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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsNYS Party Chair pressed to resign after not endorsing D candidate for Buffalo Mayor
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(D nominee India Walton is a Democratic Socialist who's being supported by Nina Turner and Our Revolution. Byron Brown, the Democratic incumbent, is running a write-in campaign)
(This also raises a different issue: who controls the NYS Democratic Committee. It was clearly understood to be under the thumb of Cuomo, but there's little organizational management left in his absence)
msongs
(67,193 posts)brooklynite
(93,836 posts)Polybius
(15,235 posts)His first term was flat-out amazing. His second and third, not so much.
Budi
(15,325 posts)As a write in, that would be Brown.
The constituents have spoken.
Brown has always been a Dem. Not a fringe Party that just stuck the D behind their name for position.
I personally am in complete agreement with NYS Democratic Party Chairman Jay Jacobs.
Support the loyal longterm Democrats of the Party.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,145 posts)Budi
(15,325 posts)Maybe Nina Turner should have stayed tf out of this one.
"D nominee India Walton is a Democratic Socialist who's being supported by Nina Turner and Our Revolution. "
NYS Democratic Party is honestly expected to support the candidate who's endorsed by the person who dance across the stage calling Our Democratic President Joe Biden a "Bowl Of Shit." The person who has led a 5 year Media campaign of demoralizing & denigrating every Democratic leader, past & present, like a personal fanatical grudge match.
FUCK THAT!
NYS Dem Party leader Jay Jacobs is exactly right.
@DNC, if this is who we think is best fit to represent New Yorks Democratic Party, we are in serious trouble.
Gtfoutta here Nina Turner.
dsc
(52,129 posts)If so, then yes, the party chair should support the winner. Elections matter, even when we don't like the results of them.
Budi
(15,325 posts)"Endorsed by Nina Turner" should be enough reason alone.
State Dem Party Chairs are there to protect the integrity of & the platform of the Democratic Party.
President Biden is not a "Bowl of Shit" & VP Harris is not merely "a seat filler".
(Nina Turner quotes)
Oh ya, & Nina's pal Killer Mike sat next to her calling Rep Clyburn "stupid", & Turner nodded her head.
So fk this. NYS Dem Chair is doing what his position calls upon him to do.
Protect the Dem Party, it's leaders & it's platform.
Nina should have stayed out of this one.
dsc
(52,129 posts)but the people of Buffalo voted, and assuming it was a fair vote it should be respected.
Hey, some here think we should just split the votes in a general election and let a Republican win. Isn't that what we are trying to avoid?
lapucelle
(18,037 posts)Budi
(15,325 posts)Last edited Mon Oct 18, 2021, 09:37 PM - Edit history (1)
https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/buffalo/news/2021/09/21/mayor-byron-brown-will-not-appeal-court-ruling-on-ballotSNIP
"Incumbent Buffalo Mayor Byron Brown will not appeal last weeks appellate court ruling and will instead continue to focus on his write-in campaign.
That means Brown will not be on the ballot in the Buffalo mayoral race.
Democratic primary winner India Walton is the only name that will appear.
Appeals courts at the state and federal level reversed lower court decisions that would have put Browns name on the ballot as well.
"We are not going to appeal the appellate court ruling, we could, but military ballots have already gone out, we don't want to interrupt that process," Brown said.
Election Day is November 2."
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I had read a brief piece awhile back of a controversy with that primary election.
Think it had something to do with the lower court but I honestly don't recall the details.
Brown could have contested due to a court revision, to have his name also on the ballot as a Dem, but chose to run as an Indy since the voting process was already in play.
I recent polling of Dems he led by 59% to 26%.
So that's all I have on this issue.
AZProgressive
(29,322 posts)The incumbent sounds like a sore primary loser.
Budi
(15,325 posts)He has every right to run & the actual sorest loser of them all is Nina Turner.
Kiss of death endorsement.
NYS Party Chair has every right to protect the Dem platform & too bad iif they don't like it.
It's his duty as NYS Democratic Chair.
The controversy & bad timing with the 2 opposing court rulings caused this shitshow.
His polling #'s are double to hers.
NYS Party Chair should endoese the Candidate that best reoresents the party platform & that is longtime Democrat Byron Brown.
He can change his Party affiliation back to Dem when he's elected.
He won't be the 1st to do so. ~
Its not fear of Nina & KM, its their vulger degrading refs to our Dem leaders.
AZProgressive
(29,322 posts)I want to improve the Democratic Party and what I do is vote for progressives in the primary. I see India Walton as an improvement over Brown and I think Dem Socs make the party better. She is no Manchin or Sinema.
BTW I would be thrilled to have Nina Turner as a rep. Aside from her politics she has a lot of positive energy.
Budi
(15,325 posts)Checking when Nina apologized for calling our Dem President a 'Bowl of Shit".....Never.
Nothing's too demoralizing for Nina.
Nina's endorsement is the point where I agreed with NYS Party Chair.
Honor our Dem Platform & all we've represented thru history.
Nina can yell vulgar insults all she wants.
Our Dem Party owes her nothing.
