingers from their positions in law enforcement and the military.
I see that as a good result, as I said in my post.
So, you disagree, but your curt message has no information in it other than your disagreement. Please elaborate.
Texin
(2,585 posts)MineralMan
(146,192 posts)At least not for me.
AllaN01Bear
(17,365 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)Especially those claiming religious reasons.
AZLD4Candidate
(5,558 posts)fight for their officers. They are there to shield bad officers and work as a political lobbying group at the detriment of those in the community they are swore to serve and protect.
ismnotwasm
(41,919 posts)Weeds out people who cant or wont follow orders in a clear chain of command. Weeds out people who have politicized public health and safety. Weeds out absolute dumbasses.