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MineralMan

(146,255 posts)
Fri Oct 22, 2021, 10:19 AM Oct 2021

The Real Estate Booming Seller's Market Is Not Universal

I have learned that recently, from personal experience. After buying our new place at the end of June at a premium over the asking price, we put our previous home on the market, expecting an immediate sale. I went with our realtor's pricing suggestion, with a price that was well below the median sales price in our city. She said that the market would probably result in a fast offer over the asking price. I was skeptical, but went with her price suggestion. We installed a new roof, had the entire interior of the house painted, and replaced some older appliances, after 17 years of living there.

Three months later, we finally got an offer yesterday, and it was below the asking price. We have accepted it.

Here's the thing: Not every home in every neighborhood is going to be a hot seller. While it is true that there are more potential buyers than there are available properties, location still matters. If your house for sale is not in a particularly desirable neighborhood, it might not get exited buyers bidding against each other for the opportunity to pay too much for your house.

As I said, I was skeptical of my realtor's suggested offering price. I had a number in my head for what I thought the house would sell for. As it turned out, my mental price was within $5000 of the only offer it received in three months. I analyzed the salability based on living in that house on that block and on that particular street. Turns out I was almost exactly right.

All of which goes to demonstrate that realtors don't always know exactly what they're doing. Not every house will be part of the scramble by competing buyers to bid the price up. I should have listened to my instinct and said no to the realtor with the high expectations.

Home prices vary widely, even within a particular market. Houses in the Twin Cities of MN sell for less than houses in California, and for more than houses in Missouri. Setting an asking price has to take into consideration even local and even neighborhood conditions. Eventually, just about any house will sell, but only at the right price. Overestimating a home's value will do nothing but slow down the process.

All of which means that if you're a prospective buyer, you shouldn't be scared off by price trends. Set a price you can pay and keep looking. Don't overpay for a house when one you can afford might be for sale just a couple of blocks away. There are micro-markets within every market area.

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agingdem

(7,805 posts)
1. Good advice...
Fri Oct 22, 2021, 10:45 AM
Oct 2021

I am planning to move to Atlanta to be near my daughter...I want to size down from a large house to a townhouse..I understand big city homes cost more but double their value is not just ridiculous but insane...the real estate agent said that my home in Atlanta would be double its value so it would be an even sale...that may be but I'm listing it in El Paso not in Atlanta and yes I could get top dollar for it but that would in no way justify paying close to what they're asking in Atlanta...my agent warned me that my house could go down in value if I waited..I told her I'm not putting my house on the market until I have a place to move into..that's a chance I'm more than willing to take...so for now I'll stay put and keep looking...

MineralMan

(146,255 posts)
5. It's a tough decision, isn't it?
Fri Oct 22, 2021, 12:47 PM
Oct 2021

We lived in the previous house for 17 years. I knew it was going to be a little harder to sell than a nice, newer house in suburbia, but that was OK. We knew where it was when we bought it back in 2004. Fortunately, we were able to buy our new townhome with cash, so there was no rush on the old place. The realtor was too optimistic in her pricing. Had we priced it for what it sold for, it would have sold the first weekend. I should have insisted, I guess.

agingdem

(7,805 posts)
7. yes it is...
Fri Oct 22, 2021, 01:20 PM
Oct 2021

I've lived in my house for 42 years...we did a major remodel 6 years ago and then my husband died (please don't say you're sorry...you didn't kill him..a brain aneuyrsm did)...so here I am existing but not really living in the house I shared with my husband for most of my adult life... I could pay cash for a home in Atlanta but I would rather finance and get the tax breaks and leads me to pre-approval...redefines Hell...now I see why older people like me opt to stay (and die) in their dilapidated houses... financial disclosure documents/signatures via the internet and Zoom..I feel violated...so here I am waiting for the two married Atlanta doctors to get tired of making two mortgage payments and get reasonable...until that happens I'll fly back and forth to Atlanta looking at a multitude of homes with purple walls and bathtubs in showers...