AZProgressive
(29,322 posts)Im a registered Democrat and I want to see the Party do better.
Dem Socialists work within the Democratic Party. You must be thinking of the Peoples Party which despises Democrats including the Dem Socialists. AOC is their most hated politician. I believe in working within the Democratic Party to improve society.
Budi
(15,325 posts)Nina endorsed Walton. Walton accepted it.
People's Party Is/Was Turner's Party till she became an instant Dem again to run in OH-11.
No loyalty there at all. Nothing but an Opportunity.
She should have stayed out of this particular race.
Oh ya, positive energy Nina, Do you agree with Turner that Biden is a "Bowl of Shit. "?
She drew that divisive line. Not the Democratic Party.
AZProgressive
(29,322 posts)I was very unimpressed with Bidens record as a Senator with things like the bankruptcy bill (I remember my mom waiting in long lines to file bankruptcy before the deadline of the changes). I wasnt looking forward to voting for Biden but I didnt have a choice because of Trump. The Dem Party wasnt impressed with Biden either as they wanted to replace him with Cuomo who was doing good in press conferences.
I will say Biden has exceeded my expectations and am glad he isnt making the same mistakes as Obama.
Budi
(15,325 posts)Got it!
Figures
AZProgressive
(29,322 posts)I just understand her comment because Biden wasnt my first choice but she shouldnt have said that considering that is the 1 thing voters hold over Nina. I more or less forgive her for it but I dont think it was acceptable. She should have been more clear rather than using that analogy.
AZProgressive
(29,322 posts)Democratic Boss Uses David Duke in Analogy About India Walton
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/10/jay-jacobs-uses-david-duke-in-india-walton-analogy.html
Link to tweet
Budi
(15,325 posts)...and then agreeing when Killer Mike sat next to her calling Rep Clyborn 'stupid'.
Who the fk is Nina Turner anyway.
She's run a 5 yr media hatefest against the Dem Party & its leaders. Anyone accepting an endorsement from her vulgar divisive mouth agrees to wear that stench of hate towards the Dem Party they now demand an endorsement from.
Anyone can stick a D after their name at the drop of a dime.
What you stand for within that D Party Platform is where loyalty lies true.
Nina Turner herself, caused this problem.
She should have kept her public endorsement out of this partucular race.
Demsrule86
(68,347 posts)her an improvement...I happily voted for Shontel...she was the a Democrat unlike Nina who is the founder and a member of the People's Party.
AZProgressive
(29,322 posts)Nina Turner did have a short association with them and didnt go along when they were bashing The Squad. Nina Turner and The Squad are very different than the Peoples Party.
Budi
(15,325 posts)She headlined the Peoples Convention.
There's not a damned thing to be said about her that'll excuse her 5 year campaign, vulgar & critical of every Dem, past & present & the Democratic Party itself.
Nothing can be said to soften the sharp edges of her own grudging words against the Party she publicly slanders every chance she gets.
It is notably odd that she stays quite silent when it comes to Republicans.
NYS Dem Party Chair called it & if anyone is to blame for that call, it is Nina Turner injecting herself into Walton's campaign.
jalan48
(13,797 posts)Budi
(15,325 posts)AZProgressive
(29,322 posts)Dont like Bryon Browns Socialist fear mongering(he sounds like a Republican when he does it) The fact she is endorsed by Nina Turner is a positive for me despite the fact she drives some here crazy.
AZProgressive
(29,322 posts)I hope she wins.
brooklynite
(93,836 posts)AZProgressive
(29,322 posts)I agreed to split it with Bernie. I also split a donation with Bernie & Warnock when he asked in an email for the runoff.
Decoy of Fenris
(1,954 posts)He didn't feel it was important enough, and that he was entitled to the role. This isn't news; There were articles posted about it here a few months ago, along with companion articles that demonstrated Brown's inability to govern. I'm sure someone will try to ding me for "Not supporting Democrats", but since he's no longer a Dem while running as a write-in spoiler Indy, I'd say he's fair game.
It's not all that hard for this Chairman to understand not to support spoiler candidates... right? At least, given his job, you'd think he'd have no trouble understanding how to support the party you serve in a legal and fair election.
Budi
(15,325 posts)But coming from the Nina Turner, "Biden's a Bowl of Shit" direction, I expect no link exists.
Odd because as a write-in, Byron is polling 59% to Walton's 26%.
Not everyone apparantly heard of this latest "theory."
Decoy of Fenris
(1,954 posts)My bad, he didn't fail just once, he did so twice.
He outright lost the primary in a head to head fight despite a war chest twice as big as Waltons, then couldn't squeak out the Independent deadline, I think. I knew there was something sheisty going on about it though. Not only is he a sore loser, he's a loser that can't even do "Independent" right, let alone Democrat. Good riddance to bad Naderite rubbish. The party's better off without him.
Budi
(15,325 posts)SNIP
"Incumbent Buffalo Mayor Byron Brown will not appeal last weeks appellate court ruling and will instead continue to focus on his write-in campaign.