MineralMan

(146,255 posts)
8. Yeah, I get it. I'm 76 years old.
Fri Oct 22, 2021, 01:30 PM
Oct 2021

Moving and buying and selling is stressful. My wife is 11 years younger. We had a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to buy a new place with cash and not have to sell the old place to buy it. So, we made the decision to downsize and move while we had that opportunity.

Was it stressful? Oh, yes...terribly. Once the former house sale closes, we'll be back to even, more or less, but without a mortgage any longer, which was the goal. We also moved into a townhome, so lawn care and snow removal are no longer my responsibility.

The benefits outweighed the stress.

agingdem

(7,805 posts)
13. Like you, I've had it with home and yard maintenance
Fri Oct 22, 2021, 02:19 PM
Oct 2021

and schlepping the garbage can to the curb and praying those 50 mile an hour winds don't sweep in until after garbage pick-up...as for a mortgage...my house has been mortgage free for decades and when and if I buy again I'm leaving my home to my kids..and I have no problem with them wrestling with the sale..my husband and I put them thru college and law school and helped finance their homes...this ain't gonna kill them...it's kind of like all those pre-recorded phone calls pitching burial plans...the hook is "you don't want your children burdened with undue decision-making stress in their time of grief"..and all I can think is...like hell I don't!

MineralMan

(146,255 posts)
6. Well, a seller's agent is always going to try to get the maximum
Fri Oct 22, 2021, 12:50 PM
Oct 2021

for the client's property. However, being realistic is also a good idea, because nobody wants slow-moving house that lingers on the market. So, listing agents often overestimate the value when talking to the client. I should have listened to myself, I think. I can look at comps, too, and did. But, the realtor kept showing me comps that were nearby, but not in that specific neighborhood.

Since there was no rush, I let her set an asking price. In retrospect, I should have gone with my own price analysis.

lindysalsagal

(20,582 posts)
3. Whenever I buy a house I'm thinking re-sale. My last one sold for cash on day 1
Fri Oct 22, 2021, 11:29 AM
Oct 2021

before the sign went up. But that's a fluke: They wanted an antique house in my town. Luckily, I didn't have to do the nit-picking crap you always get with an old (80) house. That did worry me, but it turned out to be a good bet.

Now, I'm renting. Happy as a clam!!!!!!!! No worries at all!! Yippee!!!

drexelkathy

(118 posts)
4. We won't even list our home.
Fri Oct 22, 2021, 11:34 AM
Oct 2021

We have wanted to move for several years now, but the price of homes where we want to move is insane.

Even with the hot market, and the fact that we could likely get a quality offer on our home because it is in a desirable school district, etc...we refuse to sell.

I don't want to wind up in a house that I overpay for. So we will wait for the market to settle down in our region and the region where we want to move.

It has already started to some...so patience is paying off.

themaguffin

(3,820 posts)
9. Where I live and in many others places where I know people, it's the same thing right now.
Fri Oct 22, 2021, 01:32 PM
Oct 2021

I understand your point and surely there are places where it applies, but it rough for buyers in many places.

MineralMan

(146,255 posts)
10. Yes. We ended up paying $15K over asking price
Fri Oct 22, 2021, 01:41 PM
Oct 2021

for our new place. We saw what what happening where we bought, and had set a maximum price. When we found an ideal place for our needs, we bid our maximum in our offer and gave a 24-hour time limit on acceptance to the seller. That worked. We got a new place, even though we paid more than was being asked. That's what was going on right then, though, where we bought, so we did that.

Our previous house, though, is not an ideal house, nor is it in an ideal neighborhood. There are no bidding wars for houses like it in that neighborhood. So, we took an offer lower than the asking price, after three months on the market with no offers.

Real estate is complicated. However, if you stay flexible, you should be able to find a place for what you want to pay. You might have to compromise in one way or another, but that's how life is sometimes.

MineralMan

(146,255 posts)
12. Yeah...it's costlier now to move than it was then.
Fri Oct 22, 2021, 01:51 PM
Oct 2021

However, it's the actual process that is the real stressor, I think. Moving is a very difficult thing, no matter when you do it. The financial part is the smallest of the stresses, it seems to me.

I've never lost money on a real estate purchase. I've not made as much as I hoped, though, a couple of times. If you buy and stay for years, you're going to get more than you paid, as long as you don't have to sell under duress.

jcgoldie

(11,612 posts)
14. realtors
Fri Oct 22, 2021, 02:26 PM
Oct 2021

Requires a HS diploma and take a test sometimes a couple of classes that can be done over weekends... not saying some aren't very good at what they do but it isn't rocket science...

GoodRaisin

(8,908 posts)
15. I think my former next door neighbor is sadly learning that lesson.
Fri Oct 22, 2021, 02:37 PM
Oct 2021

Our area’s real estate market was red hot, and, with dollar signs in his eyes, he flew into a rush to get his house on the market and make a lot of easy money quickly. Now, over two months after he moved everything out and listed his house, it remains apparently way overpriced and on the market. Clearly, there is a micro-market at play in this particular case and the competition within his micro-market still matters.

MineralMan

(146,255 posts)
16. I'm not surprised.
Fri Oct 22, 2021, 02:40 PM
Oct 2021

Any house is worth only what someone is willing to pay for it. Guessing how much that will be is difficult. Even the "experts" don't know.

GoodRaisin

(8,908 posts)
17. Agree, but when the house actually goes on the market and you start to
Fri Oct 22, 2021, 03:08 PM
Oct 2021

watch other listings go up as well is when you can realize that you’ve priced too high. In this case we are talking $400k+ listings in a town that’s about $250k median price. So, $400k can buy a lot of house and location in our town. It seems like every week another 2-3 listings in that +400k range are added that clearly look to be much better deals than his house, and I think that’s the micro-market he’s gotten caught up in, even though he had a comp sale to go by when he priced his house.

Pricing a house is a tricky thing, and I think one of the biggest dangers is to be in a hot market and rely on a comp sale that may be an outlier, which I think is what has happened in his case. Also, the fact that the median price in our own subdivision is about $250K probably isn’t helping him. It can be a convergence of factors at play.

Jimbo S

(2,958 posts)
18. Freak-o-nomics
Fri Oct 22, 2021, 03:22 PM
Oct 2021

addressed it in one the books. Economics is really a study of incentives.

A seller's agent only gets 3%, so a smaller incentive to hold out for a few more dollars. If the owner's wants to hold out for an extra $10K, the agent will only get $300. The agent wants to move the property ASAP.

peggysue2

(10,823 posts)
19. We hit the tail end of the bidders' frenzy in our neighborhood outside Knoxville, TN
Fri Oct 22, 2021, 04:14 PM
Oct 2021

We had two deals fall through; the third was the winner (the buyers actually eyeballed the property and qualified for the financing). We ended up getting our asking price which was set higher than I ever expected. Our realtor hit the number on the mark; we were lucky in that regard.

We're now at the other end searching for a new home. We have the advantage of living in my MIL's former home which she left to my husband 4 years ago. Means we don't have to jump at a property if it doesn't have what we're looking for or is outside our comfort-zone price wise. But also means the choices are limited in a pre-holiday environment.

So, if we have to stay here until after the holidays or early spring? So be it.

This was a huge move for us, 700 miles north. Told my kids if we hadn't been successful selling the property this time, we were probably trapped in TN for good. Just too physically and emotionally demanding for a couple of oldsters. Packing up a 4-bedroom colonial with 23-years of accumulated 'stuff' was exhausting.

But we're here now and I got to hold my grand baby for the first time. Somethings are worth the ultimate effort.



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