That means Brown will not be on the ballot in the Buffalo mayoral race.
Democratic primary winner India Walton is the only name that will appear.
Appeals courts at the state and federal level reversed lower court decisions that would have put Browns name on the ballot as well.
"We are not going to appeal the appellate court ruling, we could, but military ballots have already gone out, we don't want to interrupt that process," Brown said.
Election Day is November 2."
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I had read a brief piece awhile back of a controversy with that primary election.
Think it had something to do with the lower court but I honestly don't recall the details.
Brown could have contested due to a court revision, to have his name also on the ballot as a Dem, but chose to run as an Indy since the voting process was already in play.
Decoy of Fenris
(1,954 posts)No more to it than that; He's not a Dem, pure and simple. He's nothing but a vote-splitting Indy.
Budi
(15,325 posts)Guess he learned that from "somebody else's" playbook.
Hmm...lets see, who does that remind us of....
rofl... how does it feel? Tell us, please.
btw He's been a Dem longer than Walton.
Decoy of Fenris
(1,954 posts)I can't think of a single candidate I'd support doing that with, personally; If I saw a failure of a candidate ACTIVELY RUN AGAINST A DEM as an Independent Write In, after trying and failing to start his own political party (Buffalo Party), I'd laugh at them and throw my full weight to the Dem candidate.
Shouldn't be so controversial, since the guy's not running as a Dem, lost the Dem primary, refused to debate in said primary, therefore he's not a Democrat. What -should- be controversial is this Independent candidate getting a lot of Republican business backing, as well as being propped up by Trump-installed judges. That particular Independent is a Republican in all but name, it seems.
Apparently the Independent has the support of the Right Wing, including some known right-wing extremists.
https://www.wgrz.com/article/news/local/republican-support-for-mayor-byron-browns-buffalo-party/71-b62fefbd-8ee3-4fe1-ab05-0a5cf4ba915a
Budi
(15,325 posts)Seems how it's done. Like a playbook to run as a Dem without ever really being or supporting any Dem, or even knowing a thing about the Dem Platform.
I mean someine could be a declared communist or have a foreign attachment to a Communist Party, or have traveled to Russia right before a major election campaign begins, or supported Communist regimes, & suddenly stop by the Dem Party to sign on as a Democrat & run against one of their longtime Dem Candidates just to muck things up.
I mean it is lucrative to latch onto the D label. Fundraising, Name recognition, Voter Data, ..man the Dem Party really should set a minimum requirement to run as a Dem considering the access to all those benes.
Yup. Think its long past time for Dems to set a requirement to access all the benes offered on that D label come election time.
They should have at least done it about 6 years ago.
Well. Night!
Decoy of Fenris
(1,954 posts)LiberalFighter
(50,477 posts)LiberalFighter
(50,477 posts)Celerity
(42,636 posts)https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/new-york-democratic-leader-apologizes-after-comparing-buffalo-mayoral-nominee-india-walton-to-former-kkk-leader-david-duke/2021/10/18/95f176f2-305f-11ec-9241-aad8e48f01ff_story.html
The chair of the New York State Democratic Party apologized Monday after comparing Buffalo mayoral nominee India Walton, a Black woman, to former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke. The party chair, Jay Jacobs, made the comparison in an interview with Spectrum News. He doubled down in a defiant statement issued through the state party before eventually issuing an apology amid criticism from other Democrats, including some calls to resign. Walton, a self-identified socialist, won the Democratic nomination for Buffalo mayor in June, in a victory over four-term incumbent Byron Brown.
Brown has since launched a write-in campaign, and several top New York Democrats, including Jacobs and Gov. Kathy Hochul, have so far declined to endorse a candidate in the race. In the interview with Spectrum News, Jacobs was asked what type of precedent it sets if he and other leading Democrats refrain from endorsing Walton, the winner of the primary. Jacobs responded that it is not necessary for state party chairs to endorse the primary winner, citing the white supremacist Duke as an example.
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Jacobss remarks prompted a wave of criticism from Democratic elected officials.
The statement was totally unacceptable and the analogy used was outrageous and beyond absurd, Senate Majority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) said in a statement.
New York Assembly member Yuh-Line Niou (D) called Jacobss remarks embarrassing for our party. Rep. Jamaal Bowman (D-N.Y.) and state Sen. Alessandra Biaggi (D) called on Jacobs to resign. Its insane to equate India Walton, a Black woman, with David Duke, someone who supports the legacy of lynching Black people and the rape of Black women, Bowman said in a statement. This is the malignant narcissism of far too many white men. Jay Jacobs needs to resign or be removed.
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Hav
(5,969 posts)That's saying something.
Someone mentioned that there's no Repub running, so it's not a potential spoiler situation. Therefore, good luck with the write-in campaign and let the people vote. Nothing wrong with that, right?
Also, while I believe the chosen example was just bad, he said "Let's take a scenario, very different" and "Now of course, India Walton is not in the same category"
Again, it was a very poor and dumb way to make a point, but the argument was meant to be against an automatic endorsement and not about equating endorsing Walton with endorsing Duke.